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Jazzem

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I don't think he did much more for either games than let the teams pick his brains and give his opinion every so often. He has a day job and no financial stake in the games so he can't really commit in any substantial way.

There was another WB game released recently that claimed he was involved but came out before he'd even touched it.

Ah okay, thanks for the heads up. He's a good sport fair play

Might that other game you're referencing be Wonder Boy Returns?

However, the developer pedogree of the Dragon's Trap remake is arguably just as great as Monster Boy. While Monster Boy has the original series director back at the helm, Dragon's Trap had Omar "Bock" Cornut at the helm. Bock is a god in Sega Master System circles, he is the patriarch of all SMS hacking. He created Meka, an incredibly popular SMS emulator, and runs SMS Power. He is to Wonderboy, what Christian Whitehead and Simon Thomley are to Sonic.

Yeah I remember getting that vibe from interviews with him and other staff there, the WB3 remake was clearly a passion project for him. Hope it's done well for them and that they get the chance to do another WB game, quite a few to pick from

Didn't know about the SMS Power aspect, still need to play their Phantasy Star 1 retranslation sometime
 
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D.Lo

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I don't see how partisianship plays into wider considerations of the general public, but go into any topic about 8-bit games on a decently educated website like Reset Era and you will without a doubt see people mentioning Dragon's Trap.

"Yeah no" and "personally not in my top 10" asides, of course.

In fact, just to test, typed in "best looking 8-bit games" into google, and surprise surprise, a NeoGAF link was the first result, and sure enough, within the first page there are Wonderboy 3 references.
I found the exact thread, a couple of people mentioning a game in a short thread doesn't make it 'widely considered'. It wasn't the most mentioned or agreed with game in the thread by a long shot either, Mario 3 and Kirby were the dominant responses.

Dragon's Trap isn't even the best looking Wonder Boy on Mark III IMO. Monster World SMS, while a busted game, is clearly much better looking and even the original Wonder Boy has more detail in its graphics on average. The jungle area is really the only nicely detailed area in Dragons Trap SMS.

However, the developer pedogree of the Dragon's Trap remake is arguably just as great as Monster Boy. While Monster Boy has the original series director back at the helm, Dragon's Trap had Omar "Bock" Cornut at the helm. Bock is a god in Sega Master System circles, he is the patriarch of all SMS hacking. He created Meka, an incredibly popular SMS emulator, and runs SMS Power. More importantly, he disassembled the Wonderboy III Binary by hand over about two decades, and used his notes from disassembling the game to make the remake as accurate as possible. For example, he used to have a blog post about how exhaustively he recreated the item drop system from the original as accurately to the original logic as possible. He is to Wonderboy, what Christian Whitehead and Simon Thomley are to Sonic.
Yeah it is truly probably the greatest remake project ever undertaken IMO.

It actually fixes the slippy controls of Dragon's trap while leaving them intact too, my adding animation 'tells' to make sense of the slippyness. Which is genius.
 
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Jazzem

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That's the one! It's on PS4 as well, I believe. I haven't played it since it launched and it's been patched a few times since then but it left a very poor impression.

Yeah honestly it's easily the cheapest looking of these recent WB releases, though I still quite like the art style. I suspect it's been made on a tiny budget
 

rawhide

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Yeah honestly it's easily the cheapest looking of these recent WB releases, though I still quite like the art style. I suspect it's been made on a tiny budget

Probably, but it's a very simple game and pretty much every aspect was broken: animation, character movement, enemy patterns, everything.
 

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I found the exact thread, a couple of people mentioning a game in a short thread doesn't make it 'widely considered'. It wasn't the most mentioned or agreed with game in the thread by a long shot either, Mario 3 and Kirby were the dominant responses.

What makes it "widely considered" is that it's not an "exact thread." Within the search, on the first page of results, I found multiple topics where people were listing Wonderboy. And your goal posts have moved, apparently, to it not being widely considered one of the best looking games of the 8-bit era because other, more well known games are cited more frequently, despite evidence that it's incredibly easy to find the opinion that Wonderboy III looks great. And it's especially silly when you acknowledge Mario 3 is widely considered to have some of the best graphics of the era, when Wonderboy shares essentially the same art style.

