I made a new (feline) friend last night

Bobson Dugnutt · Jun 1, 2018

FromAshesRise said:
Please call animal control to take the mother too. Cats shouldn't be outside and people who let their cats outside make me sick.

I guess I got to be thankful to ERA for at least one thing, because I've never seen rhetoric on this matter as extreme anywhere else. People who prefer house cats because it befits their circumstances sure. people who want to reduce the impact on natural wild life wildlife so are pro putting a bell collar on cats, yeah. people who are sick at the thought of a cat being outisde at all? Shit is eye opening to me

deepFlaw · Jun 1, 2018

Bobson Dugnutt said:
I guess I got to be thankful to ERA for at least one thing, because I've never seen rhetoric on this matter as extreme anywhere else. People who prefer house cats because it befits their circumstances sure. people who want to reduce the impact on natural wild life wildlife so are pro putting a bell collar on cats, yeah. people who are sick at the thought of a cat being outisde at all? Shit is eye opening to me

It's putting the cat's life at risk when that really doesn't need to be the case.

I'm not exactly gonna judge people harshly it - I didn't know much about this till I adopted a cat myself this year - but I don't think it's unreasonable if someone else finds it sickening.

TheBeardedOne · Jun 1, 2018

My cat is used to going out, because when I lived at home my family would let him out. It was normal for our pets to go out, though I'd protest against it because they got hurt, would go missing, etcetera. It was tough. But one family member didn't like animals and would put them outside, so it was a lost war. This was years ago, but he's used to it. Then again, he was originally a stray himself.

He goes out at my apartment, but it's a pretty safe area for him. I keep an eye on him and don't let him out at night. Otherwise he bugs to go out.

When I get another cat in the future, it will be an indoor cat. I hate the worry and don't want anything to happen.

hombremalo · Jun 1, 2018

The problem is not only the cat security but the impact on local fauna

TheBeardedOne · Jun 2, 2018

My little friend is out there again tonight. I got home and saw her mother and her on the front step. They greeted me.

I picked the kitten up and held her for a bit. This time she wasn't very busy and just sat in the crook of my arm and let me pet her, while looking around and eventually watching her mom. Last night, she wouldn't stay still and kept being magnetized to her mom. My friend came over and we both petted her and played with her, then the two walked away through the neighbours' yard afterwards and weren't here this afternoon.

I have at least two potential homes lined up, if not three.

element252 · Jun 2, 2018

FromAshesRise said:
Please call animal control to take the mother too. Cats shouldn't be outside and people who let their cats outside make me sick.

Animal control will eventually euthanize the cat. So I would not recommend that.

TheBeardedOne · Jun 2, 2018

element252 said:
Animal control will eventually euthanize the cat. So I would not recommend that.

That's where I struggle. I know that if I call someone to trap the cats, they'll be killed.

It turns out I'll be moving sooner than I thought, so I may be able to keep the kitten, but it's unlikely I'll move in time. I don't know what will happen to the others, because my roommate won't feed them nor will the landlord. Neighbours don't seem to.

TheBeardedOne · Jun 2, 2018

The baby cat was eating cat food I put out for the mom tonight which is a good sign.

Terraj_RSL · Jun 3, 2018

Kirblar said:
Trap, Neuter, Release is what you are looking for w the mom after the baby is adopted.

Please do this! Stray cats breed like crazy, also female cats stay fertile thier entire life, so spay/neuter is the only way to stop more litters.

TheBeardedOne said:
element252 said:

Animal control will eventually euthanize the cat. So I would not recommend that.

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That's where I struggle. I know that if I call someone to trap the cats, they'll be killed.

It turns out I'll be moving sooner than I thought, so I may be able to keep the kitten, but it's unlikely I'll move in time. I don't know what will happen to the others, because my roommate won't feed them nor will the landlord. Neighbours don't seem to.

If you're moving after feeding a feral cat for six years then the only humane thing to is call animal control. The cat relies on you to provide food, so if you suddenly stop, it'll most likely starve to death because it's not acclimated to hunting for its own meals.

His Majesty said:
Tame mother cat by scratching her behind the ears and on her chin. Also go buy the most expensive meat you can find.

Some adult feral cats will never become domesticated and/or let you touch them, no matter how long (or what) you feed them.

The best/easiest way to tame a stray cat is when they are a kitten.

His Majesty · Jun 3, 2018

Bobson Dugnutt said:
I guess I got to be thankful to ERA for at least one thing, because I've never seen rhetoric on this matter as extreme anywhere else. People who prefer house cats because it befits their circumstances sure. people who want to reduce the impact on natural wild life wildlife so are pro putting a bell collar on cats, yeah. people who are sick at the thought of a cat being outisde at all? Shit is eye opening to me

I don't get this attitude at all, my cat was outside a lot and loved to roll around in the grass and relax in the garden. It broke my heart to keep him locked inside for like a month right after a tumor removal operation.

Linkura · Jun 3, 2018

Make sure to at least get mom spayed. There are many TNR programs that will do it at no cost for you.

One of our cats was a litter of one. Her mother got pregnant very young (they were going to spay her but they thought it was too early- whoops). She is the runt of the litter even though she was the only one. Even her tail is tiny. <3

TheBeardedOne · Jun 3, 2018

When I move I will definitely have to call someone. Attempts in the past have failed, but I don't want them to starve. I do wrestle with the idea that they'll likely kill them, though.

