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khamakazee

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,937
I'm happy to see more and more in the business basically saying if you don't like our game, don't buy it then. It's so easy to be a critic in front of a screen while eating Cheeto's and making fart noises.
 

SimpleCRIPPLE

Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,224
Really, what was the alternative here? To remove women from the game because of the internet backlash?

Yeah, this was the only play, AND they get good PR out of it. This fight was always a lost cause for the one side.
 

Dick Justice

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,542
Wonder if the salty crybabies using "historical accuracy" as an excuse also got mad about the lack of trench foot in BF1. Or if they break their game discs in half as soon as they die and never play again.
 

RockyBalboa_

Member
Apr 28, 2018
1,472
I'm not uying the game as I feel like they dropped the ball since BF3. I gave Battlefield 1 a chance but it sucked. Also how they tried to shaft people with Battlefront 2 #nothanks #timesup

But GG with including female characters!
 

TheRuralJuror

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,504
Wonder if the salty crybabies using "historical accuracy" as an excuse also got mad about the lack of trench foot in BF1. Or if they break their game discs in half as soon as they die and never play again.

What I'm saying. It's such a disingenuous argument.

I'm not uying the game as I feel like they dropped the ball since BF3. I gave Battlefield 1 a chance but it sucked. Also how they tried to shaft people with Battlefront 2 #nothanks #timesup

But GG with including female characters!

None of that is really what the thread is about though. Thanks for giving us a heads up I guess?
 

EkStatiC

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,243
Greece
It seems that this year EA will be again the worst company in us (or something like that) without doing nothing wrong, but idiots always prevail.
 

Spartancarver

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,453
Perfect response.

The incels and MRA fedoras on Reddit are so upset over this, it's hilarious.
 

Demogorgon

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
439
User Banned (2 Weeks): Downplaying concerns of minorities, sexism, history of infractions.
I'm not buying this on principle and before some clown attempts to "call me out on my bigotry" I already have tomb raider, RE2 and last of us 2 preordered and applaud MS for ditching the guy for the new girl character as the main protagonist in gears 5 (which I will more than likely purchase as well).

I'm extremely against corporate mandated inclusiveness and rewriting history to appease a small vocal minority (that doesn't even have much ground to stand on quite frankly).
 

Rackham

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,532
I reported a bunch of posts concerning forced diversity and whataboutisms. Have yet to see any mods hand out a warning though.
 

Demogorgon

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
439
I reported a bunch of posts concerning forced diversity and whataboutisms. Have yet to see any mods hand out a warning though.

It will be real shame if they start censoring and banning people for voicing opinions. If no one is saying hate speech or harassing anyone there shouldn't be any reason to ban someone for criticizing forced diversity
 

Aaron

I’m seeing double here!
Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,077
Minneapolis
Good on them.

I wish more companies - especially gaming companies, who are often afraid of standing up to alt-right keyboard warriors - would realize that social liberalism is actually a selling point for like 90% of people. Only a few fucknuggets would actually let something like this stop them from buying the game. The rest will be people who are apathetic enough that it doesn't make a difference or those who actually support it, while it will generate enough positive publicity to more than make up for the players who skip out.

It will be real shame if they start censoring and banning people for voicing opinions. If no one is saying hate speech or harassing anyone there shouldn't be any reason to ban someone for criticizing forced diversity
Era bans people for trolling and bad faith arguing all the time. If you don't like it go somewhere else.
 

Rackham

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,532
It will be real shame if they start censoring and banning people for voicing opinions. If no one is saying hate speech or harassing anyone there shouldn't be any reason to ban someone for criticizing forced diversity
its not censorship. Those shitty takes will still be there for people to see.
 

Antitype

Member
Oct 27, 2017
439
They should just drop the WW2 setting IMO. Some people don't like when medias rewrite history. I doubt there'd be any controversy if they didn't pretend it to be set during WW2. Pretty much all recent MP games feature women and there's never any backlash. So I'm not buying it's only a sexism issue, if that were the case we'd see it every time.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,458
NC
I'm not buying this on principle and before some clown attempts to "call me out on my bigotry" I already have tomb raider, RE2 and last of us 2 preordered and applaud MS for ditching the guy for the new girl character as the main protagonist in gears 5 (which I will more than likely purchase as well).

