Haha, this is great. All those dialogue options are equally ridiculous but at least they run with it.
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Assassin’s Creed Odyssey gay, lesbian, straight, bisexual, asexual relationships are possible
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Haha, this is great. All those dialogue options are equally ridiculous but at least they run with it.
However, there still has to be a present day descendant for the animus data to have come from. Example, Edward Kenway's data came from Desmond's DNA, but the person exploring his past was not Desmond. Though it's possible to use the DNA of a corpse, the integrity of that data after 2500 years, in the unlikely event that a corpse that old is even found, wouldn't give much, if any useful memory data. Judging by how rushed Abstergo was with extracting DNA from Desmond's body, I gather the memories in DNA degrade quite quickly after death.
I hope there are some moments where that response just earns you a slap in the face
Wait so how is asexuality even being explicitly implemented? Without knowing how, I'm a little skeptical that its inclusion is just a PR buzzword.
Can the character explicitly state their interest in another character as being in a non-sexual way or what?
Can the character explicitly state their interest in another character as being in a non-sexual way or what?
Haven't there been hints at the idea that the Animus could end up being used for time travel and changing the past? They can really just make up whatever bullshit they want, I think they care more at this point about making good games in historical settings than maintaining suspension of disbelief for the ridiculous modern-day stuff.
The thread title is worded poorly. In the article, the narrative director says that you can roleplay the main character as asexual, but she says nothing about asexual relationships. To me it kind of came across like she meant it as "you can play the game ignoring romance entirely."
Right. In which case this is just as much asexual representation as any other game featuring romance options before it - i.e. none. You can ignore it, sure, but that's not the same as explicit representation. Yawn.
Yeah. I heard something like that is in Origins. I'm just now about to start playing that, so I don't know the details yet. As far as the currently ongoing comics and novels go though, they seem to still be standing by that. Like, we have a pretty good idea of who Arno's and Shay's modern day descendants are from the books.
Yes,in Origins there is a message from one of Those Who Came Before implying that the Animus made by the present day protagonist Lyla is different. This animus could be used to change the past rather than just seeing the past.
If it's awkward on purpose then yeah, that's fine and it could be fun. Hopefully it won't get cringy after a while.
I wish Origins had something similar, though it would not have made much sense with the character we controlled in that game. I feel it is a system that allows the player to become more involved with creating their own story.
I am curious to see how much depth the romances are going to have, how much story they'll have built around them and whether they tie into the main story. The "long-term and short-term romances" makes it sound like maybe some will tie into the main story and some will be more self-contained? Or will they all be self-contained? Haha, in any case, this definitely made me more interested in the game (along with the dialogue choices) but it would be nice to get some more details on how the romances are going to work.
We know you can recruit people to be part of your boat crew so I'm guessing romances with them play out over a longer period. Or maybe they'll just go full Saints Row 4...
Assassin Creed somehow become mass effect substitute after anthem not providing any romance system
This timeline sure is interesting...
This timeline sure is interesting...
It's like you have no interest in sex. That is all there is to being asexual
Assassin creed about to become a powerhouse more than it ever was before. Might be hyperbole but if they keep building on this stuff, origins rpg mechanics, weapon loot etc, now odyssey with dialogue options and romance. Assassins creed:Mass effect
Ok. I'll be interested to see how the game differentiates these things.
I would love for someone to come up with an explanation on how "Ancient Greece followed Christianity", considering, well, you know... history.
Well, it is an RPG. So I think these options are good.
But I much prefer romance being set/written, then an open choice by the player. So if writers want to make a gay/lesbian, bisexual, asexual romance, then I wish they would just write the character that way. In my experience, most romance options in RPG are poorly written, because they have to make characters sexuality vague/malleable. When they have set characters with written sexuality (so you are limited by choice), i actually think that's a good thing. I don't think every character has to be straight for instance. I think it's better when characters are written with more depth, and take a stand on their sexuality.
That said, it depends 100% on the game. I think games like Skyrim, work very well with many open options. A game like Assasins Creed that is more story driven? I'm not so sure. But at the end of the day, choice is always a good thing. Really just comes down to the writing.
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I don't care about it being historically accurate (I don't know enough to get into that debate). If this is an RPG, then its fine to have these mechanics. Not to mention Assasins Creed by its own definition, is a fantasy version of history. By its very nature, its not 100% accurate.
But I much prefer romance being set/written, then an open choice by the player. So if writers want to make a gay/lesbian, bisexual, asexual romance, then I wish they would just write the character that way. In my experience, most romance options in RPG are poorly written, because they have to make characters sexuality vague/malleable. When they have set characters with written sexuality (so you are limited by choice), i actually think that's a good thing. I don't think every character has to be straight for instance. I think it's better when characters are written with more depth, and take a stand on their sexuality.
That said, it depends 100% on the game. I think games like Skyrim, work very well with many open options. A game like Assasins Creed that is more story driven? I'm not so sure. But at the end of the day, choice is always a good thing. Really just comes down to the writing.
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I don't care about it being historically accurate (I don't know enough to get into that debate). If this is an RPG, then its fine to have these mechanics. Not to mention Assasins Creed by its own definition, is a fantasy version of history. By its very nature, its not 100% accurate.
