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Kelly Marie Tran has deleted her Instagram posts due harassment she has received after TLJ (Read OP)
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But I wanted to get across how awful I truly feel the movie was. While simultaneously stating my disgust for those who would attack individuals personally for being in a movie.
I really didn't like the last Jedi. I truly think it was awful. It didn't even feel like a star wars movie. JJ is going to bring it with the next episode I'm very optimistic.
I'm glad that you made it clear that the most important thing about the harassment of Kelly Marie Tran is that The Last Jedi is an affront to humanity.
The point is the movie really is an abomination to Star Wars, but in no way does that make it ok to harass someone. As in the movie is that terrible, that is really does deserve criticism, but in no way in any shape or form should be directed in the form of online harassment to individuals.
I have to ask people who make posts like this: if you saw someone harassing Kelly in real life, how would you handle the situation?
"That guy was a real jerk to you right now. I'm sorry about that. Your movie was an abomination and I hated your character but, I mean, that was too much."
Probably not like that. Because most people realize that would be rude and insensitive. And that's ignoring the fact that obsessively speaking in hyperbolic terms such as "the film was an abomination" only adds to the toxic atmosphere that was created in the first place.
Your opinion on The Last Jedi isn't important. This isn't the place for it. There are multiple threads on the film itself where you can state how "awful" it is over and over again. This discussion is about a woman being harassed to the point where she felt the need to delete her social media accounts.
People have been pushed to suicide over situations like this. No one cares if you didn't like the new Star Wars film.
If you believe the most important thing in this thread is the harrassment of KMT (and i agree that it is), why waste time focusing on that poster's distaste for the movie?
I feel differently. I care to hear from people that they disliked the movie and are also condemning the assholes harrassing. I disagree with the boundaries you have set for this discussion — why not adhere to them yourself by focusing on what you and the other poster agree on - that the harassment is disgusting? Why spend so much time trying to police the parameters for discussion instead of focusing on the areas of agreement?
Rather unlikely. If anything he's idolised and sympathised with.
I'd say more Kylo Ren. They'd wish they could've been married to Natalie Portman.Do you think these entitled bellends realise who they're acting like yet? Here's a hint:
User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Derailment + History of infractions for disruptive behavior.
I get that you're upset that I'm criticising a film that you like, but come on. I've expressed my disgust for people that would do such a thing to an actress in this situation. I'm expressing my opinion that the film is so utterly disappointing that a backlash is understandable. I've made it so very clear that personal attacks are pathetic. It's a reasonable opinion relevant to the conversation. You want to pretend that everyone loves the movie and what I'm saying isn't true?
I think the question is, when women suffer online abuse, why are responses to the abuse prefaced with how much they don't like the woman or her work?
Ah
I wonder how many minds would break if Mark tweeted out "luke would hate you trolls"
Though that would be met with "oh I'm sure he isn't talking about ME"
Slight adjustment to your question: I would put it as "why is it prefaced with how much they didn't like her work or her character?" (i make this adjustment because anyone making a statement about not liking her as a person is just wrong at the outset because they don't know her). To answer your question, honestly i think it's because that's the vantage point from which they're entering into the conversation — they are people who didn't like the movie or the character, but who are rightfully disturbed or disgusted by the harassment by those who've taken their distaste and wrongly turned it into hate for a person. I can't object to that way of entering into the conversation because that's how I myself would enter into it. Others come into it from other starting points, providing insight into the experience of being harassed, etc., and that's even more important, but for those whose connection to the story is their experience with TLJ, i can't be upset so long as they rightfully condemn the harassment.
But could you answer my question?
I'm getting flashbacks to when ppl just absolutely had to preface their sympathies towards Zak Snyder regarding his daughter's suicide with how much they hated BvS or when ppl just needed to say how much they hated Ghostbusters 2016 when Leslie Jones had her nudes leaked and was getting harassed
Wait people actually did that??? Like what in the actual fuck!
You generally see it in circumstances where others are harassing / ridiculing or supporting the harassment / ridicule of someone whose work is disliked. If you're one of those people who dislike that work, it feels normal to come at it from the vantage point of "hey, i don't like this either but i don't support or condone this terrible behavior." Another example would be when someone who is a Christian does something terrible "in the name of Jesus" and other Christians come out and say "hey, I'm a Christian but this is totally wrong."
just because people do it a lot doesn't mean it's good/ necessary
I'm saying that it's reasonable and that it doesn't necessarily signify some moral failing on their part.
You think it's reasonable for someone to preface that they don't like a man's movie when giving condolences for his daughter's suicide?
Kylo works too!
"I want ever bot we have to tweet harassment at that woman."
"KEEP TWEETING!!!"
The point is, if you were actually trying to comfort that person in person, you'd skip that part for obvious reasons, so on some level, you know it doesn't add anything.
Just like saying for Zack Snyder, "well, I don't like his movies, but I'll keep his family in my thoughts". That first part isn't necessary.
And anyone that would go "I thought you all hated her character, why do you care if the actress is being harassed" would be the obvious asshole.
Every time Mark says something the cretins just go "It's not what he really believes, Disney is forcing him to say it! FREE MARK!!!"
