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SCB360

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Oct 30, 2017
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The network issue isnt on my end and I'm using Wired, other consoles are fine and DNS settings are perfect

and the Pro issue was, you're selling a Pro version, competing with another Pro console, the effort was fairly minimum, though the supersampling has helped somewhat


also btw, it probably wasn't clear but I wasn't saying these were all anti-consumer, just issues that come up repeatably against Playstation
 

test_account

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Oct 25, 2017
4,645
Not sure if answered before, but you would have an separate Epic games account which you log into and is also tied to your PSN id and also potentially an Xbox Live account and a Nintendo account. Except when your Epic account is tied to a PSN account, it can't be used anymore to sign in to either the Xbox or Switch version of the game. Or if you stared out an Epic account tied to Xbox Switch, it won't be able to later be used for the PS4. Hence all the outrage
It was answered earlier, but thanks anyway :)

By the way, when you say "sepereate Epic games account", do you mean just having an Epic gaming account in itself or two accounts? Is it possible to play Fortnite without an Epic account?
 

Moai

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
444
Chile
This misses the point. This is worse than blocking crossplay. This is not allowing any account that has been linked to PSN to play on another device. It's tantamount to account hijacking. It's plain anticonsumer.

Also the defence for crossplay is silly. What when switch and Xbox as a total outnumbers PS4?

Sony need to wake up. The rest of the industry is moving on without them and they're old fashioned stance is no longer cutting it. Move on or move out.
yeah i dont get why if i unlink my account from psn i still cant play on switch. who has to fix this epic or sony ?
 

Mr. Shakedown

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Oct 27, 2017
1,112
Cincinnati, OH
Not sure if it's been stated in the thread or not, but from a technical standpoint this is likely what is happening:

There are 2 instances of Fortnite currently operating (probably in the same server / server farm): One for PS4 and a general one for everyone else. When you transition from one instance to the other, 2 different things happen. When you go from general which say for example has played primarily on PC and Xbox One, and has dabbled in Switch and mobile versions and go to PS4 it does a one time transfer of your entire profile, including all progression and purchases, to the Sony specific instance.

When you choose to "unlink" your PS network account, what it does is it deletes the presence on the Sony instance instead of doing a transfer back to the general instance.

So in short - this is not an Epic issue. This is almost certainly a request from Sony, probably made for "security reasons" or some nonsense even though they're clearly ok with your progression and purchases migrating to the instance, they're only worried about them leaving.

This is some a-grade BULLSHIT, and I hope they get hit hard.
 

RF Switch

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Oct 31, 2017
4,118
It's not even just this either, Sony's other anto consumer practices come into it next gen such as:

We still cannot change our PSN Name (only one now to not have it)
No PSN refunds
no cross play
lackluster "Pro" console (compared to the Xbox One X) I own both and the X is very impressive
Slow as fuck network
Wifi is terrible on all their consoles
No 4k Blu Ray support at all
No Backwards Compatibility

I would still get a PS5 for it's exclusives, but MP is another story these days

Sony needs to work hard to keep its consumers from switching again, Xbox seems to be going the right way and consumers will notice that


But but but you can lend your games to friends! For the players! Seriously I know Sony has been absolutely killing it this gen with first party support but other than that they have legit not gave a shit about anything else to move gaming forward.
 

Deleted member 3812

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Oct 25, 2017
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It needs to be emphasized that an Epic Account stores ALL YOUR PURCHASES.

So any Sony locked account means all the purchases you made cannot go to Switch/XBox which means if you originally created your Epic Account on PC, made Fortnite PC purchases, and in the past you linked your Epic Account with PSN, you cannot transfer all of your purchases to XBox/Switch, so this is much much more than just crossplay/cross-progression.
 

formatnone

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Oct 31, 2017
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Lithuania
It's not even just this either, Sony's other anto consumer practices come into it next gen such as:

We still cannot change our PSN Name (only one now to not have it)
No PSN refunds
no cross play
lackluster "Pro" console (compared to the Xbox One X) I own both and the X is very impressive
Slow as fuck network
Wifi is terrible on all their consoles
No 4k Blu Ray support at all
No Backwards Compatibility

I would still get a PS5 for it's exclusives, but MP is another story these days

Sony needs to work hard to keep its consumers from switching again, Xbox seems to be going the right way and consumers will notice that

i agree on everything except network speed and wifi, i have OG PS4, and yesterday i downloaded a 34gb game in like 6-8 minutes or so, but i do know that there are people that always had problems with PSN speeds and wifi, but even that i'm from Lithuania and i use UK account(PSN doesnt support Baltic countries :( another bad thing...no 2 step verification for us), speeds and stability is something that never ever bothered me.
 

