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Deleted member 29464

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Banned
Nov 1, 2017
3,121
Telling people will barely do shit, either you force people to eat less or have science give alternatives like lab-grown meat. It feels like with most these things, the people who have "given" up consuming certain things they never really consumed them in the first place.
 

FLUXCapacitor

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,074
This forum is the worst when it comes to any discussion of eating plant based/vegan. Everyone bitches about climate change. There are threads on how Trump doesn't believe in climate change and everyone looses their shit over it. But when it comes down to actual change and contribution to the issue no one wants to give up their precious dead animal flesh. And going plant based really isn't just about the environment, its a 3 fold thing. Environment, Health, and the Morality of it. Take your pick there really isn't a solid argument against any of those. It all comes to down to your taste buds and selfishness.

Going vegan was the single easiest thing I've ever done in my life. People make way to big of a deal out of the matter spouting bs like "protein tho", "b12 tho", "cost to much tho"...when in reality none of these are true.
 

Hollywood Duo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
41,816
This forum is the worst when it comes to any discussion of eating plant based/vegan. Everyone bitches about climate change. There are threads on how Trump doesn't believe in climate change and everyone looses their shit over it. But when it comes down to actual change and contribution to the issue no one wants to give up their precious dead animal flesh. And going plant based really isn't just about the environment, its a 3 fold thing. Environment, Health, and the Morality of it. Take your pick there really isn't a solid argument against any of those. It all comes to down to your taste buds and selfishness.

Going vegan was the single easiest thing I've ever done in my life. People make way to big of a deal out of the matter spouting bs like "protein tho", "b12 tho", "cost to much tho"...when in reality none of these are true.
Going vegan isn't even an option for a significant portion of the population. Many people are lucky if they even have access to fresh food.
 

Vagger

Member
Oct 29, 2017
72
This forum is the worst when it comes to any discussion of eating plant based/vegan. Everyone bitches about climate change. There are threads on how Trump doesn't believe in climate change and everyone looses their shit over it. But when it comes down to actual change and contribution to the issue no one wants to give up their precious dead animal flesh. And going plant based really isn't just about the environment, its a 3 fold thing. Environment, Health, and the Morality of it. Take your pick there really isn't a solid argument against any of those. It all comes to down to your taste buds and selfishness.

Going vegan was the single easiest thing I've ever done in my life. People make way to big of a deal out of the matter spouting bs like "protein tho", "b12 tho", "cost to much tho"...when in reality none of these are true.

I couldn't agree more.
 

Deleted member 9486

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
4,867
We're not having kids and limit red meat along with generally trying to be aware of the carbon footprint of various things.

Everything in moderation IMO. Just being aware and make decisions on what you are willling to cut back on and give up is key.
 

Orb

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,465
USA
How about this:

Too few vegan things taste good, and the things that do taste good still pale in comparison to the non-vegan alternative.
Honestly, this is my reasoning. And I know it's a shitty reason. I personally think veganism is a morally and ethically superior lifestyle. But I'm a weak man without the willpower for it.

And I fucking LOVE eggs.
 

Deleted member 1849

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
6,986
This forum is the worst when it comes to any discussion of eating plant based/vegan. Everyone bitches about climate change. There are threads on how Trump doesn't believe in climate change and everyone looses their shit over it. But when it comes down to actual change and contribution to the issue no one wants to give up their precious dead animal flesh. And going plant based really isn't just about the environment, its a 3 fold thing. Environment, Health, and the Morality of it. Take your pick there really isn't a solid argument against any of those. It all comes to down to your taste buds and selfishness.

Going vegan was the single easiest thing I've ever done in my life. People make way to big of a deal out of the matter spouting bs like "protein tho", "b12 tho", "cost to much tho"...when in reality none of these are true.
Yup, it's a common thing I see here. Everyone is happy to stockpile on the likes of Trump for not helping with climate change but when they get told they can help by reducing their precious meat it's suddenly "fuck the earth, gonna die anyway".

