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Val Kilmer calls out Anthony Bourdain for ‘selfish’ suicide
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Boo-hoo.
Anthony was suffering also, and he owes Val nothing. That Val (or anyone else) insists that people continue to live in daily torment so much so that they kill themselves out of desperation so as to spare those such as Mr. Kilmer some grief is not only what's truly selfish, it's heartless beyond measure.
These "it's selfish" people are absolute monsters.
Ironic thing is depression makes you think about the effect on others for longer than this chap will grieve.
Honestly he is blessed with this reaction, wish I didn't understand suicide either. It is a sign of a healthy mind.
Honestly he is blessed with this reaction, wish I didn't understand suicide either. It is a sign of a healthy mind.
I'm ok with grieving until it gets to the point where a person demeans another's character when doing so.
If they knew each other than I can see where Val is coming from but he could have kept it to himself.
It's crazy but within the past year I saw a commercial for one of Bourdain's shows and thought "Man, this n-word is the luckiest guy in the world!". I feel for him and his family.
It's crazy but within the past year I saw a commercial for one of Bourdain's shows and thought "Man, this n-word is the luckiest guy in the world!". I feel for him and his family.
And guess who just got added to my comic convention for this weekend....
A shame because he was my favorite Bruce Wayne (not Batman) for a long time, but now I kinda want to engage him on this
A shame because he was my favorite Bruce Wayne (not Batman) for a long time, but now I kinda want to engage him on this
i've attempted suicide 5+ times (not very good at it) and ya know fuck this guy, fuck this mindset.
Don't be that person who tries to call out celebs at conventionsAnd guess who just got added to my comic convention for this weekend....
A shame because he was my favorite Bruce Wayne (not Batman) for a long time, but now I kinda want to engage him on this
You're never going to look like the hero, it's just cringe worthy all round and hurts the show
I work guest services for that convention, and would never call them out like that. But if you're polite enough to the celebrities I've had a few open up about certain topics when they'd invite us and my staff out to dinner. Nothing pressing, just casual conversation. If he doesn't want to talk about it, they'll damn sure let us know.
User Banned (3 Days): Pseudo-scientific theories downplaying conditions of depression
But cancer, and in particular heart diesease and dementia are physical diseases. They are ever present unless remedied. Whereas with depression after a period of rest, where did it go? No scans will show it. Yet with the other conditions they are there, whether you are sleeping or awake. Depression is a conditon of the mind.
Where we differ is "the source of the problem". I contend that diseases like Cancer, Heart Disease, Dementia, and so on are localized within the body where as "depression" is a condition of mind.
My theorum contends that the brain is not the mind. The mind is a subtler entitiy whose physical organ is the brain. They are, the mind and physical brain - interlinked. But the brain is a subservient organ to the mind, and that the mind is the chief supervisor over the physical apparatus which they call the brain. For me the mind, and not the brain is both the origin and cessation of depression.
Not some fault in the physical wiring, not something handed down, like puma sneakers but localized in the mind.
Poll the people on the wealth of anitdepressants, and they will tell you that depression remains, what happens is the symptomology is simply dulled. Yet ever present, in the background of the subconsious.
Eat good food. Whats wrong with your gut organs is the overall tamber of the food you are putting down your belly. And it is the exact same with depression.
Your way of thinking, which is part and parcell to this time, is dangerous. It says "I'm a victim of my brain, it's wiring, it's genetic.
There is nothing i can do except take an antidepresant for the rest of my days. For the woe to be gone, there is the final act, no escape. I'm fucked. If you believe as such, when the wave hits and drags you down for the hundreth time, ending your life becomes rudimentary.
I believe depression is a condtion of the mind, and is brought about wholly by the tamber of thoughts the mind is fed.
As an example - for you it's about "oh i hate that guy cause he thinks he's better."
Thats the tamber of your thoughts. Thats what you are feeding your mind.
For me it has nothing at all whatsoever to do with "the lick of pride." That line of thinking is low level and ego centric. It has nothing to do with my ego gratification, and everything to do with another person avoiding fucking disaster.
It's understandable to feel angry about it. A person dying is obviously greatly hurtful to everyone close to that person, but a suicide makes that hurt feel like it was inflicted deliberately, even though it most likely wasn't.
Losing a loved one to suicide makes you feel angry and powerless, because you're left wondering if you could have helped make things better for them. But now you'll never know. And you'll live the rest of your life wondering if there was anything you could have done about it, if only you knew.
There's no way to know if the person who committed suicide thought about the effect it would have on his loved ones, but the point is that he made the decision to kill himself, and in doing so closed the door on any possible intervention or help that his loved ones would most likely have offered. It's the assumption that none of his loved ones could help and the permanence of his decision that causes that anger on those left behind. It's not rational (much like suicide itself), but it's understandable under those circumstances.
Losing a loved one to suicide makes you feel angry and powerless, because you're left wondering if you could have helped make things better for them. But now you'll never know. And you'll live the rest of your life wondering if there was anything you could have done about it, if only you knew.
There's no way to know if the person who committed suicide thought about the effect it would have on his loved ones, but the point is that he made the decision to kill himself, and in doing so closed the door on any possible intervention or help that his loved ones would most likely have offered. It's the assumption that none of his loved ones could help and the permanence of his decision that causes that anger on those left behind. It's not rational (much like suicide itself), but it's understandable under those circumstances.