Akai

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think most people understand the reason Sony is doing this. But since most of the people here are customers, not shareholders, there's reason to complain. It is not consumers' interest to fight for what's best for Sony's pockets, they have to be vocal about what's best for them. Having an account forever locked from playing on Xbox or Switch just because you once linked your PS4 profile to your Epic Games account is bad form, and people are right to criticize this move. The mainstream interest will only help achieving results faster, like how Disney themselves had to address why an EA game with Disney-license is selling lootboxes to kids.

Very well said. It always boggles my mind, when consumers act like they are shareholders and are concerned about how much money a certain company that they love could lose.
 

ManaByte

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Oct 27, 2017
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It needs to be emphasized that an Epic Account stores ALL YOUR PURCHASES.

So any Sony locked account means all the purchases you made cannot go to Switch/XBox which means if you originally created your Epic Account on PC, made Fortnite PC purchases, and in the past you linked your Epic Account with PSN, you cannot transfer all of your purchases to XBox/Switch, so this is much much more than just crossplay/cross-progression.

It locks those purchases on the PS4 and there WAS NEVER ANY WARNING THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

Sony is basically stealing REAL WORLD MONEY PURCHASES from customers and locking them into their ecosystem.

I have about $200 spent on the PC version (Save the World LE and Battle Passes) and those are now FOREVER locked into Sony's ecosystem and I was never warned that would happen when I decided to check out the game on the PS4 one day.

People trying to hand-wave this and defend Sony over it is why some people think this place has a Sony bias.
 

Cronogear

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Oct 27, 2017
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The sad thing is, it's probably working the way Sony wants it to to some degree.

I know a couple co-workers who were excited about Fortnite Switch, but ended up deciding to just keep playing on PS4 when they found their account wouldn't transfer.
 

Deleted member 3812

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Oct 25, 2017
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It locks those purchases on the PS4 and there WAS NEVER ANY WARNING THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

Sony is basically stealing REAL WORLD MONEY PURCHASES from customers and locking them into their ecosystem.

I have about $200 spent on the PC version (Save the World LE and Battle Passes) and those are now FOREVER locked into Sony's ecosystem and I was never warned that would happen when I decided to check out the game on the PS4 one day.

People trying to hand-wave this and defend Sony over it is why some people think this place has a Sony bias.

Correct, that what makes this next level bullshit.
 

Rasec

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Oct 30, 2017
774
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The following is an official statement from Sony

"We're always open to hearing what the PlayStation community is interested in to enhance their gaming experience."

"With… more than 80 million monthly active users on PlayStation Network, we've built a huge community of gamers who can play together on Fortnite and all online titles.

"We also offer Fortnite cross-play support with PC, Mac, iOS, and Android devices, expanding the opportunity for Fortnite fans on PS4 to play with even more gamers on other platforms."

"We have nothing further to add beyond this at this point."

#forthegamers. xD
Let's hope this get solved quickly.
In the meanwhile it's free publicity for fortnite on the switch.
 

Nintendo

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Oct 27, 2017
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The sad thing is, it's probably working the way Sony wants it to to some degree.

I know a couple co-workers who were excited about Fortnite Switch, but ended up deciding to just keep playing on PS4 when they found their account wouldn't transfer.

This. I think spreading the information will only makes it better for Sony. Now people know that they have to buy a PS4 to play with their PS4 friends.

I'm not defending Sony. It's a shitty decision but it's working for them.
 

