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DeaDPooL_jlp

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Oct 31, 2017
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I genuinely feel sad for people who can watch this trailer for a videogame and come away with negative thoughts fueled by something that shouldn't get a rise out of you in any shape or form. What type of bubble do you have to live in where two girls kissing is automatically labeled as "an agenda"? Probably the same crowd that is bent outta shape concerning BF5 having a woman on the cover.
 

Heckler456

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,256
Belgium
So what I want to know is,

did they fake the AI in this video like the original TLOU reveal?

Look at how much worse it actually was in this video (loved the game otherwise)



TLOU would be my GOAT if it had AI like advertised

Bears repeating, apparently.



Even in a pre-Watch Dogs age, where every dev was a little more loose with this kind of stuff, they were pretty faithful. At least, more faithful than the video you linked portrays it to be.

Regardless though, I don't think there has been a single first party title this generation that has thus far shown anything in the way of gameplay that looks (graphically speaking) much if at all better than what eventually releases, let alone gameplay that is completely and utterly different from what you'll eventually play. Uncharted, Horizon, Bloodborne and GoW have all come and gone, and they look and play exactly the way they were portrayed. So at this point, I think it's alright to give them the benefit of the doubt on this.

That being said, I can't wait for someone to post that Uncharted 3 Chloe Frazer comparison screenshot.
 

scrambledeggs

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Apr 25, 2018
486
tloup2_e32018_1920x10l0jg1.jpg

Omg! <3

I'm seriously in love with her design.
 

ArkkAngel007

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
4,992
Between the reactions to the kiss, and that dude losing his shit over the violence in this M rated game, I can truly say this place has failed to avoid what we sought to leave behind on the old site. & it's pretty sad to see.

There's no way to police or foretell how people think or feel before they demonstrate them. I don't see the mods ignoring anything problematic given their track record thus far.

Those who want Ellie to be OHK by anything, I'm sure there's a new Grounded mode. As for what she's dishing out, I don't see anything unbelievable. She's a fit and experienced survivor. We saw her shanking people to death in Part 1 ffs.
 

SmokingBun

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Oct 29, 2017
2,091
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the second trope typically done to that sole token gay character?

Is that trope still evoked if that said character is in a relationship with the main character who isn't killed?

Basically yeah. The issue is that there are no happy gay couples in fiction
They always kill off a partner as if to say, "Ya you gay folks are adorable... but it will always end in tragedy."

Good. I want people like these asshats to be upset.


By the way, i don't like people french kissing in public. Ever, by anyone. But in this case it's great to see what kind of maggots come from under the woodwork.

Go full French art-house for this one, twenty minute sex scene!
 

ishan

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Oct 27, 2017
2,192
Doesn't really compute with what you actually wrote.





What agenda? That's not a normal reaction.
im going to agree and disagree with him.

Im going to agree disliking the kiss doesnt make them homophobic. I mean thats perfect fine although I personally do not know how in my opinion elli is clearly a lesbian but maybe dunno. Fiction is interpreted by each person individually.

For example in this there there are ppl who are saying elli is uncomfortable about her being lesbian others saying its her being the center of attention etc . i personally got the sense nd was hitting the lesbians in a gathering could feel uncomfortable (I would image in a situation like tlou where ppl run riot the worst instincts come out so it would be more natural and ppl being scared of her makes sense because shes in some sense the alpha among all of them but a girl and a lesbian think it would be very natural for some (in game) guys to be bigoted in that environment. Think about it the best killer badass amongst you is a girl and a lesbian. If you are anti that in anyway it can affect you and this is in a world with no rules . So isnt it pefectly natural that some guys are assholes to her. etc)

Im going to disagree on agenda driven . I didnt get that sense at all . It all seemed natural to me. I dont see any agenda here. Its a natural extention of the past game including the line about her "pops" always making sure shes safe . seems like the thing joel would do since he sees her as his daughter. This storyline is very normal/natural to me.
 

Antiax

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Oct 27, 2017
1,652
Graphics are amazing. As well as animations. It will probably be a really great game BUT can someone tell me why enemies were looking the same? She killed 3 women (if I counted it right) and they had exactly the same hairstyle as well as faces etc.
 

