Transgender people
We are not a disease.
And wow you mean people out there are bigoted toward trans people? I did not know that, Thanks man.
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Teacher was "forced" to resign for using a trans student's last name instead of preferred one.
- Thread starter Inugami
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Transgender people
We are not a disease.
And wow you mean people out there are bigoted toward trans people? I did not know that, Thanks man.
Transgender People, literally the only people who use transgenderism are basically conservatives and TERFS,
To all those people spouting about "What's wrong with using last names?" You do realize that said teacher would obviously refer to said student by the Mr/Ms the student doesn't align with right? If it's against his "beliefs" to refer to the student by their preferred name, he isn't going to magically be okay with gendering the student in the way they identify with...It's no less transphobic
That being said the teacher is gross and his beliefs are grosser. As an ally with trans/gnc/nb friends I love them all and referring to them by their preferred name/pro-nouns is the simplest thing ever.
That being said the teacher is gross and his beliefs are grosser. As an ally with trans/gnc/nb friends I love them all and referring to them by their preferred name/pro-nouns is the simplest thing ever.
Even my high school in a small town in Michigan had plenty of teachers who would ask what students would like to be called. This teacher was blatantly avoiding the rules instead of showing the student a bit of common courtesy, and he definitely wasn't compromising. The attitude towards him is warranted.
On the very first day of school, I ask kids if they have any nicknames.
I do warn them, though, that I'll call that kid by the name they give me, for the entire year.
So far, I've had "Dovahkiin" and "Cash, Money, Ya Dig?," among plenty of other realistic nicknames, come up.
I called them by those names for the entire year; and I still do.
I do warn them, though, that I'll call that kid by the name they give me, for the entire year.
So far, I've had "Dovahkiin" and "Cash, Money, Ya Dig?," among plenty of other realistic nicknames, come up.
I called them by those names for the entire year; and I still do.
That was one(1) very mundane and simple policy he had to follow to keep his job. Don't follow it, get fired.
I wish I had you as a teacher, you sound amazing. I'm just picturing a teacher now calling on students like "What were the economic factors that led to the great depression... Cash, Money, Ya Dig, can you answer that for us please?"
No it doesn't
If school rules were outside recess and a teacher with a student in a wheelchair decided one day that access ramps were against his religion (libertarianism) so now no one gets to go outside... Would you be saying he's being less abelist because he's keeping everyone inside because of the one student?
man breaks extremely clear, extremely simple, and extremely easy to follow policy, gets punished.
'i'm being bullied! this is oppressive! please rehire me!'
my, how sensitive.
'i'm being bullied! this is oppressive! please rehire me!'
my, how sensitive.
Well said. Doing this simple gesture would have cost this teacher nothing, and now doing the opposite cost them their job (and possibly career).
Where's a microscopic violin when you need one?
I remember having a French Teacher who straight up asked the whole class if they had a name they preferred as opposed to their given one.
I remember having a French Teacher who straight up asked the whole class if they had a name they preferred as opposed to their given one.
I think that teacher will sue the school and probably win. Ultimately they called a student by their name. Your last name is part of your name and you can be called by it. In his case it was clearly an act of passive aggression because he doesn't approve of the student's sexual identification but the action used to do this was something that a person could do. Is the school seriously going to go into a court of law and say we effectively fired a teacher for using a student's name to address them?
Since the state is an at will employment state it could stand though. I think the discrimination will probably need to be more blatant than it is to force the teacher out.
I don't know what it is with people. I learned long ago how to be in the presence of someone that doesn't approve of me and or that I don't approve of them and to just be ok with it and deal with them like anyone else. Being a minority at work in a job that has me in and out of random people's homes you encounter that sort of stuff all the time. I walked into a house of a couple that were clearly Nazis with the swastika and all showing in their home. Did my job and left. Wasn't a big deal. Tolerance is vital to have as a working adult because the world is filled with different people. People seriously need to learn to get over themselves.
He resigned himself and he has also admitted to what he did in multiple interviews. He's made it clear the issue here is his freedom of speech so that's what he's going to have to win any case on. Good luck.