SCB360

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Oct 30, 2017
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i agree on everything except network speed and wifi, i have OG PS4, and yesterday i downloaded a 34gb game in like 6-8 minutes or so, but i do know that there are people that always had problems with PSN speeds and wifi, but even that i'm from Lithuania and i use UK account(PSN doesnt support Baltic countries :( another bad thing...no 2 step verification for us), speeds and stability is something that never ever bothered me.


Wait, you can't have a local account? I didnt realise that actually, wonder if Xbox has?
 

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Everyone needs to take heat here not just Sony. Microsoft is definitely pushing the agenda becuase they are going to use Sonys online base number of players against them once crossplay does haplen.

Good for us, then. As a Huawei phone owner I'd hate that the mobile game I bought could only pair me with other Huawei players, and not those on Samsung, LG, Sony, etc.. Every company is pushing the agenda that they deem best for their pockets, consumers can then choose which one aligns more with their own interests. Here we have a couple companies (Epic, Microsoft, Nintendo, Google, Apple, etc.) that are perfectly fine with uniting playerbases, a move that also helps players whether they own one or more systems. And then there's one company pushing back, wanting their users to avoid having any contact with Xbox and Switch players, and if they ever used the game on PS4 they should not be able to play with the same profile on said consoles, whereas everyone else is fine with allowing this. Sony's stance is actively hurting players, while Nintendo's, Microsoft's, Epic's, etc. is giving them more options. All businesses do this for the money, doesn't mean we need to swallow everything they offer us.
 

Skittzo

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Oct 25, 2017
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It locks those purchases on the PS4 and there WAS NEVER ANY WARNING THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

Sony is basically stealing REAL WORLD MONEY PURCHASES from customers and locking them into their ecosystem.

I have about $200 spent on the PC version (Save the World LE and Battle Passes) and those are now FOREVER locked into Sony's ecosystem and I was never warned that would happen when I decided to check out the game on the PS4 one day.

People trying to hand-wave this and defend Sony over it is why some people think this place has a Sony bias.

People are trying to make it about crossplay when yeah, this is the real issue. This type of account hijacking is absolutely insane and unprecedented as far as I know.
 

Wulfram

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Mar 3, 2018
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It locks those purchases on the PS4 and there WAS NEVER ANY WARNING THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

Sony is basically stealing REAL WORLD MONEY PURCHASES from customers and locking them into their ecosystem.

I have about $200 spent on the PC version (Save the World LE and Battle Passes) and those are now FOREVER locked into Sony's ecosystem and I was never warned that would happen when I decided to check out the game on the PS4 one day.

People trying to hand-wave this and defend Sony over it is why some people think this place has a Sony bias.

The lack of warning is more Epic's fault, I think.
 

DavidDesu

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Oct 29, 2017
5,718
Glasgow, Scotland
Im sure it's been said already but #4theplayers ..

It really is silly. Sure, they might protect some revenue from going to competitors but the bad publicity could cost way more. If even just a percentile of players choose not to get the next PS5, or choose an Xbox now over a PS4 because they know they can use both for Fortnite... That's a lot of money.
 

melodiousmowl

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Jan 14, 2018
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I have all the things, and sonys stance has been pissing me off for years. Destiny, which has 0 reason to have characters tied to platform would be my top game to get account sharing (I have friends on PC on ly and xbox only that I would love to play with but the game is such a time sink - theres basically no way I would level up another set of characters)
 

Son Lamar

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Oct 27, 2017
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Very well said. It always boggles my mind, when consumers act like they are shareholders and are concerned about how much money a certain company that they love could lose.
Not acting like anything just stating I'm not upset about as I understand their reasoning regardless if I agree or not.

Also. I don't agree with them
 

Deleted member 3812

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People are trying to make it about crossplay when yeah, this is the real issue. This type of account hijacking is absolutely insane and unprecedented as far as I know.

It needs to be focused on, your hard earned money that you spent on Fortnite is essentially stolen by Sony if you ever linked your Epic Account to the PSN.
 

SCB360

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Oct 30, 2017
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People are trying to make it about crossplay when yeah, this is the real issue. This type of account hijacking is absolutely insane and unprecedented as far as I know.


