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Steam's content policy is both arrogant and cowardly - Eurogamer
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Like that time they delisted Depression Quest to appease their alt-right overlords
Don't forget to report hate groups you find on steam. If you find something you believe it is wrong, always report.
I believe there's no law attached or needed. The Belgium Gambling Comission decided it's gambling, so it's subject to the pre-existing gambling laws.
What people fail to see is that deciding whether loot boxes are gambling or not is not a decision that defaults to "they're not". Each country is now making that decision, and until they've done so, they're in a quite literal gray area.
This would be a pretty good idea, I mean YouTube is doing it right now.
Which begs the question, is Valve openly supportive of any of that stuff. as a company. I can't find any news of them supporting stuff like that, which kind of goes with the whole they don't take a stance of anything sort of thing.
Nah your interpretation is off base. He's saying that Valve's previous stance to block or remove certain games did not infringe upon someone's free speech as was argued before. That Valve shouldnt feel any guilt for their actions as they own the platform.
The laws of free speech do not apply in any way in this space so its bullshit for Valve to even mention that bullshit defense.
Do they do anything at all for Pride? I haven't logged into Steam for about a year. You'd think, with the way every other company is falling over themselves to show the world how Pride-friendly they are...
The games still got publicized. Instead of just not allowing them on the platform to begin with. I'm sure you can google the game and find some other way to play it.
Also it's great that you use a school shooting game as your example. Because you know, video games aren't blamed enough for school shootings. There definitely needs to be video games focused on it.
I really cba to argue this with you because from past experience you are actually mental in never refusing to concede a point, but grouping something into an existing law is different to creating a new law, and unless Belgiums jurisprudence works very differently to most other jurisdictions, its not "law" until it has been tested as case law, and probably gone through at least a round of appeals given the money involved.
So like I say; lets see how that goes.
Free speech is a US constitutional right, but it is also a principle that that constitutional right was put in place to protect.
Valve have overtly stated that they do not want to serve as gatekeepers of content.
The issue is that too many people love to label anything Alt-Right that doesn't meet their ethics. Because the way I see it, there is actual hateful content that made with the intent to preach racism and bigotry, and then there is content that may just be distasteful to someone's sensibilities or doesn't have the right progressive values. The first one can label alt-right, the latter and former is not.
You may find a visual novel about a brother and sister immoral, but that does not mean or should be banned. You may find a game about someone that is sexist looking to get laid left and right, immoral, but that does not mean it should be banned.
Valve has every right to run their store how they see fit. They can take a page from Blockbuster and not carry NC-17 movies or they can ignore that and not be moral arbitrators.
If the video game industry wants to be taken seriously I cannot regress to the regressive morality other media went through 50-60 years ago. I can go into my local bookstore right now and I can pick up an erotic novel involving cousins fucking.
As many others have said, we are fine with them not approving a game that is about white supremacy and promotes violence or hate towards minorities, just like most bookstores do already. And you can bet your ass they will still crack down on those.
As for communities themselves where actual hate speech festers? I agree that those need to be eliminated because they are not actually even discussing games but making it their own little forum.
And the game got removed. Clearly this was to please that audience that they removed it, right ?
Video games are also blamed for everything that goes wrong when it comes to teenagers, so i don't pay attention to the hand waving Americans have for having policies to allow to buy weapons of war just next to the vegetables counter.
Drag Steam through the mud for this absurd position. The largest PC gaming platform in the world and they want to do zero pre-approval to keep shit out of their store.
They don't do anything themed except for seasonal sales.
They don't do anything themed except for seasonal sales.
There is a game developed by the DHS and the american army where you can play a teacher and a school shooter to train how to act in those situation.
They have the right to make that choice one way or another. Free speech didnt matter before or after this decision. It will never apply.
Spot on. Why do I have to be exposed to all those disgusting porno simulators or violent simulators or racist? Valve was right to remove all those erotic games. They are disgusting and degrading and should have had no place on STEAM.
Artistic expression is widely considered part of free speech.
again; the principle, not the article of the US constitution.
I really can't say. People like to throw around "this is alt-right", "that is alt-right", etc. I haven't played them. But I agree with ignoring content you don't care for.