Benji

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Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,114
Imagine hating an incredible character like Ellie because she like to kiss girls, in the year 2018

Imagine screaming at the top of your lungs Neil and Naughty Dog are ruining gaming with their "SJW AGENDA" in the year 2018 while watching one of the best directed scenes in the history of gaming

Sad as fuck, and in the off chance you read this Neil, I named my first and only daughter Ellie after her when playing TLOU. And I couldn't be more proud.
 

HHGaming

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Oct 27, 2017
539
Speaking of the KISS.. I do have a problem with it!









Wasn't that girl Ellie kissed in a relationship with the Asian guy? she even knew that they are in love and will get back together soon a week max

Then she went ahead and kissed her while he was watching

Poor guy
 

TinfoilHatsROn

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,119
got the same vibes from it as when they presented Last of Us 1 at E3. the demo seems hella scripted and I doubt your encounters will play out this perfectly.

but still, the animations in this game are incredible. that bullet hole to the face and pulling out the arrows especially. its gonna make the enemy combat sequences more suspenseful than ever. unless Cyberpunk releases on PS4 I think we're looking at what will be the best looking PS4 title. Naughty Dog always stepping their game up on the thrills.
The gameplay slice was pretty much directed to show off all the dynamic events. For example why would she try to sneak to the guy in the parking garage when she has a bow and arrow? To show off what happens when someone spots you.

Like the original E3 demo for TLOU1, the dynamic events of say clicking your empty gun and having the AI react still happens. It may not happen at the exact place where you saw it in the demo but it is a dynamic event that triggers when conditions are meant.

Now this is just a guess, but when you hide under a car in TLOU2 I bet that makes the AI start looking under cars and you will be able to shoot enemies.

90% of what's shone here will be in the final product. ND has done this with TLOU1 and U4. Definitely makes me excited!
 

Vroadstar

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Banned
Oct 29, 2017
253
Bears repeating, apparently.



Even in a pre-Watch Dogs age, where every dev was a little more loose with this kind of stuff, they were pretty faithful. At least, more faithful than the video you linked portrays it to be.

Regardless though, I don't think there has been a single first party title this generation that has thus far shown anything in the way of gameplay that looks (graphically speaking) much if at all better than what eventually releases, let alone gameplay that is completely and utterly different from what you'll eventually play. Uncharted, Horizon, Bloodborne and GoW have all come and gone, and they look and play exactly the way they were portrayed. So at this point, I think it's alright to give them the benefit of the doubt on this.

That being said, I can't wait for someone to post that Uncharted 3 Chloe Frazer comparison screenshot.


With the bigotry and hot takes here, I'm pretty sure it will pop up. I think i read someone even posted here that it's not even running of PS4/pro so much salt lol
 

Mbolibombo

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Oct 29, 2017
7,043
Yeah that was pretty amazing. The one game I wanted to deliver at Sonys presser and it did just that. Cant wait to play this game.

The moment when you see Ellie kiss a girl is the moment you know there's gonna be a clusterfuck on the internet. I hate internet. Also gamers.
 

gundamkyoukai

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Oct 25, 2017
21,104
Graphics are amazing. As well as animations. It will probably be a really great game BUT can someone tell me why enemies were looking the same? She killed 3 women (if I counted it right) and they had exactly the same hairstyle as well as faces etc.

I would hope that it's a place holder until the game comes out .
 

Noppie

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Oct 27, 2017
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I really want to know the story direction, it looks amazing and the new systems look interesting. I just really want to know what happens that makes Ellie go apeshit, as she's looking happy.
 

Deleted member 19218

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yeah that was pretty amazing. The one game I wanted to deliver at Sonys presser and it did just that. Cant wait to play this game.

The moment when you see Ellie kiss a girl is the moment you know there's gonna be a clusterfuck on the internet. I hate internet. Also gamers.

This trailer combined with "fuck nazis" in the Bethesda conference were great. I want developers to stomp out vitriolic behaviour and tell people it's not okay to discriminate.
 