I feel like people are pushing both, whether via general confusion or because both are seen as issues in this, I personally hope both things happen
 

Skittzo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like people are pushing both, whether via general confusion or because both are seen as issues in this, I personally hope both things happen

Crossplay should absolutely happen, but that's not really the big, heinous problem here. Locking all of your purchases forever to only a single platform with no warning is the major issue.
 

Zafir

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like people are pushing both, whether via general confusion or because both are seen as issues in this, I personally hope both things happen
I think people are hoping the outrage at the account issue will push Sony into allowing cross-platform.

I'm not convinced it will though, so I too wish there was more focus on the account problem since that's the most egregious thing of this entire debacle. Sony shouldn't be able to take ownership of PC purchases.
 

Tribal24

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Oct 25, 2017
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Good for us, then. As a Huawei phone owner I'd hate that the mobile game I bought could only pair me with other Huawei players, and not those on Samsung, LG, Sony, etc.. Every company is pushing the agenda that they deem best for their pockets, consumers can then choose which one aligns more with their own interests. Here we have a couple companies (Epic, Microsoft, Nintendo, Google, Apple, etc.) that are perfectly fine with uniting playerbases, a move that also helps players whether they own one or more systems. And then there's one company pushing back, wanting their users to avoid having any contact with Xbox and Switch players, and if they ever used the game on PS4 they should not be able to play with the same profile on said consoles, whereas everyone else is fine with allowing this. Sony's stance is actively hurting players, while Nintendo's, Microsoft's, Epic's, etc. is giving them more options. All businesses do this for the money, doesn't mean we need to swallow everything they offer us.

Oh no Im not saying it's fine it's understandable. All parties need to be looked at in this. I can see how Sony can change this around when the time comes and it's not going to be with fortnite it's definitely going to be a title that's not on xone. Becuase at the end of the day for Microsoft it's a numbers game and who can spin the best PR.

So for Sony to finally get involved in crossplay it's going to be when the game is not announced on Xone. Then slowly they will sneak in cross play on past titles. Again I think this is all a PR game and gamers are really the last thing these companies are appealing to on the issue.
 

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I agree I just don't complain about things when I understand why they are doing it from my perspective if I were them I'd do the same thing from a consumer perspective it sucks ass but you accept it. They have a company to run

Fair, I guess, but people complaining had some of the following effects in gaming:
- lootboxes are getting eliminated game after game
- season passes for multiplayer passes are disappearing, no more playerbase segregation in the same game in most games
- online passes have gone
- Xbox One dropped their online-only DRM plans before launching
- refunds are now being granted on digital content on multiple platforms

And these are just fairly recent examples. If a consumer is getting fucked over, even if it's clear that said company does it for the money and not because they're evil genii or something, the consumer has every right to complain. I also understand why it's in Sony's best interest to keep their userbase on lock, but at one point there may come a time when this decision ends up costing them more money from potential customers than what they're gaining with it. The time has not come yet, but it might, as more and more cross-play and cross-progression stories are emerging.
 

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Also another major issue with a Sony locked Epic Account: this will affect all future Epic games that Epic wants to make cross-platform compatible that has ingame purchases, so this will affect more than just Fortnite down the line.
 

Deleted member 3190

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The difference is that progression is saved on one end using your PSN account, while the other is saved using the Epic account.

It's not actually any different, when you sign in with your PSN account it's actually creating a bungie.net account which is where your information is actually stored. Don't get me wrong 100% for cross-play cross-progression, etc. This is how things should be, definitely will be in the future and very annoyed at Sony's resistance.
 

SABO.

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Nov 6, 2017
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Why is that? Switch only just came out, most gaming enthusiasts had Xbox and PS4 for awhile now. Unless someone has that console warrior bullshit mentality "I can't touch a Sony/Microsoft product, you don't know man you don't read the forums, don't support them"

If you're a gamer you have all 3 (4 if you're rolling in money and have a PC with competent specs)

Because the majority of people who buy consoles are not hard-core gamers and typically only buy 1 of the 2. (Ps4 or Xbox)

Most people don't have the level of interest to justify buying both considering they share a lot of the same 3rd party games that most people buy these consoles for (Fifa, CoD, NBA, Madden, GTA, Fortnite etc.).

