I wish this was shown every time you turned your tv on so everyone can see the hypocrisy.
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Kim-Trump Summit Thread - Fire and Fury Edition
- Thread starter Mar Tuuk
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I wish this was shown every time you turned your tv on so everyone can see the hypocrisy.
This is such a dishonest reading of the issues people take with this shitshow. I can't believe you even typed that with a straight face.
It's like history began the moment Trump began Twittering at Un. And conveniently you take agency from ROK while painting this sad picture. You don't seem to be taking the folks who actually live there, into consideration.
Even more telling of how shallow your argument, you've not bothered to ask why China and ROK aren't being represented in this detente. What issues could you hope to solve without security agreements from the interested parties? This is a giant neon circle-jerk for two spoiled children
You and that other guy should just come out and say that your Trump supporters already because only someone that stupid would be buying into the crap he's selling.
Well, now it's next to guaranteed Trump is gonna blow this with some angry retaliation tweets.
B..b...bu..but how DARE you liberals criticize him for taking the first step for PEACE IN OUR TIME.
Obviously the sanctions won't actually be lifted. But I 100% believe Trump rambled on about maybe doing it so now NoKo is running with it because it's a massive propaganda coup for them. And since there are now official notes of the meeting who's to say what actually happened.
Trump got played harder than even I expected.
Trump got played harder than even I expected.
With no formal notes and release about the meeting, it's the only one.
Like I and others keep saying we gave a lasting propaganda victory for nothing.
Either way, the sanctions are applied through the State Department. How much do you trust Pompeo?
Isn't he too busy feuding with De Niro to give a rat's ass about this?
Well it doesn't really matter what he promised or even hinted at. No actual deal was struck other than to basically continue dialogue. And if I'm not mistaken, apparently congress has to approve everything for this, going forward.
Why does everything have to be this stingy quid pro quo game. A summit is a sign of mutual good faith and a strong base from which to enact other reforms.
I'm ready to be enlightened. So far as I see it, Kim and Trump are both bad people - but they in combination with Pres. Moon have led to the best dialogue and de-escalation of tensions since the Korean War ended. The costs to diplomacy are low in terms of ceding this nebulous concept of 'legitimacy' and the benefits enormous.
You know whose actually affected by this more than anyone else? South Koreans, and every indication is that they support this. Tell me why that shouldn't be enough and why we should continue to risk their security for abstract diplomatic strategy.
It wouldn't matter if Trump told Kim that sanctions would be lifted?
This also gives cover to Russia/China to remove their sanctions on NK. It's an amateur hour screw up (that is if he didn't promise that). More given away for nothing
How low is your bar for him? What is his job if not to lead US negotiations? For some reason many people don't believe that the lies he tells matter diplomatically.
Backpedal on what? I don't disagree with you on this. lol
I'm saying, regardless of what Trump may have tossed out there during the meeting, this shit still has to pass through congress. He likely can't just make whatever decisions he wants.
Not if he doesn't have the power to do so, nor is the lifting of sanctions (and at what pace) in any writing.
Oh, I totally agree. I'm all for trying to resolve our issues with NK, but so far this has turned into a completely vague shitshow.
So Kim can rightly broadcast to his own people and to the world that Trump lied to his face.
Yeah that's a great look that will surely lead to productive discussion.
There are no negative consequences at all for promising the lifting of sanctions?
Apparently literally nothing Trump could do should be seen as bad because ~reasons~
We don't know what was promised. Bottom line, nothing was formally agreed to, other than to work towards de-nuking. If it's not in writing, signed, and approved, then it was officially offered.
I doubt Trump cares what NK says about him to his people. And nobody believes anything UN says outside of NK. All that has to be said is the idea of dropping the sanctions over a period of time, matching concrete steps of de-nuking was brought up.
Again, absolutely nothing other than what was signed on that pieces of paper is actually official.
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Thanks for your input Trumpcuckster65.
It depends what your definition of promised is, in this case. I'm sure Kim is well aware that nothing they talk about, that doesn't end up on paper and signed, actually matters.
In reality, my guess is the North Koreans were told that once they start de-nuking, they could WORK towards getting the sanctions slowly lifted.
I'll ask again
If Trump promised or even suggested that he would lift sanctions, you don't see any potential negative consequences?
Yes, very logical, contemplative Kim Jong Un certainly knows this.
It depends on how it was presented. I can't imagine, even Trump, would just flat out offer to lift the sanctions before they start showing proof of de-nuking.
But yeah, if he did promise that, there would likely be negative consequences. What they would be beyond returning to where relations were a few months ago, I don't know.
Come on, dude. I get it's fun to shit on Trump - but I find it incredibly unlikely that even he would tell NK that they would drop the sanctions, and that it would happen before any sign of their de-nuking.
lol I still don't see it being tossed out there. Now I suppose it's always possible Trump did a poor job of communicating, and maybe it came out that way - but there is no way in hell it would come out that way in the large meeting with Pompeo and the rest of the team there.
Why do you continue to give Trump the benefit of the doubt? He's more worthless than the rotted corpse of Osama bin Laden, yet you still seem to think there's something there. Just why?