Destiny 2: Forsaken (Year 2) Discussion Thread

hydruxo · Jun 6, 2018

Kyonashi said:
I heard that Osiris and Warmind were pretty disappointing so I gotta say I'm not itching to drop the cash on those...

If you don't really care about playing CoO and Warmind then you might want to just wait for the complete bundle with Forsaken + D2 + both DLCs to drop. Bungie tweeted yesterday and said more pricing options would be available closer to launch, so you'd just have to wait a while before you could get it.

CoO is pretty awful but you can run through the story missions in about two hours or so. Same with Warmind though the surrounding content in Warmind is a little better. Really just depends on when/if you plan on catching up so that you're ready to go for Forsaken. They're required to play Forsaken regardless.

JohnOfMars · Jun 6, 2018

Trim said:
So what is your opinion about the inconsistency already noticed during the CoO comics ?

And what are those? Hmmmmm?

Trim said:
Why did Bungie removed the D1 content to their website and not create a new one ?

Because they got hammered all through D1 that the lore wasn't in the game. So they put it in the game with Lore tabs and ghost scannables. They're not going to do something again when they got criticized for it. Oh wait, and you gave this answer:

Trim said:
I'm still waiting for the day all the books will be completely implemented in the game and in an enticing way for those who don't know the context. Not a website or something, the game.

lol

Trim said:
What about the tweet about the new writer in charge telling people that it was floklore (giving her the freedom to change everything she wants anytime) ?

This is literally a reply to that from D2's Director on a reddit thread about that quote. Open and shut case, my dude.

Kyonashi · Jun 6, 2018

Trim said:
Unfortunately you will have to if you want to play Forsaken.

Yeah I noticed this. Basically I'm happy to pay for them if I need them for Forsaken, I'm just not super keen on paying full price for the Y1 Season Pass if the content is known to be a bit mediocre.

I think my best option is to wait with my vanilla D2 copy and see if there's a deep discount on the pass before September. If not I'll probably end up buying the 'Ultimate Pack' or whatever they call it, I expect that'll have best value.

Bold One · Jun 6, 2018

Lol, Johnofmars school never closes

DrROBschiz · Jun 6, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6brIrxTbACU

Here

Let good old MTash bring you guys up to speed lol

JohnOfMars · Jun 6, 2018

Bold One said:
Lol, Johnofmars school never closes

ikr? I'm trying to be less spicy, but nothing puts me on tilt like that bullshit "folklore, not canon" thing since it was so explicitly debunked. There's plenty to criticize in Destiny (1 and 2)'s writing and story direction. But it's so fuckin' lame to latch onto something false that reinforces the most tedious way to view stories (i.e. literalism).

forrest · Jun 6, 2018

I love the addition of bows. As someone who always mained a Hunter, I've been wanting them for some time. I only wish they would actually lean away from the realistic, modern compound bows we've been shown and take a more fantastical approach with them. Based on past weapon designs across the years I think we will see some pretty cool stuff regardless.

Chronos · Jun 6, 2018

I'm glad to see Bungie whipping the game into better shape, but I think I won't be getting back into it with Forsaken. The game never really became what I hoped it would be (Mass Effect + Halo). The narrative/campaigns have never been up to par and feel hollow and misguided compared to the rich lore in the Grimoire. For everyone excited about Forsaken, go have fun with it. It looks like Forsaken will be what D2 should have been from the start.

GustyGardens · Jun 6, 2018

JohnOfMars said:
And what are those? Hmmmmm?

It's not worth arguing with someone like that. They're set in their ways and that's probably OK. Anyone that actually takes the time to look can see that D1 lore is still alive and well in Destiny 2.

Chronos said:
I'm glad to see Bungie whipping the game into better shape, but I think I won't be getting back into it with Forsaken. The game never really became what I hoped it would be (Mass Effect + Halo). The narrative/campaigns have never been up to par and feel hollow and misguided compared to the rich lore in the Grimoire. For everyone excited about Forsaken, go have fun with it. It looks like Forsaken will be what D2 should have been from the start.