I've always liked Valve for their dedication to the open nature of PC gaming and giving people a platform to release their own content (within the laws and ToS). I think they should stick with it. But with something like that comes content that not everybody is going to like, enjoy, and that may even be morally reprehensible. It honestly comes with the territory because not everybody in the world is a fantastic human being, unfortunately. When you have freedom without moderation, it becomes the wild west. People have different views and opinions, some of which may be terrible.
They never cared. Valve is just another libertarian tech company run by rich white men who don't give a shit about anything other than money.
I just thought it was really funny that Valves big response to all the crap that's flooded their storefront was "ya know what...I'm gonna give even LESS of a damn now! *counts billions and goes back to not making half life*"
While I can't find exact numbers their market share seems to be anywhere from 50-75%. Most people would consider that a monopoly.
Well, Half-Life is a terrible serie. So I hope they don't waste time making another one indeed. Now about Left 4 Dead... :'')
I think they did just that. They said " we shouldn't be determining what the customer can or can't buy, with the exception of illegal or troll content".
This is where I am tbh. I'm fine with what Valve are doing here.
Every customer is free to vote with their wallet and not buy the games in question, or not use Steam at all.
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STEAM is basically a hotbed for the alt-right. Valve has spoke loud and clear that they support this shit. I'm at the point where I'm just done with this fucking industry. The alt-right won, they've infected every community, every game with their non-sense. I can't escape from it as I see the hate everywhere I go. I'm going insane.
The principle still remains that valve can gatekeep however it wants unless you want to also argue that free speech only applies to consumers.
Artistic expression is immune to law anyway.
I'm glad to see this thread since I'm listening to Kinda Funny Games Daily right now and while I do like these guys a lot, Jared's take on the subject is making my blood boil. That's some Colin 2.0 garbage rethoric right there.
Yeah I dont think anything has changed since Gabe Newell personally emailed the fucking Hatred dev to apologize.
"Just offend everyone equally" is a fallacy and a pretty shitty stance though.
That's for sure. Your posts in this thread make not a lick of sense, dude.
What sort of absurd claim is this? Do you have any evidence at all to support this?
Tencent has the biggest PC marketshare and its not close
League of Legends alone is bigger than steam
I mean Valve removed the "offending games" by Aids Simulator dev/pub today.
The biggest problem right now is that Valve, as always, didnt really specify what they mean by "offensive" games and now journalists and us gamers dont know what they mean by that. Offensive is not the same as hateful. Like I said. A game about a german soldier in WW2 that humanizes him might be offensive to some people, but wouldnt be hateful.
A game called "Kill all jews" is offensive AND hateful and would be removed under Steams current TOS and might be seen as a "trolling" game.
That's not the case at all, look at how well those asset flip games tend to do. They're not reaching millions but they're making plenty back. Agony is sitting somewhere between 50k and 100k users.
Calling this "liberty" is really cute.
What does that have to do with anything? You cant go sell your game on Leauge of Legends' store.
Agony isnt a shovelware game though.
And its also available on consoles.
Oh se were back to business as usual. What Valve removes and what it doesnt have always been super vague and inconsistent.
Does YouTube still block LGBT content and put anti-LGBT adverts on LGBT content?
Oh yeah, it does.
YouTube can get fucked in the bin.
I think people like us and journalists jump to conclusions and right now we dont have a clue what Valve means with "offensive" games or not.
Like I said. "Kill all the gays" is offensive and hateful, a game where you play as a german soldier who is humanized might only be offensive, but not hateful. A game like Senran Kagura is offensive and sexist and you might argue it might be hateful towards women.
Thank God they have stopped with this...
Someday someone will outlaw Xenoblade because reasons.
Living in a country with a history of censorship, I believe that moral values shouldn't be imposed. People moral actions should be judged by the public, not by companies or government's
Someday someone will outlaw Xenoblade because reasons.
Living in a country with a history of censorship, I believe that moral values shouldn't be imposed. People moral actions should be judged by the public, not by companies or government's
It's ok though because Steam has great deals and we make memes and gifs of Gaben and his knives.
Valve can do no wrong.
Valve can do no wrong.
I see numerous communities devoted to alt-right ideology. They get taken down but, pop upa gain and the users never get banned. I've seen numerous games that are flat out offensive not be taken down.
Valve do not have a monopoly because none of the biggest players are on Steam