It's pathetic.
 

woman

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,532
Atlanta
i see some girls are still peddling overpopulation myths

westerners will come up with anything to deflect the bold-faced fact that they consume an extremely disproportionate amount of resources

XwHyVgR.gif
 

mintzilla

Member
Nov 6, 2017
582
Canada
I love how the sick fuck pro population control people always want poor people in Africa India and Asia to die off/stop producing when its westerners that consume like 10X more per capita. They should take their own advice and off themselves.

God forbid you eat 1 less steak a week, you might actually not be fat as fuck then.
 

ZeroX

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
21,266
Speed Force
This forum is the worst when it comes to any discussion of eating plant based/vegan. Everyone bitches about climate change. There are threads on how Trump doesn't believe in climate change and everyone looses their shit over it. But when it comes down to actual change and contribution to the issue no one wants to give up their precious dead animal flesh. And going plant based really isn't just about the environment, its a 3 fold thing. Environment, Health, and the Morality of it. Take your pick there really isn't a solid argument against any of those. It all comes to down to your taste buds and selfishness.

I promise you, I've never once talked about climate change, acted morally or cared about my health. I'm going to continue to eat meat and dairy, but I won't be a hypocrite about it.
 

rambis

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,790
This forum is the worst when it comes to any discussion of eating plant based/vegan. Everyone bitches about climate change. There are threads on how Trump doesn't believe in climate change and everyone looses their shit over it. But when it comes down to actual change and contribution to the issue no one wants to give up their precious dead animal flesh. And going plant based really isn't just about the environment, its a 3 fold thing. Environment, Health, and the Morality of it. Take your pick there really isn't a solid argument against any of those. It all comes to down to your taste buds and selfishness.

Going vegan was the single easiest thing I've ever done in my life. People make way to big of a deal out of the matter spouting bs like "protein tho", "b12 tho", "cost to much tho"...when in reality none of these are true.
Ehh just because people don't blanketly agree with veganism doesn't mean that they are bad people.
 

Relix

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,219
Welp. Sorry mother nature. I have a 1 pound and a half rib eye in the fridge marinating so I can roast it tonight for E3.
 

molnizzle

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
17,695
This forum is the worst when it comes to any discussion of eating plant based/vegan. Everyone bitches about climate change. There are threads on how Trump doesn't believe in climate change and everyone looses their shit over it. But when it comes down to actual change and contribution to the issue no one wants to give up their precious dead animal flesh. And going plant based really isn't just about the environment, its a 3 fold thing. Environment, Health, and the Morality of it. Take your pick there really isn't a solid argument against any of those. It all comes to down to your taste buds and selfishness.

Going vegan was the single easiest thing I've ever done in my life. People make way to big of a deal out of the matter spouting bs like "protein tho", "b12 tho", "cost to much tho"...when in reality none of these are true.
You must be new to humanity.

People are selfish. That's never going to change.

Making it easy and invisible to the consumer is the only way. Lab-grown meat, electric vehicles, solar panels, etc. You will never convince people to give up foods they love or use less of their favorite household items. That's reality. Crying about it isn't going to change it.
 

JCHandsom

Avenger
Nov 3, 2017
4,218
No surprise there

Honestly, this is my reasoning. And I know it's a shitty reason. I personally think veganism is a morally and ethically superior lifestyle. But I'm a weak man without the willpower for it.

And I fucking LOVE eggs.

i see some girls are still peddling overpopulation myths

westerners will come up with anything to deflect the bold-faced fact that they consume an extremely disproportionate amount of resources

XwHyVgR.gif

These posts really sum it up
 

Orb

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
9,465
USA
Also people who come into threads like these and post shit like "lol can't wait to enjoy a big burger later" are just as bad as idiots driving around "rolling coal" out of some weird sense of defiance.