That's fair. Destiny has a storytelling problem in general. It has since the first game and that trend continues in Destiny 2. Bungie don't seem to give characters and situations time to grow and breath. They sometimes feel rushed. Here's hoping Forsaken changes that a bit.

Kyuuji · Jun 6, 2018

Trim said:
I dont see why you are making a fuss about my opinion on Bungie and Destiny.

I care, so i share my sentiments here. Is it wrong to post negative stuff about Destiny and Bungie here ?

Oh give us a break. Playing this pathetic "my opinions" card after being repeatedly condescending, insinuating people aren't acting as adults should and that they don't know the value of money.

Trim · Jun 6, 2018

JohnOfMars said:
And what are those? Hmmmmm?

Because they got hammered all through D1 that the lore wasn't in the game. So they put it in the game with Lore tabs and ghost scannables. They're not going to do something again when they got criticized for it. Oh wait, and you gave this answer:

lol

This is literally a reply to that from D2's Director on a reddit thread about that quote. Open and shut case, my dude.

If you consider what little we had in D2 texts as "exploiting properly the Destiny Lore" then I just don't know where to start. Maybe play some other games and see how they do.

Again Barrett is here to sell the game, so as long as his talk is not backed, no need to bring back his old tweets. The only act I see here is the Lore is an afterthought for Bungie and they don't put nearly as much effort as they should.

A bunch of texts from items (which plenty are only on Everversum) is not a solution, it is even worse that what we had in D1.

So I stand by my point: we are still waiting for a proper implementation of the Lore in the games.

-PXG- · Jun 6, 2018

Let the naysayers hate all they want. They're entitled to not like the game. Don't let that bother you or interrupt your excitement. Just let it go. It's really not worth the energy or fuss justifying either side really.

All I know is that I like what I saw and so do many of my friends, peers and people I know. Come September, we'll have a mess of new stuff to do. The game we love will be in a far better state and be in a place that we, for the most part, want and expect.

In the mean time, enjoy Faction rally and whatever else you need to grind.

JohnOfMars · Jun 6, 2018

GustyGardens said:
It's not worth arguing with someone like that. They're set in their ways and that's probably OK. Anyone that actually takes the time to look can see that D1 lore is still alive and well in Destiny 2.

Haha, yeah. I doubt I'll change his opinion. But since I keep seeing those falsehoods, I thought it would be worth clearly and systematically showing how they're wrong not for him, but for everyone else reading this thread. Otherwise, that kind of thing goes uncontested and all these gaming side folks won't know better.

GustyGardens said:
That's fair. Destiny has a storytelling problem in general. It has since the first game and that trend continues in Destiny 2. Bungie don't seem to give characters and situations time to grow and breath. They sometimes feel rushed. Here's hoping Forsaken changes that a bit.

It's interesting how Bungie gets all this flack for their story. Bungie games have always had great lore and "okay" in-game stories. And the medium as a whole, but FPSs in specific don't really do a great job with story. Wolfenstein is the only great story in an FPS I can think of in a while. But where I think Bungie set themselves up to fail is their grimoire writing (yes, grimoire, it's real it's canon, deal with it) is so good that we all want the in-game stuff to be just as good. Not an excuse or anything. Just thinking about the expectations for Destiny vs other games and where it comes from.

Trim · Jun 6, 2018

Kyuuji said:
Oh give us a break. Playing this pathetic "my opinions" card after being repeatedly condescending, insinuating people aren't acting as adults should and that they don't know the value of money.

I'm not the one bringing the adult argument.

And I'm not the one being condescending here, just look at the post of GustyGardens for example.

I'm just expressing my disappointment at the right place but peolpe seems to be bothered by it.

ImperatorPat · Jun 6, 2018

Kyonashi said:
I heard that Osiris and Warmind were pretty disappointing so I gotta say I'm not itching to drop the cash on those...

Yeah it's basically a question of if you enjoy strikes and raids.

Buying the pass now gets you 4 more strikes and 2 small raids ("raid lairs"). If you're someone who doesn't raid and aren't tired of the strike missions currently in the playlist, the value isn't really there. Especially if you're new to the game and still have plenty of base game Exotics to collect before moving on to earning DLC Exotics.

