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Trump administration moves to block victims of gang violence, domestic abuse from claiming asylum
- Thread starter studyguy
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So terrible, but it was only a matter of time after he referred the case to himself a few months ago. I wonder what will happen to people whose asylum applications have been granted, but their status has yet to be adjusted. Will this serve as a basis for a DHS appeal? Ugh, ugh ugh. This administration is heartless.
likely the same thought as always
"this is being used by MS13 to get members into the US"
seriously, every single inhumane act this administration has done, has been excused by the voters as a way to prevent MS-13 from... things.. it finally occurred to me this is why Trump pounded the MS-13 drum so hard during his campaign. His base is 100% fine with it because keeping out the abused and the raped will make us safer.
User Banned (1 Week): Trolling + Taking pleasure in the suffering of others.
I definitely wouldn't call myself a supporter.
However, Trump has broken through my anti-politics stance in a remarkable way. I'm 36 years old and I've ignored virtually every previous administration. In my personal life, most of my friends are moderates so they don't get worked up about politics. But Neogaf and Resetera have forced Trump into my daily life and I've enjoyed the reactions more than I expected.
He does have authority that is binding on immigration courts and the Board of Immigration Appeals, but that is subject to review by circuit courts. I expect lots of organizations will be challenging this at the federal appellate level.
What else has got you down? I just saw a nat geo photo of an Equatorial Guinean man grilling a drill. Let's commiserate :(.
User Banned (3 Days): Dismissing concerns of abuse victims
why should the United States be involved with domestic issues of citizens from other countries? just get a divorce and move.
Support sending rape victims back to their abusers to own the libs.
God, I would actually respect you more if you admitted you were Trump supporter.
Ahhh yes, just ask your abusive husband for a divorce. What could possibly go wrong?
i still don't see why the United States should be responsible for what happens there. maybe the UN can set up safe zones for those issues in the countries that they are coming from.
Not even sure what the hell the last sentence means other than "4 THE LULZ" but anyone that uses a term like "anti-politics" over teenage age should be embarrassed. And you're 36. Yikes.
Anyway, fuck Jeff Sessions. What a terrible human being.
Because we have the ability to help people join and contribute to our society instead of being killed in horrific ways.
You guys really need to get off this, "Not our problem" shit and nobody should have to explain why.
Because that's not an option for many women. The bases for these domestic abuse-based asylum claims is that these women are unable to leave their relationship and their government is unable or unwilling to protect them. In other words, they are treated like property. If they could just get a divorce and move and not be in any danger they would. But they can't. They are stuck in an abusive relationship sanctioned by a machismo culture/ineffective government.
Edit - ahh I see the user has been banned.
It's like the U.S. kept screwing with Latin America or something.
Why stop now? Not like he only now began doing it at an old age...he's going for a macabre highscore of sorts.
Because garbage "citizens" like you then like to claim we are a christian nation of christian morals when it comes to fucking abortion and other shit. Because shit like this happens:
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/391275-iowa-student-killed-after-being-deported-to-mexico
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/01/15/when-deportation-is-a-death-sentence
Ya'll are a bunch of fucking hyprocrtical fake ass christians. I don't even believe in fucking god and I am a better christian than 99% of the republcian fucks that claim to be christian in this county.
United States exports its home grown gang members to other central American countries. United States maintains its drug addiction by sourcing heroin, cocaine, marijuna, etc by going through these same countries. The US, now in a position to help people fleeing the violence says nah. America really needs to shut the fuck about human rights. And I'm not going to even bother bringing up all the political destabilization the US has played a role in the Americas.
Feels even more sad and angry as I just watched a video about Josef Mengele. =(
Obviously there is quite some difference here, but the feelings are quite close together.
Don't understand how somebody can come up with such rules and then champion themself as anything good.
Obviously there is quite some difference here, but the feelings are quite close together.
Don't understand how somebody can come up with such rules and then champion themself as anything good.
I give it two months before Trump is banging on the desk demanding razor-wire across the border. They're following Orban's playbook for plodding fascism.
The only question is how long GOP voters let this go on. I suspect that's a rhetorical question, and everyone else will need to make their voices heard in November
The only question is how long GOP voters let this go on. I suspect that's a rhetorical question, and everyone else will need to make their voices heard in November
Fuck the cowards that are too chickenshit to come out and defend this horrible thing that they voted for.
Our country is going to hell in the worst way.
Our country is going to hell in the worst way.
This coming from the same guy who, on the old site, stated that Obama does not act like a black person and ought to do so (and subsequently got permd). The lack of awareness and empathy even now is astounding.
Dang did not know domestic violence and gang violence were even eligible for asylum. I thought it had to be like a war torn country or some type of poverty/famine. Especially considering so many people from Haiti get denied i figured it was because their situation was not dire enough. Interesting.