Benji

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really want to know the story direction, it looks amazing and the new systems look interesting. I just really want to know what happens that makes Ellie go apeshit, as she's looking happy.

Either her girlfriend or Joel are killed. I can't really see any other reason (other than maybe she's on a revenge trip for the killing of her mother)
 

ZeoVGM

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Oct 25, 2017
76,099
Providence, RI
You can't have read it carefully because I didn't say there was an agenda. I merely explained why some people may be reacting badly to it. I said at the end IF (you know that word right?) it was deliberate (referring to what I'd just explained may be causing some people to dislike it) then it WOULD be an agenda. How could I possibly think there's something wrong with two women kissing when I loved the scene in Left Behind, and I'll just add, had an open relationship with a bisexual women?

Everyone read it.

If the first reaction you have to a same sex kiss is that it is "agenda driven," that is homophobic. You and I both know it to be a fact that if that same exact scene happened between a man and a woman, the word "agenda" would not pop into your head. Not once.

You might not realize it's homophobic. But the fact of the matter is that you are responding to a same sex kiss differently than you would a kiss between a man and a woman.
 

Toxik

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May 22, 2018
411
Speaking of the KISS.. I do have a problem with it!









Wasn't that girl Ellie kissed in a relationship with the Asian guy? she even knew that they are in love and will get back together soon a week max

Then she went ahead and kissed her while he was watching

Poor guy
It's ok it's not real.
 

Dr. Mario

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Oct 27, 2017
13,841
Netherlands
That looked about 300% more scripted and smooth than the actual game will play like, but if they only reach 1/3rd of it, it will still be phenomenal. I just hope against better judgment that killing is not all you'll be doing though. I thought TLoU really dragged and dragged because of it (Left Behind was better because it was shorter)

Speaking of the KISS.. I do have a problem with it!









Wasn't that girl Ellie kissed in a relationship with the Asian guy? she even knew that they are in love and will get back together soon a week max

Then she went ahead and kissed her while he was watching

Poor guy

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TinfoilHatsROn

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
3,119
I'm hyped for Cyberpunk but I honestly don't think ANY GAME can get to TLOU2's level when it comes to graphics AND gameplay. I expect Cyberpunk to be cyberpunk GTA. TLOU2 is... next gen stuff in this gen. And it will look even better in PS5.

I know, right? I'll probably go through that after going through all the Arkham games again. Considering to play CoD Black Ops campaign mode just because it's free though, haha.



I love when I see stuff like this. I think ND and his team will outdo themselves with this one, but it's nice to remember how it all started.



There's no jumping to conclusions with those who have a "problem" with that. I don't have the finesse to deal with this kind of crap. With that said, I agree with you hard: it's INSANELY well crafted. And heartbreaking. This game knows how to play with my emotions and I'd argue that the trailers themselves already do it better than TLOU. I love where we are going with this.
I take umbrage with that statement sir! ;)

(Cyberpunk 2077 is more like a 3D version of ShadowRun games. You take missions as a merc to serve various corps. It's much more different than GTA. Also the writing won't be a shitty, cringe attempt at satire. I'd say more but this is a TLOU2 thread, lol)
 

Siggy-P

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Mar 18, 2018
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Speaking of the KISS.. I do have a problem with it!









Wasn't that girl Ellie kissed in a relationship with the Asian guy? she even knew that they are in love and will get back together soon a week max

Then she went ahead and kissed her while he was watching

Poor guy

No, they broke up. Elly says she reckons they'll be back together in two weeks, that don't necessarily mean they will. Plus it was the girl who initiated the kiss.

So technically she did nothing wrong. Like Ross off Friends.
 

BladeX

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Oct 30, 2017
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I am not very fond of the unnecessary script exposition regarding Ellie and the "i am just a little girl" thing only to remind us via her partner that "everyone should be afraid of you!".

We have already TLOU and Left Behind were Ellie is a proven bad ass and highly capable person. And it was done masterfully.

So I dont get the need to drop this thing now... it feels completely unnecessary and I would prefer if they resorted to the way TLOU worked, ie: let actions speak for themselves...