Kyuuji · Jun 6, 2018

Trim said:
I'm not the one bringing the adult argument.

And I'm not the one being condescending here, just look at the post of GustyGardens for example.

Mmmmm...

Trim said:
Fool me seven times and I'm a Destiny fan

Trim said:
Being an adult if first all knowing the value of money. And if you think the $80 offer Bungie is worth it (again you don't even know the content of the season pass) sorry but you don't.

Trim said:
It's important to educate people of all ages, no matter where we are.

It's the first step to recovery for them.

Nah. You were.

Kittens McMittens · Jun 6, 2018

Trim said:
Yes they did.

There is no way to have access to the Grimoire with an official product. You have to go trough some third party app.
It is probably because Bungie did not manage to take it down completely without hurting the first game.

Christopher Barret can say whatever he wants, we all know he is here to gain as much goodwill as possible, and tha ONLY the Bungie acts matters.

You can't even access your player stats or move gear via the official website. Are you claiming Bungie secretly wants us to load into the tower every time to change our loadout, or doesn't want us to know each others stats when forming groups? Bungie have clearly decided that the community have produced better solutions for gear management and lore browsing, and so simply focus their effort on supporting the API.

Seriously, the Destiny API apps are far better than what Bungie made: Destiny Item Manager, Guardian.gg, raid.report, trials,report, and Ishtar Collective are all amazing community resources.

Interficium · Jun 6, 2018

Trim said:
I'm not the one bringing the adult argument.

Really?

Trim said:
Being an adult if first all knowing the value of money. And if you think the $80 offer Bungie is worth it (again you don't even know the content of the season pass) sorry but you don't.

Trim said:
And I'm not the one being condescending here

A mod, replying directly to you:

Morrigan said:
OK, enough with the condescending tone already.

How many more times do you want to double down?

JohnOfMars · Jun 6, 2018

Last one, I promise. This is mostly to share some resources I found and some numbers I recently learned.

I like how you ignored my question about Osiris. Thanks for conceding that one.

Trim said:
If you consider what little we had in D2 texts as "exploiting properly the Destiny Lore" then I just don't know where to start. Maybe play some other games and see how they do.

Please name a game that does it better rather than just waving your hand. I'm curious.

The little texts are hardly all of the picture there are a surprisingly large number of voiced lore entires for example:

EDZ: 39 ghost scannables
Titan: 22
Nessus: 38
Io: 35

Just so people don't think I'm being needlessly argumentative, I want to make this helpful too. There's a new resource here that is a map and shows the locations for all these scannables. Even I was surprised at how many there were.

And again to be helpful, you can check out Ishtar Collective and you can see how many lore entries there have been for each release:

Trim said:
Again Barrett is here to sell the game, so as long as his talk is not backed, no need to bring back his old tweets. The only act I see here is the Lore is an afterthought for Bungie and they don't put nearly as much effort as they should.

This argument doesn't work at all, because the "Folklore" tweet was also by someone who is trying to sell the game! The fact is Bungie's narrative team is large and they obviously put a lot of effort into it. It's hardly an afterthought and you can't make the "folklore, not cannon" argument either. That's not to say that we can't want better writing and better stories, but the "lazy dev" argument doesn't scan.

Trim said:
A bunch of texts from items (which plenty are only on Everversum) is not a solution, it is even worse that what we had in D1.

That's just out and out false. Eververse had very few lore entries. Entries are on all exotics, raid gear, trials gear, Osiris forge gear, subclasses, ghost scannables and many new ways in Warmind. Check it out here!

Trim said:
So I stand by my point: we are still waiting for a proper implementation of the Lore in the games.

Yeah, it should get better. It should always get better, but it's pretty clear that nothing will satisfy you.

DeaDPooL_jlp · Jun 6, 2018

Kyuuji said:
Oh give us a break. Playing this pathetic "my opinions" card after being repeatedly condescending, insinuating people aren't acting as adults should and that they don't know the value of money.