I eat meat (though to be fair, not nearly as much as I used to) but I have admitted that I know the faults of my choice and don't pretend to revel in my failings.
 

pokeystaples

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,347
I only have meat for one meal a day and it is normally some sort of seafood although we do eat chicken from time to time. I have a burger once a month because I fucking love burgers. Dairy is my main issue. I have lupus so I cannot be in the sun. I take vitamins and have a glass of milk (8 ounces) each day. I have vegan protein powder and it's, at it's lowest sale price, $45 for 20 servings. Wild caught seafood, ethically raised chicken, etc. is also incredibly expensive. We balance it out slightly by growing quite a bit of our own vegetables and trading for often used fruits and vegetables that we do not grow ourselves, but this is not an option for all people. My wife and I do not have children. I cannot imagine what eating this way would cost a family of 4.
 
Oct 27, 2017
7,671
This forum is the worst when it comes to any discussion of eating plant based/vegan. Everyone bitches about climate change. There are threads on how Trump doesn't believe in climate change and everyone looses their shit over it. But when it comes down to actual change and contribution to the issue no one wants to give up their precious dead animal flesh. And going plant based really isn't just about the environment, its a 3 fold thing. Environment, Health, and the Morality of it. Take your pick there really isn't a solid argument against any of those. It all comes to down to your taste buds and selfishness.

Going vegan was the single easiest thing I've ever done in my life. People make way to big of a deal out of the matter spouting bs like "protein tho", "b12 tho", "cost to much tho"...when in reality none of these are true.
You are not looking at what it takes to modify people's behavior in a realistic or rational way. A more realistic goal would be to look at the problem from the perspective of minimizing meat and dairy consumption rather than eliminating it altogether. Our recent ancestors (think early 1900s) ate meat two meals a week on average. This was due to the economics of meat consumption rather than less desire to consume animal proteins. The single most effective way of minimizing meat and dairy consumption without draconian prohibition would be to make it much more expensive. The path to doing that is to eliminate the livestock and livestock feed subsidies contained within the farm bill. You will achieve cutting meat consumption drastically in doing so because meat production will be drastically more expensive for the producers and that cost will be passed on to consumers.
 

EnronERA

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,056
I only have meat for one meal a day and it is normally some sort of seafood although we do eat chicken from time to time. I have a burger once a month because I fucking love burgers. Dairy is my main issue. I have lupus so I cannot be in the sun. I take vitamins and have a glass of milk (8 ounces) each day. It's really not that big of a deal, but admittedly...it is expensive to eat this way. I have vegan protein powder and it's, at it's lowest sale price, $45 for 20 servings. Wild caught seafood, ethically raised chicken, etc. is also incredibly expensive. We balance it out slightly by growing quite a bit of our own vegetables and trading for often used fruits and vegetables that we do not grow ourselves, but this is not an option for all people. My wife and I do not have children. I cannot imagine what eating this way would cost a family of 4.

a lot of money, that's how much.

Over the last few months ive been trying to not eat out as much, eat mostly fish or chicken for protein (and going for wild caught as much as possible), and eat way more plant based stuff along with reducing sugar and sodium drastically. The grocery bill whenever i go to the store now is a shocker. It's definitely not for everyone.
 
Oct 27, 2017
7,671
People don't talk about this as a viable way to combat climate change because even with the amount of people living on the planet right now we are already vastly overusing the resources the earth can provide for us. First world countries use a huge amount more resources than developing nations even when they have a much smaller population than them.

The only way to combat climate change at this point is to have people in developed nations consume less and lead more sustainable lives while putting money and legislation in effect to make sure developing nations industrialize with sustaible energy to lessen their environmental impact as they grow.

Yes, this is true. And going by this exact logic, it is a hilariously misguided to think that carbon equivalent emmisions will some how subside with a world population leveling out at 12 billion people because that inevitably implies all of them will prioritize standard of living and modern conveniences over subsistence living. It is actually the people with fewer kids in highly developed nations doing all the polluting.

This is the paradox we will have to mitigate via technology and good policy decisions.

