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Teacher was "forced" to resign for using a trans student's last name instead of preferred one.
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Heck, graduated high school in 2008, and I can remember so many, many times being asked whether a certain shortened name was okay or not or what I preferred. And that was before I had any of this trans stuff figured out.
One less bigoted teacher employed is a good thing to me. Still too many out there, but someday, hopefully...
One less bigoted teacher employed is a good thing to me. Still too many out there, but someday, hopefully...
It wouldn't really be okay either, but the bastard would have a better case to defend his job.
Or you could read the entire thread instead of trying to make quick jokey replies.
Good. He was mocking a young person's identity in front of others. He shouldn't be a teacher, let him scrub toilets from now on. ;-)
Yeah, he's essentially a bigot trying to circumvent the rules, but everyone could tell what he was doing.
Seriously, knock it off. Its fairly obvious what you're doing here. Let me get you this part of the article in the OP.
"Brownsburg High School has a policy that mandates teachers call transgender students by their preferred name, in place of their birth name.
John Kluge, who taught at the high school for four years, disagreed with the rule and said he instead wanted to refer to the student by their last name."
He literally admitted to it, you don't need to try and come up with what if excuses for him.
I think a rule about names is dumb no matter the angle, but if the school is stingy about it then teachers don't have a choice.
Nobody wanted to answer your question, so there.
Damn son its just a name. Is it really that hard to just call them what they prefer? I can't imagine living a life where someone wanting to be called another name because its who they identify as would upsets me.
Deserved it? No. Good on that hypothetical teacher for challenging rules that harms his students. Will he get fired for breaking clearly defined rules? Probably but hopefully another school with more open thinking will gladly accept them. Question answered, even though you wanted to place me in a position of defending bigotry for a "thought experiment".
This is uncontroversial as hell. The guy chose to die on this hill and stage some dumb moral outrage.
He's a teacher, not an arbiter of other people's identities. Good riddance.
He's a teacher, not an arbiter of other people's identities. Good riddance.
You're welcome to report that user. They've done this before during the military ban on transgender people.
Edit: nevermind!
Re: whether he called other students by their last names is addressed in this other article https://www.indystar.com/story/news...-between-brownsburg-teacher-school/670265002/
Basically, he did start calling all his students by last names, but only because he didn't want to call the trans student by their preferred name. It's not like this was always his style and he's only getting in trouble because some kid is making an issue of it.
Basically, he did start calling all his students by last names, but only because he didn't want to call the trans student by their preferred name. It's not like this was always his style and he's only getting in trouble because some kid is making an issue of it.
What is it about this thread in particular that is making people not bother with reading the OP?
He called the student his last name intentionally and clarified why.
there's literally no reason at all he couldn't just call the student the name. why are people being obtuse and defending this dude?
Kind of surprised that the school has a policy of referring to students by their preferred name but does not just assign students official id cards or making an official change to the attendance list.
I didn't read anything about whether or not he is one of those teachers that calls everyone by their last names. If I misssed something I apologize. Like I said I had LOTS of them. I think it's a perfectly reasonable question. If he is then refusing to call the kid by his first name wouldn't single the kid out they'd be treating them the same as everyone else. If he doesn't then yea that's not ok and at the very least the student should be moved out of their class.
All I was saying is that calling students by last names is not at all uncommon in my experience. The full context here is the key. We need to know whether the student is singled out or not
Interesting! So it's a first amendment right to call people whatever you want, is it? I wonder if he'd be fine with his students calling him Shithead to speak up for their political opinion as well. If not then I guess he's got all the free time in the world to exercise his free speech now.
The bullshit beneath the bullshit here is that calling someone by their preferred name isn't even "taking a side" anyway. Even if you're a braindead bigot who gets all flustered and confused at the idea of those with a different gender identity, calling someone by their preferred name neither condones nor rebukes their rights or their place to do so. It's just a name.
You can just read the OP where he specifically said he's doing this because he doesn't agree with using a trans person's preferred name. There's no reason to make excuses, or give him some kind of loophole that justifies this.
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When (if) they go to court, it'll be pretty funny when the court refers to the kid by their legal and not preferred name.
Wouldn't the new preferred name be on the presence sheet or something? I don't know how this works, but I'm guessing the student actually has to lawfully change his/her name for something like this?
I didnt read all the thread so sorry if this has been talked about already.
I didnt read all the thread so sorry if this has been talked about already.
I quoted the procedure like 5 posts above. They get written consent from a parent and a doctor and then their name is changed in the school record system.https://www.resetera.com/threads/te...ad-of-preferred-one.47742/page-4#post-8891077
from: https://www.indystar.com/story/news...-between-brownsburg-teacher-school/670265002/
Seriously if you're given a choice between losing your job or calling John Jane, why would you pick the first choice? Add this to the pile of when keeping it real goes wrong.
He insisted no one get called by their first name because he specifically wanted to avoid calling that student by their first name because he believes trans people are against his religion and that the trans kid was living a dangerous lifestyle.
the School said fine and then said for the next year, you now what fuck that, use their first names like an adult.
Wasn't trying to own anyone or purposefully sound transphobic. I asked a straightforward question to see whether people thought someone should be fired for not following rules or because they were basically bullying a child. Any ambiguity that comes from that is because I didn't immediately identify any particular belief or standing on the issue.
Oh alright, sorry.
Yeah then the teacher is simple a dick if this procedure has been followed.
There are rules about clothing style and hair style for women and men and at numerous points, the physical nature of the distinction between men and women is highlighted. Transgender is never brought up explicitly, but it would be in line with the text to assume that if the bible says "man" or "woman", it refers to sex rather than gender and that the rigid clothing and hair style rules would go against (among others) transgender people's wishes.
Dude like you had just admitted you made it ambiguous on purpose because you wanted to see what would happen.
It's literally the school's rule to call them by their preferred name. He literally said that he disagreed with the rule and that's why he was calling them by their last name. I don't mean to single you out, but everyone needs to get that through their heads. It doesn't matter if you were called by your last name at your school. The rule at this school was to use their preferred name.
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I admit it was ambiguous but only because I hadn't taken a side on the matter. I didn't word it at specific way so I could maybe appear transphobic, I wanted to see what responses would be without giving any bias by stating my own feelings on things. Even the question was not designed to ask whether the guy was right but whether posters stating that not following the rules was the fireable offense actually meant that, or, whether there was a deeper more important theme involved.
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While this grays up the water a tiny bit... At the end of the day, the results are the same. He decided to call students by their last names because he didn't want to validate trans students and their preferred names. There is no arguing this point, he made this very clear that this is his reasoning in every article on this story.
The district policy was to refer to students by their preferred name. He agreed to these rules. He was warned of his behavior. He didn't change his behavior because he didn't agree with it. He was reprimanded and he resigned from his job.
Teacher is a cunt. I do remember in high school though nearly all male students were called my their surname by male teschers.
