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Pygrus

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Oct 27, 2017
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You are allowed to post your opinion. The problem is that it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Except my first post in the thread was saying that it sucks that sony is doing this and that microsoft would do the same. Then people quote me thinking i'm a fanboy, so i guess they were derailing the thread?
 

danm999

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Oct 29, 2017
17,096
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I'm allowed to post my opinion. Just because Microsoft is out there playing the good guy card because they can. I wouldn't think of Microsoft as looking out for consumer interests, just like Sony isn't either. Welcome to big corporations dude.

When you bring up hypothetical scenarios that aren't happening, it makes it clear you aren't actually interested in consumer advocacy, but defending a company you think is your friend.

We all understand how corporations works. You hammer all of them all the time when they do something anti-consumer.

Imagine Microsoft doing something anti-consumer and people shitting up the thread with allegations against Sony hypothetically doing something anti-consumer.
 

esseesse

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Oct 27, 2017
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Except my first post in the thread was saying that it sucks that sony is doing this and that microsoft would do the same. Then people quote me thinking i'm a fanboy, so i guess they were derailing the thread?

This thread is not about Microsoft doing the same thing or not. It is about Sony keeping accounts locked in their platform. So yes, you are derailing the thread.
 

Pygrus

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Oct 27, 2017
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When you bring up hypothetical scenarios that aren't happening, it makes it clear you aren't actually interested in consumer advocacy, but defending a company you think is your friend.

We all understand how corporations works. You hammer all of them all the time when they do something anti-consumer.

Imagine Microsoft doing something anti-consumer and people shitting up the thread with allegations against Sony hypothetically doing something anti-consumer.

My first post said, this is a shit thing to do, but I'm also pointing out the reality of things. Idealism doesn't always work.
 

TheGift

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Oct 28, 2017
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I definitely understand the criticism to Sony which is warranted

However coming from platform holders that have been historically anti-online entirely or anti-shared networks previously is a little silly.

They are looking for good press to attack Sony and PlayStation obviously and at the same time bring attention to Switch. Going onto news networks as one of the heads of these companies seems a little too aggressive and not kind of cool imo but I'm sure people will disagree. I don't see others doing that when they don't get their way.

The main reason to not want to do these things is most likely sharing user data that comes across when you do share accounts, probably I'm guessing. Either way for such large multiplatform games I hope they do make the norm of this to be cross-platform regardless of play location and then moving forward we can see more.

Sharing networks with direct competitors however is not necessarily the best thing even if you're in last place or head to head with the competitors. But the consumer expectations are not the same as in the 7th generation so I personally think Sony should reverse decision on key titles like Fortnite at the very least.

Specifically the account locking after starting the game with a PSN account is pretty harsh especially for users who may have started playing somewhere else and want to also play the game on multiple platforms.

All in all an expected battleground given the nature of connectivity growing so much stronger in recent years.

You're so wrong. If Nintendo or Microsoft wanted to capitalize, they would've took the low road like Sony did with the game sharing video. This is being caused by upset players. Not the corporations.
 

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Except my first post in the thread was saying that it sucks that sony is doing this and that microsoft would do the same. Then people quote me thinking i'm a fanboy, so i guess they were derailing the thread?

Yeah but who cares who would or wouldn't do it, that's hypothetical and deflecting from the topic at hand. Sure maybe Microsoft would do the same yeah and I'm sure they would get called out for it just like Sony are right now.
 

Afro_Ninja

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Oct 26, 2017
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A video of this will be hell of a proof
I hope some video came out of light
It seems is not happening at all, you can't go from Xbox or Switch to PS4, so all the assumptions about Sony stealing Xbox or Switch players inventory are incorrect.

So, the announcement of the crossdata/play was that PS4 players could go to PC, Mobile, and this is happening.

I don't think there's a legal case here, unfortunately is working as announced.
 

Pygrus

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Oct 27, 2017
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When doing a hypothetical, you are specifically NOT dealing in reality.

Yes, but we all know how these corporations do things.