I will give you a recipe for winning this battle:
-sustainable power sources such as next gen nuclear and renewables
-electric vehicles leveraging advanced battery technologies for extended range and fast charging times and/or internal combustion engine cars fueled with net zero emission plant based fuels like methanol, ethanol, or bio diesel
-fix the farm bill to remove subsidies for livestock and livestock feed crops, making meat and dairy much more expensive (reflective of actual cost to produce)
-provide financial incentives for people to only have 2 or less children
 

TCi

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
661
Doesn't seem this take into account future lab grown meat that is coming in a few years. Not sure how much that will affect it, but it might take time for it to both be attractive and have high production compared to today's offerings.

Not that this is a good reason to ignore the report. But would be interesting to see how it will affect our way of life. Growing meat exactly how we want it.
 

Firestar

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
53
Canada
This forum is the worst when it comes to any discussion of eating plant based/vegan. Everyone bitches about climate change. There are threads on how Trump doesn't believe in climate change and everyone looses their shit over it. But when it comes down to actual change and contribution to the issue no one wants to give up their precious dead animal flesh. And going plant based really isn't just about the environment, its a 3 fold thing. Environment, Health, and the Morality of it. Take your pick there really isn't a solid argument against any of those. It all comes to down to your taste buds and selfishness.

Going vegan was the single easiest thing I've ever done in my life. People make way to big of a deal out of the matter spouting bs like "protein tho", "b12 tho", "cost to much tho"...when in reality none of these are true.

Very well said, but it's not just this forum. It's just more surprising to realize it's the same here as anywhere else for this. I can hardly take any thread on climate change seriously because it's just loads of people getting upset about their government or corporations for not doing all the work for them. You need to do what you can first on an individual level before you can criticize others or its just hypocrisy. In this case, recent studies seem to say going vegan is the answer.
 
Oct 27, 2017
7,671
i see some girls are still peddling overpopulation myths

westerners will come up with anything to deflect the bold-faced fact that they consume an extremely disproportionate amount of resources

XwHyVgR.gif
It's not a myth at all. The whole system is tied together. The reason there are so many people in developing nations is because they are doing the bidding of rich westerners. Their growing populations are enabled by western demand because they are working manufacturing jobs which allow them to grow their families and desire to live lives like westerners already have. And who can blame them? But it is this very system that will produce 12 billion middle class convenience seeking people at the end of the day. And that is a disaster in the making.
 

Krauser Kat

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,700
How about this:

Too few vegan things taste good, and the things that do taste good still pale in comparison to the non-vegan alternative.
Learning how to cook changes this outlook.
Vegan food is just food you cook it and eat it and it tastes amazing like everything else. i have had brussel sprouts with an amazing sauce on it be one of the greatest bites of food i have ever had.
 

CoolSuezo

Member
Oct 27, 2017
32
Well, I'm lactose intolerant, so put fried tofu in every grocery store and I'm pretty much good. I like meat well enough, but I would be fine replacing it with tofu, seitan, etc. 95% of the time.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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So you'd rather eat blended and reconstituted insects over beans? We already grow beans and they're nutritious as hell, why take extra, creepy-crawly steps just so you can eat animals?

Mealworms ground with beetroot is scrumptious and the impact on the environment is minimal considering they can be fed with waste from vegetables or things such as wheat byproducts

If you keep pet rabbits, guinea pigs or goats they can also eat dried manure from these mixed with the wheat byproduct.

It makes total sense
 

ruggiex

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,079
I would think stop subsidizing (in the US) and over-producing dairy probably should be considered as solution as well.
 

Principate

Member
Oct 31, 2017
11,186
And the non-westerners are gaining up on us.
Some are but if you remove the "westerner" term and just look at economically strong countries relative to everyone else in terms of resource usage it's really not close. These countries using far too many resources is the root cause not children being born in third world countries that barely eat, use minimal electricity and are forced to be self sufficient. That's going to have barely any impact at all. It's not like all that many of these resources are going to them in the first place. If these countries grow to the point their a problem sure but you don't start there. Overpopulation isn't even near our biggest problem here. Unsustainable and excessive lifestyle is.