Open question what is the path for immigration? Open borders is just not logical or reasonable by any means and open applications is not realistic as well. Considering some countries have even more stringent requirements. This is like the perfect storm of politics with not clear solution.
The governments of the home countries don't care and the country these folks are trying to build a life in don't care as well.
Open question what is the path for immigration? Open borders is just not logical or reasonable by any means and open applications is not realistic as well. Considering some countries have even more stringent requirements. This is like the perfect storm of politics with not clear solution.
The governments of the home countries don't care and the country these folks are trying to build a life in don't care as well.
My neighbor can't see her brother, mother, or nephew because of Trump's shitty travel ban. There are millions of people suffering needlessly because of Trump's xenophobic attacks on refugees, immigrants, dreamers, and arbitrary foreign nationals.
My neighbor is a good person. She, her brother, and mother, They're all wonderful people: a nurse, a teacher, a retired nurse from doctors without borders. She let me join the family for dinner a few years ago when my fridge broke and my food spoiled, when the family was here visiting. I didn't drive at the time, but she didn't have to do that: I could have ordered something for delivery.
The mother died last month, and they had to say goodbye over the phone because they're not sure if this administration would let her back in if she left (and yes she is here legally).
This is just a small piece of the immigration pie. There are also matters of diplomacy, trade, environmental protections, food and drug safety, distaster response, and more, where the malice and inadequacies of this administration have needlessly caused suffering and setbacks.
And you. You rotton shell of a human. You sit there, blissfully ignorant of the world around you, almost 40 fucking years old. And you laugh. Because you find this somehow amusing.
You're pathetic.
Was honestly surprised that you could use domestic abuse as a reason to register for political asylum.
The notion that political asylum requests should be limited to state actions makes some sense to me. Especially considering how stretched thin and over capacity in terms of dealing with these requests we are.
The notion that political asylum requests should be limited to state actions makes some sense to me. Especially considering how stretched thin and over capacity in terms of dealing with these requests we are.
I'm pretty sure the asylum isn't just for any case of domestic violence, but when it's condoned by the state or local culture
There's tens of nations where domestic violence is legal and used as a form of discipline and subjugation. Some battered wife from Canada isn't going to be granted asylum. someone fleeing a small village community in syria out for blood would be.
I don't want them to defend it. I want to see if they realize that they backed the wrong guy.
Shame the native-american didn't say the same to the people arriving this continent escaping persecution and send them back
Right, so a gang that started in the US, that spread overseas... that we're using to as an excuse to deport as many people as possible, whether they're a violent criminal or not... the US is no longer going to let people take refuge from. When they deported that guy and he was murdered recently? That's a feature not a bug.
Because fucking over brown people in the US isn't good enough anymore.
Because, yet again, sourcing from newspaper articles that discuss complex things like the process for obtaining asylum (and the Immigration and Naturalization Act writ large) is wildly simplistic, here's a good article on the asylum process in the USA: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/asylum-or-refugee-status-who-32298.html. (If you actually want to read the relevant section of the Act, it's § 208. The USCIS website has a thorough FAQ, but it's not terribly user-friendly, which itself is a travesty: https://www.uscis.gov/faq-page/asylum-eligibility-and-applications-faq#t12802n40186.)
Choice bits from the NOLO article:
But two criteria must be met:
These are not United States-specific definitions. They were lifted from the United Nations 1951 Convention and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. Under these definitions (which are the international law definitions), there is a difference between suffering violence generally and suffering violence that's in connection with membership in one of those above-mentioned categories:
Here's another article that details the process. It's from a pro-immigration group, but I think it checks out as far as sourcing and statistics: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states.
The WaPo article is also much better than the LA Times article and actually discusses the case that Sessions' ruling overturned: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.00e758f6cb05.
tl;dr - going forward, where previous asylum seekers could have claimed credible fear of domestic or gang-related violence by claiming they were members of a "particular social group," that seems less likely now.
Choice bits from the NOLO article:
But two criteria must be met:
These are not United States-specific definitions. They were lifted from the United Nations 1951 Convention and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. Under these definitions (which are the international law definitions), there is a difference between suffering violence generally and suffering violence that's in connection with membership in one of those above-mentioned categories:
Here's another article that details the process. It's from a pro-immigration group, but I think it checks out as far as sourcing and statistics: https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states.
The WaPo article is also much better than the LA Times article and actually discusses the case that Sessions' ruling overturned: https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.00e758f6cb05.
tl;dr - going forward, where previous asylum seekers could have claimed credible fear of domestic or gang-related violence by claiming they were members of a "particular social group," that seems less likely now.