I'm extremely against corporate mandated inclusiveness and rewriting history to appease a small vocal minority (that doesn't even have much ground to stand on quite frankly).

You sound like someone who doesn't know history. Women were in World War 2 and fought in it. End of story.
 
Bad example, because that "bionic" prosthetic is historically accurate.

I was being mostly facetious, but I've also read up on the purported material saying this element was "realistic" and there is no real evidence that it is. Lower leg prosthetics of this time period were somewhat competent, but there is nothing that allows a user to bend their elbow at will, especially in the right posture for holding a weapon - much less gripping the weapon and making sure it doesn't fly out of the hook. In fact, WW2 specifically spawned a huge investment into artificial limb technology, but that was afterward, not before or during. If CO2-powered prosthesis were to have been around in the 1940s (I can't find an exact date, most sources list the 50s and 60s, earliest here says 1948), it would've been in its extreme infancy, and there's really no conceivable reason it would be given to a soldier to go back on the front lines as infantry.
 

Demogorgon

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
439
They should just drop the WW2 setting IMO. Some people don't like when medias rewrite history. I doubt there'd be any controversy if they didn't pretend it to be set during WW2. Pretty much all recent MP games feature women and there's never any backlash. So I'm not buying it's only a sexism issue, if that were the case we'd see it every time.

wasn't ea the first to include women in a major FPS with Battlefield 4? I don't remember any major complaining because the time setting was appropriate
 

CaptainK

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,889
Canada
I'm not buying this on principle and before some clown attempts to "call me out on my bigotry" I already have tomb raider, RE2 and last of us 2 preordered and applaud MS for ditching the guy for the new girl character as the main protagonist in gears 5 (which I will more than likely purchase as well).

I'm extremely against corporate mandated inclusiveness and rewriting history to appease a small vocal minority (that doesn't even have much ground to stand on quite frankly).

What makes you think the decision was corporate-mandated and not just what the developers wanted to do? If anything, in years past the "corporate mandate" was to feature bald white dudes. This honestly feels more like the devs just doing whatever the fuck they want, historical accuracy be damned.

Also, I think nearly every AA/AAA game has some requirements imposed by the producer (eg: microtransactions, online multiplayer). I think your choices are pretty limited to indie games if you are an "artistic vision" purist.
 

steejee

Member
Oct 28, 2017
8,618
I haven't bought an EA game in like a decade and I may have to buy this just for their response.
 

Arx

Member
Oct 25, 2017
431
EA is a terrible company is many respects, but definitely not in this case. That is the absolute right way to react to this "outrage". Bravo.
 

Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
Infrared highlighting in WW1, cross/dot/highlighted sights for almost all weapons

But women in WW2, something that actually happened.. THAT'S WHEN I COMPLAIN about historical accuracy

Good response. Game looks great so far, will be buying
 

saenima

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,892
I think people get too hung up on the phrase "historical accuracy" or "historically accurate" and should instead use the phrase "historically possible." None of the scenes depicted in a trailer ever happened. None of them are historically accurate. You read the letters from actual soldiers during World War II, or almost any war? It's 99% boredom, and 1% sheer terror and inhumanity. You want a historically accurate game? Ok, you sit on your ass and play cards or dig holes for 99% of the game, and then there's one or two battles, most players don't see any enemies or kill them, and ~7% of players aren't allowed to play the game again. Sounds great? Okay, $60 please. Maybe $20 DLC to get a third deployment opportunity.

War movies and videogames shouldn't all try to be "historically accurate," because in most cases they can't be, they should try to be "historically possible." Did an amputee woman with a prosthetic arm find herself on the front lines of a battle? As far as historians know, no, that never happened. Could it have happened? Yes it could have. Does it make a better story, a more inclusive gameplay experience, a wider variety of characters, more options for gameplay scenarios? Yes, it does. It likely makes a better game and if you're looking to play better games then the focus shouldn't be on historical accuracy because then you're going to be playing a pretty damn shitty game -- it should be on historical possibility.