Switch is cheaper and is seen as something different to what the X1 and Ps4 is so it's more likely for a household to have an X1/Switch or Ps4/Switch instead of a X1/Ps4.

This isn't some console war bullshit lol.
 

NLCPRESIDENT

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Oct 25, 2017
5,969
Midwest
It's not even just this either, Sony's other anto consumer practices come into it next gen such as:

We still cannot change our PSN Name (only one now to not have it)
No PSN refunds
no cross play
lackluster "Pro" console (compared to the Xbox One X) I own both and the X is very impressive
Slow as fuck network
Wifi is terrible on all their consoles
No 4k Blu Ray support at all
No Backwards Compatibility

I would still get a PS5 for it's exclusives, but MP is another story these days

Sony needs to work hard to keep its consumers from switching again, Xbox seems to be going the right way and consumers will notice that
I'm with the people on this, but..

These are NOT anti consumer practices. I've gotten at least 3 refunds from Playstation already. Lackluster pro .. cmon.. ride the waves if you want but at least keep the shit fair.
 

Tribal24

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm with the people on this, but..

These are NOT anti consumer practices. I've gotten at least 3 refunds from Playstation already. Lackluster pro .. cmon.. ride the waves if you want but at least keep the shit fair.

Yup people are not seeing things correctly lol but it's resetera issues are not discussed here obviously just thrown at your face with not actual weight.
 

NameUser

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Oct 25, 2017
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It needs to be emphasized that an Epic Account stores ALL YOUR PURCHASES.

So any Sony locked account means all the purchases you made cannot go to Switch/XBox which means if you originally created your Epic Account on PC, made Fortnite PC purchases, and in the past you linked your Epic Account with PSN, you cannot transfer all of your purchases to XBox/Switch, so this is much much more than just crossplay/cross-progression.
Yup. Imagine someone who mostly plays on PC logging in just to check it out, only to find out that by doing so they just nuked your chances at playing some of the other versions.

Anyone defending/making excuses for this should be ashamed of themselves. This should be one of these situations where we all can agree on something.
 

funky

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Oct 25, 2017
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While we are talking.

It's really dumb you can't even change your epic account email address.

I created my account with my burner yahoo email I use for random crap I don't want on my main gmail to get that free Shadow Complex a few years ago.
Now that I actually use use the account I want to move it to gmail but Epic doesn't let you.
 

SCB360

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Oct 30, 2017
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Fair, I guess, but people complaining had some of the following effects in gaming:
- lootboxes are getting eliminated game after game
- season passes for multiplayer passes are disappearing, no more playerbase segregation in the same game in most games
- online passes have gone
- Xbox One dropped their online-only DRM plans before launching
- refunds are now being granted on digital content on multiple platforms

And these are just fairly recent examples. If a consumer is getting fucked over, even if it's clear that said company does it for the money and not because they're evil genii or something, the consumer has every right to complain. I also understand why it's in Sony's best interest to keep their userbase on lock, but at one point there may come a time when this decision ends up costing them more money from potential customers than what they're gaining with it. The time has not come yet, but it might, as more and more cross-play and cross-progression stories are emerging.


Add to this Project 10 Dollar (online Passes) and the distinct lack of exclusive pre order bonuses this gen
 

Tribal24

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yup. Imagine someone who mostly plays on PC logging in just to check it out, only to find out that by doing so they just nuked their PC version of the game.

Anyone defending/making excuses for this should be ashamed of themselves. This should be one of these situations where we all can agree on something.

Would everyone be happy if those things being actually fixed or is this more about crossplay? Becuase it feels like this is just about crossplay not the actual account.
 

Skittzo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yup. Imagine someone who mostly plays on PC logging in just to check it out, only to find out that by doing so they just nuked their PC version of the game.

Anyone defending/making excuses for this should be ashamed of themselves. This should be one of these situations where we all can agree on something.

Actually from what I can tell it doesn't lock you out on PC and mobile, just on competitor consoles (XB1 and Switch).

Not that that's much better.