The discrimination couldn't be any more blatant. He openly explained why he did it.
I guess what I meant is that if he called every student by their last name for his entire career as a teacher, then it'd just be something he did, rather than something he did to single out a trans student. By doing it for everyone he's ever taught, it'd be less obviously transphobic than singling out a trans student, and calling them by their last name only. I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm just saying that doing something in a way that doesn't single a person out makes it less overtly targeted. I guess if your point is that, if he started doing it for everyone after the trans student asked him to use their correct name, then yes, I agree with you.
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He specifically changed his habits to find a loophole for the new rule.
He only called his students by their last name for one semester.
This was not some long standing habit.
Knowing lots of teachers that refer to students by their last name, I was ready to side with the teacher on this. But reading the story is was clearly something done out of pure spite.
And I will also admit to ignorance that I never thought about transgendered people changing their last name along with their first name.
And I will also admit to ignorance that I never thought about transgendered people changing their last name along with their first name.
The story isn't that the student changed their last name, it's that the last name presumably remained unchanged and the teacher decided to use that instead of the student's new, preferred first name in order to avoid acknowledging the change.
I work at a college where we have tons of international students who have preferred names. When we first meet with them we hand them a form asking what their preferred name is (if any). Calling them by their preferred name takes little effort and is a sign of respect. I don't get people like this teacher who throw a hissy fit about a small gesture on his end that means the world to the kid.
I'm pretty sure if a cis boy whose legal name was David asked to be called "Dave," the teacher would have had no issues with it.
I'm pretty sure if a cis boy whose legal name was David asked to be called "Dave," the teacher would have had no issues with it.
You're right. If this was a different situation, it'd be a different situation.
The argument is he called someone by their legal name to discriminate against them. We all know why he did it but you can't really say calling someone by their last name is a harmful act that means you force their resignation. Sometimes people hide their bigotry behind legitimate acts. This is such a case.
If it wasn't a trans student and instead played out like
"Is Johnathon Smith here?"
"Please call me John"
"Ok Smith" *calls him Smith for the rest of the year to the student's clear annoyance*
I'd still expect the teacher to be potentially reprimanded for their behavior. That there's a layer of discrimination on top makes it much worse. It's clearly targeted harassment to one of their own students
"Is Johnathon Smith here?"
"Please call me John"
"Ok Smith" *calls him Smith for the rest of the year to the student's clear annoyance*
I'd still expect the teacher to be potentially reprimanded for their behavior. That there's a layer of discrimination on top makes it much worse. It's clearly targeted harassment to one of their own students
No it's not. Stop that. Here is something he said on record:
I'm saying it's a legitimate act because he called the student by their last name.
I'm saying he hid his bigotry behind it not in the sense that he tried to mask the bigotry but in the sense that he used that legitimate act as a shield for it.
It's not that controversial dude, just call the person the name they want to be called.
Also, apparently I don't know what free speech is since that doesn't seem related.
Also, apparently I don't know what free speech is since that doesn't seem related.
Irrelevant when he openly states his intent in his own defense. Lol.
User banned (1 week): transphobia
A lot of you are really mean.
I can see both sides.
It's complicated.
He didn't call them by their birth name, he called them by their last name. Surely that person with the preferred name still has the same last name. If a student doesn't like to be called by their first name, I am sure you can still call them by their last name, just like anyone you'd speak to when calling customer service over the phone or gettoge any kind of service in person, people tend to call you by your last name.
I get that they wanted to be called by their preferred name but I also understand how he avoided this by calling them by their last name and remaining in neutral grounds.
I can see both sides.
It's complicated.
He didn't call them by their birth name, he called them by their last name. Surely that person with the preferred name still has the same last name. If a student doesn't like to be called by their first name, I am sure you can still call them by their last name, just like anyone you'd speak to when calling customer service over the phone or gettoge any kind of service in person, people tend to call you by your last name.
I get that they wanted to be called by their preferred name but I also understand how he avoided this by calling them by their last name and remaining in neutral grounds.
It's not neutral. Treating someone with basic decency is neutral. Anything less than that is antagonizing.