Edit:

Yeah but who cares who would or wouldn't do it, that's hypothetical and deflecting from the topic at hand. Sure maybe Microsoft would do the same yeah and I'm sure they would get called out for it just like Sony are right now.

I agree any company should be called out on it. Cross platform play should have been a thing back in the 360/PS3 days.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So... why can't Epic sort this out? Can't they allow you to delink your Sony account and let people ditch PS4 crossplay? I'd do it at this point. Rather have Pc and Switch.
 

LowParry

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OH wait! Can we do the "Sony is doomed" in here. Nintendo gets enough of it. Sony should get it too. :D :D :D
 

sypher

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Nov 30, 2017
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I won't lie, I skimmed your flick (your voice is pretty muffled) and in what I watched, heard you say "this is more on Epic" like 3 times..

It's not. It's Sony. Everyone (almost bar a few) in this thread have said it's Sony.

You have an error message in the game that, short of putting Sony's customer support number on it lays blame on Sony

You have both major spokesmen (Reggie and Phil) from the other majors saying "what the 'other' platform does imposes is up to them"

It's now basically a connect the dots between two dots.

As much as you might want to close your eyes and put your hands over your ears and wish its was on Epic. It's not.
That's merely because people don't quite understand how Epic Accounts work, they aren't the kind of thing you have in other games really.

I explained how they work in the vid, that both PSN/Xbox Live are authentication services, once you login successfully and get passed over to Epic then it's nothing to do with them, they merely match up your PSN/Gamertag to your Epic Account and you're fully in the Epic Account eco system playing Fortnite.

Even cross-play is available (across all devices) at the touch of a button for Epic (they accidentally did it once), Epic has full control over everything that happens in Fortnite. The whole linking/unlinking has been available from the start and was working fine, suddenly it's not, that's an Epic feature to fix not the platform holders - it's nothing to do with them.

With all the major figures at E3 for the next day or two, people worked themselves into a furor because there was no response or generic PR one. There's only a skeleton crew on hand, in a few days I bet it'll all be cleared up of what is actually going on.
 
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Ghostwriter74

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Oct 27, 2017
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If Sony thinks they can win more money by blocking people's account on their platform then they need to open their eyes.

This is the point i don't understand. Sony make no cent with Fortnite. You need no Playstation Plus and there is no need to spend money. How they can win money? The only one win money is Epic . Was there any statement from Epic? I mean, they can sell now their Battlepass on PS4 and Switch.
 

New002

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm allowed to post my opinion. Just because Microsoft is out there playing the good guy card because they can. I wouldn't think of Microsoft as looking out for consumer interests, just like Sony isn't either. Welcome to big corporations dude.

What does it matter if MS is "playing the good guy"? At the end of the day what they are pushing as far as this discussiom goes is a win for consumers. If you are a gamer there is literally no reason to not support things like cross-play and the ability to have accounts and associated elements follow you from platform to platform.
 

Tetrinski

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May 17, 2018
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Using this controversy as an opportunity to brag about their sales figures is the most Sony thing ever
I hadn't looked at it that way but it's so true, Sony is reminding me again of the company that didn't care to make a statement when PSN was hacked and down for a month, or the terrible first few years of PS3. Meanwhile, Xbox is gaining lots of momentum going into next gen and Nintendo is at their strongest point since the release of the Wii. I'm not surprised though, this isn't that different than their PR strategy at the beginning of this gen, with things like their video about how to share games. It worked then because they were seen as the cool guys saving gaming from evil Microsoft, but now things are turning around again and that arrogant attitude might end up working against them. The next couple of years will be fascinating to watch.
 

Skittzo

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This is the point i don't understand. Sony make no cent with Fortnite. You need no Playstation Plus and there is no need to spend money. How they can win money? The only one win money is Epic . Was there any statement from Epic? I mean, they can sell now their Battlepass on PS4 and Switch.

I believe the platform holder makes royalties on any microtransaction purchases made on that platform.
 

Pygrus

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What does it matter if MS is "playing the good guy"? At the end of the day what they are pushing as far as this discussiom goes is a win for consumers. If you are a gamer there is literally no reason to not support things like cross-play and the ability to have accounts and associated elements follow you from platform to platform.