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Yup. Even though not by todays standards I'd say. But AC isn't really historically accurate (more like movie-history accurate) and doesn't have to be.
This, The Last of Us II, Battlefield V. I am loving this and the reactions from the online scum.
More on topic I am really liking Assassin's Creed becoming more RPG, they are perfect games for it. Ubisoft need to dive in more as Bioware is jumping out.
More on topic I am really liking Assassin's Creed becoming more RPG, they are perfect games for it. Ubisoft need to dive in more as Bioware is jumping out.
Yeah it being more of an RPG, is what I have to get my head around. The game has always been story driven, so I guess I'm trying to see how much they move it towards an RPG (like Bioware games), to see if they are handling this well.
Awesome! But I wanna know if you can actually explicitly say that you're Straight, Gay or Asexual, or if you're actually just Bisexual and are just choosing to ignore the options.
Maybe they suck because the video game writers themselves might not be the most outgoing, romantic types?
I mean I have no place to criticise fellow nerds when it comes to dating, however the vast majority of Biowares romances should have resulted in Shepard/Hawke/The Inquisitor being given a sexual harrasment and workplace lawsuit. And the Witcher's romances mainly involve a woman gaslighting Geralt repeatedly and him sighing and putting up with it.
The only well written flirting in an RPG game that I can think of is honestly Ryder and Peebee.
Maybe they suck because the video game writers themselves might not be the most outgoing, romantic types?
I mean I have no place to criticise fellow nerds when it comes to dating, however the vast majority of Biowares romances should have resulted in Shepard/Hawke/The Inquisitor being given a sexual harrasment and workplace lawsuit. And the Witcher's romances mainly involve a woman gaslighting Geralt repeatedly and him sighing and putting up with it.
The only well written flirting in an RPG game that I can think of is honestly Ryder and Peebee.
Yeah, I think romance/relationships in general, are not very well written in a lot of games (again IMO). Altho I do think, it's harder to write every character as being a blank canvas, that can bend their sexuality at whim. Mass Effect 3 had this problem IMO (where it feels underwritten). Then again, I feel this way about writing in general (and its not just limited to romance). I think writing is almost always stronger, when the writer has a set character/story, rather then leaving it open to player choice. Ive always felt this was a flaw for the genre (or a thing that a lot of writers struggle with). Balancing their vision/story, with player choice (their agency, and having a say in how the world plays out in their game).
Like I said, I think these kind of romance options are great for games like Skyrim. But when it comes to more linear story driven games, I think it's much harder. But as you said, maybe it's just the core writing, and not the player choice/option. I guess i'm just having to wrap my head around this game being more of an RPG (being more like a Bioware game). I'm excited to see how this works.
There's more to relationships than sex so "no romance" ain't ace representation, it's no representation at all.
Ace representation would be being comfortable with being with someone else and enjoying being together with them without necessarily a sexual subtext thrown in the mix. Aces can and do still have sex, but we have a different connection to the act of it since we don't necessarily feel like, sexual attraction and stuff. It's hard to describe as someone for who it's been like that for their entire life since I have no idea how it's like for other people (or other aces do for that matter), but like, ace romance definitely would be just being happy about being around someone else without necessarily focusing on sex as the ultimate goal.
If you can have a relationship with someone that doesn't necessarily have to end up in sex to be a good relationship (like for example, denying to have sex isn't treated as a negative thing), then that would be ace representation, at least to me.
Eh, give Reddit a few days and I'm sure someone who's been studying Ancient Greece since they were 5 and majored in Economics at UCLA with a minor in Greek Studies will show up to educate us about history.
I think narratively it's perfect for conversations and character interactions in the worlds they build.
This is awesome. I love this. I could've never imagined we'd be able to romance in an AC game, yet here we are. Changing up their formula was the best possible decision they made.
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Ancient Greeks had no concept of sexual orientation the way we do today so they would not have identified as gay, bi, straight, pan, etc. Generally speaking, back then it was more relevant whether you were sexually dominant or submissive than which sex or gender your sexual partner/s had.
Since a romance system is a first for the series I felt this warranted it's own thread.
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Romance choices are marked with hearts, they've said that some relationships are short term, some are long term, unlike other RPGs where you're "locked in." This is also regardless of which character you pick when you start the game, romances options are the same for both:
There's a range of asexual engagement with romance that I'm not sure this person understands, so I'm kind of rolling my eyes at that part. The day games can accommodate flexibility, romance without sex, etc, things like demisexuals with sex drives, that's the day I'll feel represented. I don't expect that to come from a big publisher either
Lesbians are named after the greek island of Lesbos, the home of Sappho, very famous gay female poet.
In what time period does Odyssey actually take place? I know Origins wasn't Ancient Egypt because it's far after the time of the pyramids. And Odyssey apparently takes place around the same time as Origins? Is that time Ancient Greece? Are people worshipping Zeus at that point or are those gods already mythology?
User Warned : Fetishising lesbians + History of female objectification.
I'm in for that lesbian stuff.