I am glad you responded, I was going to but didn't want to go down that rabbit hole after he has made it clear what type of poster he is, lol.

TheGhost · Jun 6, 2018

If all the annual pass does is gives me more armor sets to chase, or new weapons to chase in strikes/nightfalls/world event chests with low drop rates, I'll be happy. I want to chase things Xur can't sell.

Broadbandit · Jun 6, 2018

DrROBschiz said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6brIrxTbACU

Here

Let good old MTash bring you guys up to speed lol

this video needs to be shared more

Bold One · Jun 6, 2018

Deleted member 13077 · Jun 6, 2018

Unless this reviews incredibly well, this might be where I step off. The game has improved since launch no doubt, but not to the point where paying £35 for an expansion doesn't still feel like a massive leap of faith.

TheGhost · Jun 6, 2018

DrROBschiz said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6brIrxTbACU

Here

Let good old MTash bring you guys up to speed lol

Needs to be in the OP

Trim · Jun 6, 2018

Guys is it that hard to exchange opinions ?

I can't share mine if I get so many condescendant answers. And I still fail to see how can someone like Bold One is not considered as toxic.

If you want that badly to change my mind, please keep it civil. And stop categorising someone just because he does not share your passion.

JohnOfMars Destiny 1 is not a place you should look at for a good Lore implementation. So no need all that comparison (yeah sorry I forgot that the Ghost comments are considered "good Lore implementation", my bad).

For a better example, just look at Mass Effect Trilogy. This is the kind of thing Bungie should aim at.

Interficium · Jun 6, 2018

Trim said:
Guys is it that hard to exchange opinions ?

With you? Increasingly.

Did you not see any of the above replies? How do you suggest we exchange opinions with someone who says "I didn't say that" when we can pull direct quotes where you did, in fact, say that.

The only thing you seem capable of doing when called out on bullshit arguments is pivot to a completely different argument.

wubalubadubdub · Jun 6, 2018

how is this any different from purchasing each new entry in an annualized franchise? also, this misconception that you need to purchase the DLC to "fix" the base game is very frustrating. every QoL change and rework of gameplay systems will be free to everyone. Forsaken and the Annual Pass simply provide a huge amount of new content.

MacSalty · Jun 6, 2018

Trim said:
Guys is it that hard to exchange opinions ?

I can't share mine if I get so many condescendant answers. And I still fail to see how can someone like Bold One is not considered as toxic.

If you want that badly to change my mind, please keep it civil. And stop categorising someone just because he does not share your passion.

JohnOfMars Destiny 1 is not a place you should look at for a good Lore implementation. So no need all that comparison (yeah sorry I forgot that the Ghost comments are considered "good Lore implementation", my bad).

For a better example, just look at Mass Effect Trilogy. This is the kind of thing Bungie should aim at.

Your opinion is that Destiny sucks? They've done nothing to fix Social spaces, fireteams for patrols and strikes. No new classes or subclasses. That Bungie should look to the Mass Effect Trilogy for examples of "better writing"? We could just go and have our hundreds and hundreds of hours of fun in other games.

It sounds like you have no vested interest in Destiny at all and are just here to stir the pot, not exchange opinions. I haven't read one thing in your posts that shows you actually care to see Destiny succeed or do well, or even think that it had merit to begin with. Why bother arguing?

Bold One · Jun 6, 2018

Trim said:
Guys is it that hard to exchange opinions ?

I can't share mine if I get so many condescendant answers. And I still fail to see how can someone like Bold One is not considered as toxic.

I don't believe I ever responded to you, sir

MacSalty · Jun 6, 2018

A question I wanted to ask here, but got caught up in the shitposting, my bad, I read that The Dreaming City is more than just a Raid? Was that announced in the reveal video Bungie released yesterday? I'd thought it was only a Raid?

ethomaz · Jun 6, 2018

Enters the thread...

Somebody says Grimorie lore is not canon when it is the only canon lore for the game and it is the base of Destiny 2 lol

It is like people create imaginary facts for the game.