I also think people who support/want things that we've seen in the BF trailer need to be careful to overdo justifications of it on the pretense of historical accuracy and focus instead of historical possibility. For instance, prosthetics existed during World War II... but amputees would not have gone back to the front-lines with a prosthetic. Their tour would be over, at least, for Western European countries (Germans, Soviets, and Japanese could have been different because the desperation of war was on their doorsteps, and perhaps amputees were sent back out to the front lines, unfortunately war documentation in all three of those countries is pretty poor, compared to the Western Allies), and most amputees would be fitted with prosthetic limb well after the war. Because when you say, "Well prosthetics were historically accurate..." that's not correct. An infantry soldier with a prosthetic isn't accurate, but it is possible. When you focus on what was historically possible instead of on what was historically accurate, suddenly a whole slew of narrative options open up and the petty arguments about whether prosthetics were on the battlefield or whether women fought in the front lines of X battle, or something, just don't matter because developers and storytellers can now focus on making a better narrative or a better videogame.

Excellent post.
 

El Bombastico

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
36,051
I'm not buying this on principle and before some clown attempts to "call me out on my bigotry" I already have tomb raider, RE2 and last of us 2 preordered and applaud MS for ditching the guy for the new girl character as the main protagonist in gears 5 (which I will more than likely purchase as well).

"I'm not racist! Some of my best friends are black!"
 

Deleted member 21601

User requested account deletion
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
810
To me it looks like EA dosnt understand their fanbase because the backlash is huge. I mentioned it before but in Overwatch nobody blinks an eye to the women characters. Women in a WW2 game are just out of place. BF was a semi accurate game series before BF1. If they had choosen a modern setting and not a historical setting of a real war. Women characters would be ok. Where millions died. Where members of our families died. You should stay respectfull to what actually happened. How about you look at WW2 pictures and point out the women in combat? I bet you cant find any if you dont search directly for it. Also the customization thing is totaly wrong in a historical setting.
 

bunkitz

Brave Little Spark
Moderator
Oct 28, 2017
13,524
"don't buy the game?" Holy shit, EA can say those words? Well, congrats to them finally learning. Or at least PR-ing it. This is great.
 

Aeana

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,943
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El Bombastico

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
36,051
To me it looks like EA dosnt understand their fanbase because the backlash is huge. I mentioned it before but in Overwatch nobody blinks an eye to the women characters. Women in a WW2 game are just out of place. BF was a semi accurate game series before BF1. If they had choosen a modern setting and not a historical setting of a real war. Where millions died. Where members of our families died. You should stay respectfull to what actually happened. How about you look at WW2 pictures and point out the women in combat? I bet you cant find any if you dont search directly for it.

Why is it always the people with the anime avatars? Seriously.
 

Rackham

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,532
To me it looks like EA dosnt understand their fanbase because the backlash is huge. I mentioned it before but in Overwatch nobody blinks an eye to the women characters. Women in a WW2 game are just out of place. BF was a semi accurate game series before BF1. If they had choosen a modern setting and not a historical setting of a real war. Where millions died. Where members of our families died. You should stay respectfull to what actually happened. How about you look at WW2 pictures and point out the women in combat? I bet you cant find any if you dont search directly for it.
The overwatch thing is bullshit. I hear shit all the time on mic about how if people main d.va And mercy they must be a girl. If a girl is on mic, she should heal. Tons of sexist shit going on in overwatch. Not everything is about not playing a game because there's a girl character
 

Big Baybee

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,783
To me it looks like EA dosnt understand their fanbase because the backlash is huge. I mentioned it before but in Overwatch nobody blinks an eye to the women characters. Women in a WW2 game are just out of place. BF was a semi accurate game series before BF1. If they had choosen a modern setting and not a historical setting of a real war. Women characters would be ok. Where millions died. Where members of our families died. You should stay respectfull to what actually happened. How about you look at WW2 pictures and point out the women in combat? I bet you cant find any if you dont search directly for it. Also the customization thing is totaly wrong in a historical setting.
Don't like it? Don't buy it. Watch some documentaries instead if historical accuracy means that much to you.