Hell, Dragon's Trap isn't even the best looking Wonder Boy on Mark III IMO. Monster World SMS, while a busted game, is clearly much better looking and even the original Wonder Boy has more detail in its graphics on average. The jungle area is really the only nicely detailed area in Dragons Trap SMS.

"Yeah, no." Monster World straight up looks ugly in a lot of spots. And the main sprite for Shion looks like he's a hunch back because they couldn't recreate the exact sprite dimensions from the Genesis game due to the cell width and height limitations of the SMS.
 

AVtechNICK

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Okay, the PR guy on YouTube said that they're planning to release the PC version this winter, and, boy, I'm so disappointed.
 

Kaako

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Also did not like the song choice in this trailer at all. Everything else was pretty great.
 
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Probably, but it's a very simple game and pretty much every aspect was broken: animation, character movement, enemy patterns, everything.

D'oh, that's a shame :( Like many I'm more keen on the later RPG esque WB titles but I still find the original charming, it deserves better.

Okay, the PR guy on YouTube said that they're planning to release the PC version this winter, and, boy, I'm so disappointed.

Weirdly enough that mirrors the Dragon's Trap remake, that came later on PC also. Wonder if Monster Boy will also get a mod to put in the comic characters from the Brazillian version of WB3:

 

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Regarding the "spiritual successor" status of this game -- is it even merely a spiritual successor anymore? I mean, it's outright considered a part of the Wonder Boy series officially now, licensing the brand from LAT. By many accounts, they actually could call this Wonder Boy if they wanted to, they just don't want to. I mean, the game trailer itself has a huge Wonder Boy logo for the anniversary, and it uses actual Wonder Boy music. The original series creator is credited as being part of the dev team -- and even then, he didn't work on one of the most acclaimed entries in the series (Monster World III) so it's not like his involvement dictates cannon in the first place.

I feel comfortable straight up calling it a sequel at this point, not merely a spiritual successor.
 

D.Lo

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"Yeah, no." Monster World straight up looks ugly in a lot of spots. And the main sprite for Shion looks like he's a hunch back because they couldn't recreate the exact sprite dimensions from the Genesis game due to the cell width and height limitations of the SMS.
It definitely does, it has higher highs though, parts that look like early Mega Drive. Dragon's Trap has some crud too though, plain flat colour backgrounds in random colours half the time, but then detail at other times, like the jungle and canyons. Mouse man looks like crap and so do many enemies. It's just very inconsistent. Most of the game is very plain simple backgrounds, very repetitive and low detail. Mario 3 has vastly more variety while looking quite similar art wise, as expected given it was on a bigger cart to have more tiles, and the Famicom had free sprite flipping so could use cart memory much more efficiently than the Mark III too. And also much better style consistency
 

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It definitely does, it has higher highs though, parts that look like early Mega Drive. Dragon's Trap has some crud too though, plain flat colour backgrounds in random colours half the time, but then detail at other times, like the jungle and canyons. Mouse man looks like crap and so do many enemies. It's just very inconsistent. Most of the game is very plain simple backgrounds, very repetitive and low detail. Mario 3 has vastly more variety while looking quite similar art wise, as expected given it was on a bigger cart to have more tiles, and the Famicom had free sprite flipping so could use cart memory much more efficiently than the Mark III too. And also much better style consistency

I don't find that Mouse Man looks like crap at all, I think he's actually one of the best looking sprites in the game. And your complaint about flat looking solid color backgrounds is odd, because that flat style works with the chibi/SD and bubble-style art they use. in fact, Mario 3 does the same thing quite often. That's why it works, because the art style of the blocks and enemies, which are all bright and bold and poppy, are meant to be sparsely detailed.
 

sir_crocodile

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Day 1. Where's the release date?