I'm just pointing out something no one is acknowledging. I agree that any cross plat game that has online components should be able to link up with the other platforms.
 

Son Lamar

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Oct 27, 2017
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How come some people can't understand that the main issue is not that Sony disallow cross play but rather even if you link your account only just once, that account will be immediately unplayable in all other platforms.

But this isn't about cross play... The issue isn't that they don't allow cross play, the issue is that using your account just once on a PS4 locks you out from using it on an XB1 or Switch forever. This doesn't happen for other platforms so it's solely a Sony policy.

Epic may share some blame by allowing this or not warning users, but that doesn't absolve Sony of their share of the blame.

Read the context of our conversation I was speaking in reference to Sony being upfront about no cross play that encompasses cross platform progression, which is why an account on ps4 is locked to ps4
Epic should have told ppl about this befire hand? Do you really think epic was in the dark about the account lock on ps4? That was the point of what I said epic should be held responsible for not alerting its user of this beforehand,sony isn't obligated to alert fortnite players of this
As for cross play I do agree it sucks we don't have it
 

v_iHuGi

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Oct 28, 2017
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Can't wait to see this history unfold haha man love me some drama.

I'm on the Sony should allow cross progression train btw :p
 

TheYanger

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm glad.

MS pulled the same shit when they were market leader.

Sony shouldn't cave to whiny gamer BS.
Literally nobody has ever pulled this before, nor would it be relevant 10 years later if they had, and they're not going to cave to 'whiny gamer BS' they're going to cave to consumers voting with their wallets. But keep on keeping on, someday Senpai sony will notice that you posted in their defense here.
 

KrigareN-

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Dec 13, 2017
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Does this? Maybe people should stop asking for bans and just talk
We are talking, but certain people can't seem to post without shitting unrealistic implications such as Sony dying because of this.

"This is the beginning of the end"; "Sony is gonna die"; "Downfall is imminent."

All exact quotes from said user.

Tell me how that adds to the discussion at hand. He's overexaggerating the potential impact of this news for no reason whatesoever.
 

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Nov 7, 2017
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This is worse than not even allowing cross play, they're limiting cross platform progression lol
 

Skittzo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Read the context of our conversation I was speaking in reference to Sony being upfront about no cross play that encompasses cross platform progression, which is why an account on ps4 is locked to ps4
Epic should have told ppl about this befire hand? Do you really think epic was in the dark about the account lock on ps4? That was the point of what I said epic should be held responsible for not alerting its user of this beforehand,sony isn't obligated to alert fortnite players of this
As for cross play I do agree it sucks we don't have it

Sony is not locking out cross progression though, unless you are trying to take your progression from PS4 to another console. They are perfectly happy letting you take all of your progress and purchases from the other consoles to their console, they just don't let you take any of that back.

Sony has never said that your purchases can no longer be used on a Switch or XB1 once they've been used on a PS4. That's not an issue of cross play or cross progression if those purchases never came from the PS4 to begin with.
 

Deleted member 32018

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We are talking, but certain people can't seem to post without shitting unrealistic implications such as Sony dying because of this.

"This is the beginning of the end"; "Sony is gonna die"; "Downfall is imminent."

Tell me how that adds to the discussion at hand. He's overexaggerating the potential impact of this news for no reason whatesoever.

Either put them on ignore and/or report them. Stop derailing and shitting up the thread.
 

Dr. Dre's Dr.

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Oct 27, 2017
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On what?

Literally nobody has ever pulled this before, nor would it be relevant 10 years later if they had, and they're not going to cave to 'whiny gamer BS' they're going to cave to consumers voting with their wallets. But keep on keeping on, someday Senpai sony will notice that you posted in their defense here.

Literally MS did prohibit cross play last gen.

stupid stupid stupid stupid comment.. nothing about your mentality is good for this industry.
That picture of Sony that's on your bed board whom you worship so much is surely making you feel empowered..

Yes, that's it. You've figured me out good.

Why would Sony help it's competition?