Excuse me? Back the hell off. I tried to share with you my experience and patiently help broaden your mind and this is the response? You're being goddamn arrogant to presume to know the cause of my illness and the required solution. You think I excrete blood a dozen times a day because I'm eating burgers and fries? I've had a great diet my entire life before being diagnosed - mostly vegetables, only drank water, ate yogurt and olive oil and nuts and all that shit - didn't stop me from having this hereditary disease that three close relatives happen to have. But I don't need to justify that to you - how dare you tell me what's wrong with me, someone who has to live with this and has found a manageable treatment with my doctor.
You're evidently not an expert on physical illness and it's an understatement to say you lack understanding regarding mental illness as well, please better inform yourself.
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Well it is, and there is certainly a case of misdiagnosis. If you want physical effects of depression, it reduces your serotonin levels which means you stop releasing (enough) dopamine to keep your mind healthy and that's what anti-depressants correct. As for healing from depression, you really don't. You cope and manage but it's always in the back of your mind and becomes a part of who you are and how you view the world. Now that doesn't mean you can't become more or less healthy and lead a normal life, but I'm just saying it changes you. Honestly and hopefully it changes you for the better if you can get past it, and sadly really only if you can get past it. Actually I'm not sure if there has been research done but I would certainly be interested in seeing brain scans and the physical of effects depression on the brain; before and after depression and depressed individuals versus non-depressed individuals, it could lead to some interesting insight, assuming of course it hasn't already been done.
This person is completely ignorant on how mental health and depression works and are contributors to the suicide statistic. Shame on him.
Dementia and Depression are equally illnesses of the mind. You can absolutely do brain scans and find evidence of depression, along with other mental illnesses. Your understanding of this subject seems very, very flawed, to the degree that you probably shouldn't even be posting about it, frankly
I think the title of the Mercury News (?) article and this thread are going for hot takes.
A more accurate title would be, "Val Kilmer publicly grieves over the loss of his friend, Anthony Bourdain," but I think Mercury News (Subscription required, turn off ad block, accept our cookies!) is trying to sell headlines here, and we're taking the bait.
I've had two relatives kill themselves, my aunt and my uncle (well... my uncles hasn't been ruled a suicide but... it's seems pretty clear to us), but I don't grieve publicly. Yet, I still understand how some people do grieve publicly, and when you're grieving over something that is so difficult -- the suicide of a loved one -- you feel things that you otherwise wouldn't say when you're level headed or clear, because the suicide of a loved one hurts and it's not easy to deal with. I don't grieve publicly so I don't write things like that publicly, but at the same time, I can say I felt them when loved ones killed themselves.
I think a more accurate title would be, "Val Kilmer grieves Anthony Bourdain in public letter," or something, but not "Kilmer roasts Bourdain" or whatever you're seeing Mercury News, Fox News, and other trash news printing this as. I don't think whaat Kilmer is writing is accurate or helpful, but to me it seems like public grieving, not like "slamming Bourdain" as whatever comes up in Google news says.
A more accurate title would be, "Val Kilmer publicly grieves over the loss of his friend, Anthony Bourdain," but I think Mercury News (Subscription required, turn off ad block, accept our cookies!) is trying to sell headlines here, and we're taking the bait.
I've had two relatives kill themselves, my aunt and my uncle (well... my uncles hasn't been ruled a suicide but... it's seems pretty clear to us), but I don't grieve publicly. Yet, I still understand how some people do grieve publicly, and when you're grieving over something that is so difficult -- the suicide of a loved one -- you feel things that you otherwise wouldn't say when you're level headed or clear, because the suicide of a loved one hurts and it's not easy to deal with. I don't grieve publicly so I don't write things like that publicly, but at the same time, I can say I felt them when loved ones killed themselves.
I think a more accurate title would be, "Val Kilmer grieves Anthony Bourdain in public letter," or something, but not "Kilmer roasts Bourdain" or whatever you're seeing Mercury News, Fox News, and other trash news printing this as. I don't think whaat Kilmer is writing is accurate or helpful, but to me it seems like public grieving, not like "slamming Bourdain" as whatever comes up in Google news says.
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I think you're right. Kilmer is obviously grieving and we're getting angry at the word "selfish".
This is a shitty take. Your making it about YOUR pain when you call them selfish. Have some consideration for the pain this man must have been in to ultimately make the decision he did. The logical part of your brain can know that your sucessfull, your wealthy that you have a beautiful family who loves you and it doesn't matter.
Depression is irrational.
Depression is irrational.
What does the word "tamber" mean? I can't seem to find it in a dictionary. The word "tambour" means a small drum.
Frankly, your belief in what depression is is worthless. You are not a medical professional and your ideas about how depression manifests do not take into account the various causes of depression. Your armchair psychiatry is disingenuous. That you would claim my position to not judge suicidal people harshly is dangerous is dumb. There's nothing dangerous about my position.
Dude is grieving and taking it hard. You guys must have pretty spiffy lives if you haven't figured out that anger is one the first things you have to overcome in situations like these. How about we let him come to terms with what has happened and find something else to bitch about?
You haven't been reading if you think people are telling him not to be angry or to not grieve.