Oh right I forgot that they go with that
Those fanatics sure are something and I say that while on the Disney payroll...
.....send help D:
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Listen, you have to understand that by now everyone is sick and tired of hearing peoples opinions of TLJ. It's been talked about to death in dozens of threads.
We quite literally have a thread made every day about starwars and the conversation is always derailed by people talking about how much they hate TLJ, even when it's not the subject being discussed.
So excuse us when we get a little upset that people are still continuing this asinine pattern of derailment in a thread where a woman was harassed for playing a character in a movie.
I didn't like the character at all, but harassing the actress over it is ridiculous. There's scumbags like this in every fandom, it seems.
Yes, for the reasons I explained in this post: Link
I agree - if you're talking to the person being harassed or being treated callously, then you're exactly right. But on this forum we aren't speaking to the person being harrassed. We're discussing with each other our reactions to that person's harassment. And many people enter into this circumstance from the perspective of someone who didn't like the film or her character's role in the film, and so it's reasonable to me that their reaction would be to say, basically, I feel the same way those guys do about the movie, but even so, her harassment is unjustifiable and indefensible. It's a member of that "in group" (people who don't like the movie / her character) calling out "their own" for acting like assholes.
Yeah, that's reasonable. I opted out of Star Wars threads in general shortly after seeing the movie because it didn't seem possible to have a good conversation about it without it getting heated, so I don't have that strong a reaction to people mentioning it in this thread. Here it seems reasonable to me because it has to do with an actor being harassed for their role in TLJ by people who disliked the movie / her character. It makes sense to me that those on this forum who disliked it would declare that as part of, essentially, calling out their own.
Oh oh - and to clarify - if you're posting on twitter, where it really could end up being seen by the actor, then I think it's most helpful to focus on encouragement and use whatever the most trending hashtag to hopefully build into something they may eventually notice and be helped out by.
Love the support she's getting on Twitter via the #FanArtForRose hashtag.
Also, Mark Hamill's tweet.
Also, Mark Hamill's tweet.
Yeah I think the best thing to do would be to go on twitter and retweet Mark Hamill's post or make your own encouraging note and use the hashtag.
I'm really not seeing how that's at all relevant.
I can see how the linked response could potentially be relevant to Tran's situation, but in the example I provided I simply don't see any reason why the extra context is relevant in the slightest.
Stay awesome Mark.
Fandoms really needs some goddamn perspective and self reflection these days.
Seeing Mark and Rian spread support for her has been great to see. I wouldn't be surprised if Daisy has also spoken with her, considering she also has a lot of experience with getting harassed online.
And man I saw the comments for the Instagram post about KK's birthday and Jesus fucking Christ they were absolutely abhorrent and vile. Unsurprisingly the comments were all from older white men, who clearly have nothing better to "fight" for in their lives then for the "return" of "great Star Wars."
And man I saw the comments for the Instagram post about KK's birthday and Jesus fucking Christ they were absolutely abhorrent and vile. Unsurprisingly the comments were all from older white men, who clearly have nothing better to "fight" for in their lives then for the "return" of "great Star Wars."
Oh, you're right - it's about Tran's situation. Not applicable to Snyder (because I don't think anyone came out and said "good riddance!" or anything like that).
What feels most ridiculous about the misogynistic responses is how unwarranted the vitriolic response towards the actors are. Everybody performed fine, you could tell tye role meant a lot to Tran in particular.They do not control the script which is where the problems with the movie were. And even if this were a Hayden Christensen situation it would be gross all the same.
I feel bad that she's being harassed, it is absolutely unacceptable. To TreadTalks point If people who liked the film can set parameters of the conversation then everyone who disliked the film can be painted with the same brush as the mouth breathers harassing her. Maybe thats why some don't want the differentiator between those who disliked her character and or the film but would never condone harrasment and those who are harrasing/abusing the actress.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/FanArtforRose
Some of the fan arts are impressive.
That's what I was talking about yesterday: good fans getting together to counter the hate with positivity and love.
It won't deter the scumbags forever but at least it should make Tran feel better.
Some of the fan arts are impressive.
That's what I was talking about yesterday: good fans getting together to counter the hate with positivity and love.
It won't deter the scumbags forever but at least it should make Tran feel better.
Sometimes we forget that fan is shorthand for fanatic. And there tends to be a lot of them. Peeps have really messed up priorities and forget that they're dealing with human beings. That, and some obviously don't care because they're just that kind of person who's pathetic.
Oh, have you not met the MCU and DCEU fans? Turns out this kind of toxicity seems to be common among a certain type of fan. They're all the same.
Yeah I'm stunned how pervasive that narrative had become. I checked out the comments under the news on local web pages ready to see belittlement of cyberbullying but I was surprised to see people saying that it's not her fault. Positively surprised it turned out that it's not her fault, it's Rian's fault and he should be harassed for TLJ. Because apparently he intentionally wrote a shitty script that was subversive mainly to troll SW fans. People are insane.
Some people weren't expecting Mark to step in. Aka the guy whose been defending George Lucas and Jake Lyod from crazies for a decade.