It's pointing fingers while ignoring the actual problem.
 

Ahasverus

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
4,599
Colombia
After thousands of year of generations enjoying meat I don't find fair at all that it is me who must sacrifice it.

So fuck it. Fuck it all.
 

Rocket Man

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,509
The solution definitely is that we need to figure out new ways to produce meat and dairy with significantly lower environmental footprints. People aren't going to change their food consumption habits in any meaningful way.

Overpopulation isn't an issue at all if our overall footprint is reduced, and the best way to do that is innovating new technologies, not trying to change the way people behave (unfortunately).
 

Buzzman

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,549
It does to aggressive/militant vegans.

It's hard to not see these studies, because Vegans everywhere never miss an opportunity to let us all know and what terrible people we are, that's for sure
Cool dude, want to talk about the topic at hand or are you just here to take some pot-shots at vegans?
I don't understand why people get so annoyed. We're talking about y'know, not destroying the planet for future generations. But obviously the worst thing you can do is remind people of it. We're pretty okay with people preaching and being pushy about racism because it's considered fucking important. But somehow being preachy about reducing the carbon footprint and not trying to go extinct is met with such scorn and contempt.
 

ToTheMoon

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,324
This forum is the worst when it comes to any discussion of eating plant based/vegan. Everyone bitches about climate change. There are threads on how Trump doesn't believe in climate change and everyone looses their shit over it. But when it comes down to actual change and contribution to the issue no one wants to give up their precious dead animal flesh. And going plant based really isn't just about the environment, its a 3 fold thing. Environment, Health, and the Morality of it. Take your pick there really isn't a solid argument against any of those. It all comes to down to your taste buds and selfishness.

Going vegan was the single easiest thing I've ever done in my life. People make way to big of a deal out of the matter spouting bs like "protein tho", "b12 tho", "cost to much tho"...when in reality none of these are true.

I like this post.

Going vegan isn't even an option for a significant portion of the population. Many people are lucky if they even have access to fresh food.

If you literally cannot cut back on meat / dairy without putting your health at risk, then I don't think anyone is going to berate you for that.

However, the vast majority of opposed posters aren't citing that as their reasoning.
 

offtopic

Banned
Nov 21, 2017
2,694
As summed up in that article, agriculture/land use as it pertains to beef production has staggering environmental impacts (not just climate change but destruction of biodiversity, water depletion, air and water pollution, destruction of rain forests, desertification and so on) and I would completely support a substantial sin tax on beef (which I do consume albeit infrequently) in addition to a carbon tax. The argument really must be that we should just consume LESS as that is far more feasible than telling people to go vegan or GTFO (the article basically talks about just cutting back). So, if you eat beef 5x/week you can make a huge impact by dropping that that 2x/week. You can still have your burger or steak but just don't make that choice as frequently.

The article alludes to the point that some beef/livestock is probably a good thing for the environment - tropical and temperate grasslands and some types of forest have always had some type of large herbivore present to fulfill that important ecological role. That usually entails some sort of keystone or apex predator that keeps those numbers in check. As humans don't do real well sharing real estate with dangerous predators we have to take on that ecological role (so we should consume whatever number of herbivores that amounts to). But yeah, that number is an incredibly tiny percent of beef that we currently consume.

For those comparing it to population, that is sort of a different variable in the equation that models the environmental impact we have (I=PxAxT). We also have less direct control on population choices (beyond how many kids we have). The best we can do is try and use our resources to support developing countries through their demographic transition to industrialization (and post-industrialization where populations typically decline). If we can support them using sustainable philosophies (this gets into critical issues like family planning and women's rights) and technologies we can maximize their chance of making it through the transition while minimizing the Impact of their population spike.