Amazon have it for the 25th of September, dunno if that's a placeholder or final though

It definitely does, it has higher highs though, parts that look like early Mega Drive. Dragon's Trap has some crud too though, plain flat colour backgrounds in random colours half the time, but then detail at other times, like the jungle and canyons. Mouse man looks like crap and so do many enemies. It's just very inconsistent. Most of the game is very plain simple backgrounds, very repetitive and low detail. Mario 3 has vastly more variety while looking quite similar art wise, as expected given it was on a bigger cart to have more tiles, and the Famicom had free sprite flipping so could use cart memory much more efficiently than the Mark III too. And also much better style consistency

I'd go with Gargoyle's Quest 2. Some lovely detail in the side scrolling sections.
 

LuigiV

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That trailer gave me some Maple Story flashbacks. Partly because of the animation style, partly because the music reminded me of the c-pop my high school friend had playing on loop as I watched him grind away.
 

SPRidley

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Looks really good, but I prefer the look of some of the stuff a lot more in the remake.
I dont think the more digital ink a colour is that bad at all but the hand drawn rough pencil look artsyle from the remake felt more beautiful. Both felt anime in different ways.
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At least its MUCH better than whatever digital static looking shit they were going at first:
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The new backgrounds are absolutely great in the cusrsed kingdom, although i dont know if im a fan of completely static characters in the town's background. Idle animations would have made it look better.
 
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The Dink

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Oh whoa. I was expecting another visual upgrade to an older game but this is a straight up new game altogether isn't it? I'll definitely be picking this up.
 

FallenGrace

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The theme is amazing. Reminds me of the English Dragonball GT theme. I love cheesey stuff like that lol.

Game genuinely looks awesome though.
 

Dreamwriter

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Looks great - as someone who had never played any of the "Monster Boy"/"Wonder Boy in Monster World" games, I loved the Dragon's Trap remake, and this looks like what you would expect from a sequel to it, with more abilities, more using different abilities together, and sharper graphics. I loved the hand-animated look of Dragon's Trap, but I also like the sharp video-gamey look of this one.

For the song, at one point I expected them to start singing "Gummy Bears! Bouncing here and there and everywhere!"
 

Chackan

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D'oh, that's a shame :( Like many I'm more keen on the later RPG esque WB titles but I still find the original charming, it deserves better.



Weirdly enough that mirrors the Dragon's Trap remake, that came later on PC also. Wonder if Monster Boy will also get a mod to put in the comic characters from the Brazillian version of WB3:



As someone who read a lot of "Turma da Monica" when I was a kid, that is amazing lol
 

HyGogg

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The progression of this game has been bizarre...

It started out looking like a mobile game and compared horribly to the Dragon's Trap remake, but each revision has made it look more and more like the Dragon's Trap remake...

Looks actually good now, not liking the animu song though.
Your video link doesn't work for some reason.

For those that don't know, this game actually started out as a failed Kickstarter game called Flying Hamster 2. It was later retooled into the early versions of Monster Boy, and then later had the graphics overhauled again.

 

rocketpunch

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The game looks great and I love the cheesy theme song. It's reminiscent of Adventures of the Gummi Bears and other 80s/90s cartoons.

 

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Hi Everyone, very happy to read you enjoyed the trailer. For those who disliked our song choice: There's an option menu in the game to switch to the OV (Japanese) song. Always good to have a choice, right? :)
 

DaveB

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That looks great! I didn't have a Master System as a kid, so the remake of The Dragon's Trap was my first exposure to the series. It makes me happy to see that this remake looks to be equally as polished, despite coming from a totally different developer. You can see the love in their work.

I'm definitely in on day one, probably going to go digital like I did with Dragon's Trap.
 

DJKippling

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Game looks amazing! No idea how long ago it was when I first went in on the kickstarter for flying hamster 2.

Please god tell me that music isn't in the game though. Definitely the worst music for a game I've heard this year.
 

Het_Nkik

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Huh. This looks a lot better than the last time I saw it. It looked so... budget before.