JohnOfMars · Jun 6, 2018

MacSalty said:
A question I wanted to ask here, but got caught up in the shitposting, my bad, I read that The Dreaming City is more than just a Raid? Was that announced in the reveal video Bungie released yesterday? I'd thought it was only a Raid?

It's the setting for the raid. Kind of like in D1 Y2 (Taken King), the Leviathan is both an explorable Destination and the location for the Raid.

Orochinagis · Jun 6, 2018

Feorax said:
Unless this reviews incredibly well, this might be where I step off. The game has improved since launch no doubt, but not to the point where paying £35 for an expansion doesn't still feel like a massive leap of faith.

Depends, the DLC have new models and location, if you compared to the other DLC is a godsend yet the price and Bungie bolness to launch a overpriced season pass and force you to buy the previous DLC to snach more money of it because you probably use those areas for small missions is exactly what Bungie did on Destiny 1 with TTK.

MacSalty · Jun 6, 2018

JohnOfMars said:
It's the setting for the raid. Kind of like in D1 Y2 (Taken King), the Leviathan is both an explorable Destination and the location for the Raid.

That makes sense. I was confused at first when I read that because I didn't recall hearing those specifics in the vlog. That makes the always changing environment that much more of an impressive feature! Thank you sir.

ObijuanBronobi · Jun 6, 2018

Just making sure, because I'm having this dispute with my Destiny friends. We're getting 9 new supers, but do they replace any of the old supers or are they just a 3rd node in the subclass? Like will I still have the ability to throw fire hammers or am I stuck with big fire hammer now? Is it a change like the evolution from Ward of Dawn to Sentinel? As a Titan main, I'd be pretty disappointed if they took out my ranged hammers. Always feels like Bungie leans towards Hunters man.

ImperatorPat · Jun 6, 2018

ObijuanBronobi said:
Just making sure, because I'm having this dispute with my Destiny friends. We're getting 9 new supers, but do they replace any of the old supers or are they just a 3rd node in the subclass? Like will I still have the ability to throw fire hammers or am I stuck with big fire hammer now? Is it a change like the evolution from Ward of Dawn to Sentinel? As a Titan main, I'd be pretty disappointed if they took out my ranged hammers. Always feels like Bungie leans towards Hunters man.

They will be new abilities. Bungie isn't gonna delete the old supers.

JohnOfMars · Jun 6, 2018

ObijuanBronobi said:
Just making sure, because I'm having this dispute with my Destiny friends. We're getting 9 new supers, but do they replace any of the old supers or are they just a 3rd node in the subclass? Like will I still have the ability to throw fire hammers or am I stuck with big fire hammer now? Is it a change like the evolution from Ward of Dawn to Sentinel? As a Titan main, I'd be pretty disappointed if they took out my ranged hammers. Always feels like Bungie leans towards Hunters man.

Per Luke Smith, we'll be getting a new tree branch, cluster of perks. There are definitely new abilities, like Stormcallers being able to devour a grenade to summon an Arc soul.

Klyka · Jun 6, 2018

ObijuanBronobi said:
Just making sure, because I'm having this dispute with my Destiny friends. We're getting 9 new supers, but do they replace any of the old supers or are they just a 3rd node in the subclass? Like will I still have the ability to throw fire hammers or am I stuck with big fire hammer now? Is it a change like the evolution from Ward of Dawn to Sentinel? As a Titan main, I'd be pretty disappointed if they took out my ranged hammers. Always feels like Bungie leans towards Hunters man.

They are a new option in the subclass. so each subclass will have another skilltree to choose

ObijuanBronobi · Jun 6, 2018

JohnOfMars said:
Per Luke Smith, we'll be getting a new tree branch, cluster of perks. There are definitely new abilities, like Stormcallers being able to devour a grenade to summon an Arc soul.

Cool, just making sure this isn't like how they changed ward of dawn to sentinel or Sunsinger to Dawnblade type deal. Titan hammer seemed kind of underwhelming, but I'm hoping we will see cool stuff next week. Freaking hunters and warlock hogging all the cool supers man.

Bold One · Jun 6, 2018

JohnOfMars said:
Per Luke Smith, we'll be getting a new tree branch, cluster of perks. There are definitely new abilities, like Stormcallers being able to devour a grenade to summon an Arc soul.

My hope is that they expand on the existing skill tree, I think we can all agree, its very anaemic and the barest of bones

irishonion · Jun 6, 2018

Btw, your mileage may vary, but looks like Destiny 2 is 10$ at best buy, and season pass is on sale for 20$(NA only i believe)

So if that applies to you and are on fence and like what you see here, you can get the full package now for 30$ before the inevitable year package that will probably be 60.

oracledragon · Jun 6, 2018

C'mon Activision/Bungie throw us PC bros a bone, hopefully in time for E3... I can buy the whole game + expansion pass on Xbox right now for less than the cost of the expansion pass on the digital store. And if I hadn't got my friends to buy the PC version, I may have even done that...

irishonion said:
Btw, your mileage may vary, but looks like Destiny 2 is 10$ at best buy, and season pass is on sale for 20$(NA only i believe)

So if that applies to you and are on fence and like what you see here, you can get the full package now for 30$ before the inevitable year package that will probably be 60.

Maybe USA only? Still seeing full prices in Best Buy Canada :(

Van Bur3n · Jun 6, 2018

Bold One said:
I don't believe I ever responded to you, sir

Come on, bruv, the game already provides for you.

DeaDPooL_jlp · Jun 6, 2018

Trim said:
Guys is it that hard to exchange opinions ?

I can't share mine if I get so many condescendant answers. And I still fail to see how can someone like Bold One is not considered as toxic.

If you want that badly to change my mind, please keep it civil. And stop categorising someone just because he does not share your passion.

JohnOfMars Destiny 1 is not a place you should look at for a good Lore implementation. So no need all that comparison (yeah sorry I forgot that the Ghost comments are considered "good Lore implementation", my bad).

For a better example, just look at Mass Effect Trilogy. This is the kind of thing Bungie should aim at.

Honestly, you haven't carried yourself in a manner that warrants respectful responses and instead keep trying to play the victim role. The title of this thread is "Year 2 discussion", and yet all you want to do is discuss previous failures and halt any discussion among those who are actually excited for the future content, which you obviously aren't. Its like being a vegan and walking into a burger joint and wanting to discuss why they are wrong as they enjoy their food but do it in a "peaceful manner". Nobody gives a shit, just let people enjoy what they enjoy and find something that you enjoy and stop wasting so much time on something you clearly don't.

pikachief · Jun 6, 2018

irishonion said:
Btw, your mileage may vary, but looks like Destiny 2 is 10$ at best buy, and season pass is on sale for 20$(NA only i believe)

So if that applies to you and are on fence and like what you see here, you can get the full package now for 30$ before the inevitable year package that will probably be 60.

Im seeing full price on their website.

DeaDPooL_jlp · Jun 6, 2018

MacSalty said:
A question I wanted to ask here, but got caught up in the shitposting, my bad, I read that The Dreaming City is more than just a Raid? Was that announced in the reveal video Bungie released yesterday? I'd thought it was only a Raid?

From what I gathered, someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but it will work like Leviathin and actually be bigger with a lot of secrets to discover in the play space outside of simply doing the raid content.

Bold One · Jun 6, 2018

Van Bur3n said:
Come on, bruv, the game already provides for you.

All that artefacting doe

Stalker · Jun 6, 2018

Updated the Original Post to clean it up and add some better info and pics

DeaDPooL_jlp said:
From what I gathered, someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but it will work like Leviathin and actually be bigger with a lot of secrets to discover in the play space outside of simply doing the raid content.

Kind of

MacSalty said:
A question I wanted to ask here, but got caught up in the shitposting, my bad, I read that The Dreaming City is more than just a Raid? Was that announced in the reveal video Bungie released yesterday? I'd thought it was only a Raid?

From what we know it's a full zone like the dreadnaught in TTK that changes over time and is packed with secrets.

Bold One · Jun 6, 2018

I have a question,
I am considering going digital for Forsaken and I have physical D2 vanilla,

how would I go about doing this?

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