The kitten came in twice last night. She laid on my shoulder and under my chin while I watched TV, then I put her on the blanket beside me and she nestled in and went to sleep after a little while. I had to get up to get food and check something. Eventually, she laid on the blanket when I had it over me and I was petting her while she slept some, but after a while she got to moving a lot and I assumed she should go back out with her mom.

I brought her back in later and was going to let her sleep with me, but got afraid of rolling onto her. She fell asleep beside me, but I got too nervous about that happening and eventually put her outside.

When I ate chips (salt and vinegar), she started sniffing around and being adventurous. The can scared her, but she licked my finger a bit.

Deleted member 9237 · Jun 3, 2018

TheBeardedOne said:
When I ate chips (salt and vinegar), she started sniffing around and being adventurous. The can scared her, but she licked my finger a bit.

Just beware that the super high salt content of stuff like that isn't good for small animals, it can throw their balance out of whack

Vilix · Jun 3, 2018

The pookifull pookieness!! I hope she find a loving home. ^.^

TheBeardedOne · Jun 3, 2018

eot said:
Just beware that the super high salt content of stuff like that isn't good for small animals, it can throw their balance out of whack

Okay. Thanks.

She didn't have much. I was surprised she licked my finger. I didn't plan to give her any more, and still don't.

TheBeardedOne · Jun 3, 2018

She's been inside, sleeping on my blanket and with me on the couch for almost two hours now. We're watching Mr. Robot. Well me more than her, because she's been fast asleep most of the time.

Another person mentioned interest in her today.

Vilam · Jun 3, 2018

Don't wait longer to get that kitten to someone who will give it a good home. The longer it continues living outside, the more feral tendencies it'll retain.

Linkura · Jun 3, 2018

TheBeardedOne said:
When I move I will definitely have to call someone. Attempts in the past have failed, but I don't want them to starve. I do wrestle with the idea that they'll likely kill them, though.

The kitten came in twice last night. She laid on my shoulder and under my chin while I watched TV, then I put her on the blanket beside me and she nestled in and went to sleep after a little while. I had to get up to get food and check something. Eventually, she laid on the blanket when I had it over me and I was petting her while she slept some, but after a while she got to moving a lot and I assumed she should go back out with her mom.

I brought her back in later and was going to let her sleep with me, but got afraid of rolling onto her. She fell asleep beside me, but I got too nervous about that happening and eventually put her outside.

When I ate chips (salt and vinegar), she started sniffing around and being adventurous. The can scared her, but she licked my finger a bit.

See if there's a local rescue that works with feral colonies. They could be able to move them when you move. They will have traps.

thefit · Jun 3, 2018

The kitten looks like she's ready to be weened and you can skip the milk op and start her on wet food and kitten dry food. We adopted and orphaned kitten that was much smaller that yours and he was already eating dry kitten food. So if you're ready and want to adopt that cutie I would but you should definitely trap the mother and have her fixed. Right now is kitten season and there are tons of them everywhere the anu shelters are packed and they put them to sleep. We just helped rescue a littler of 7 that where bound to be put down. We managed to find them a cat rescue with a mama cat to nurse them. One did die but the rest are doing fine and are all bound to be fixed, chipped and sent put up for adoption.

YaBish · Jun 3, 2018

Nothing much to add other than this is adorable. I really appreciate you taking care of these animals as best you can.

Aselith · Jun 3, 2018

Dawwwww, it's a kitty!

Budi · Jun 3, 2018

His Majesty said:
I don't get this attitude at all, my cat was outside a lot and loved to roll around in the grass and relax in the garden. It broke my heart to keep him locked inside for like a month right after a tumor removal operation.

Yup I also prefer letting cats go outside, though some cats who are very accustomed to being inside don't always even wan't to go outside since they can be afraid. I have a friend who had a cat like this. But mostly I don't want to punish the cat by keeping them locked inside just because people have brought cats to areas they didn't originally belong. Humans fucked up once again.

Edit: And oh, cute pics!

Man God · Jun 3, 2018

There's pros and cons to outdoor versus indoor, though a lot of indoor only people try to downplay any benefits at all to letting them outside. I'm lucky that I've got a safe environment to let out any cats if I ever get another one. Fenced off but tons of space.

Fuzzy · Jun 3, 2018

TheBeardedOne said:
I can't as part of my rental agreement. It breaks my heart. My roommate doesn't like animals at all.

Aren't you in Ontario? Pets clauses don't mean anything.

Under the law, you can't prevent a tenant from bringing a pet into your property, unless it is a condominium and the building declaration says no pets. So even if a landlord and tenant sign a lease that says no pets, the tenant can bring 2 dogs and 4 cats the next day and there is nothing the landlord can do about it.

https://www.thestar.com/life/homes/2012/12/07/why_nopet_rental_clauses_lack_teeth.html

element252 · Jun 3, 2018

TheBeardedOne said:
That's where I struggle. I know that if I call someone to trap the cats, they'll be killed.

It turns out I'll be moving sooner than I thought, so I may be able to keep the kitten, but it's unlikely I'll move in time. I don't know what will happen to the others, because my roommate won't feed them nor will the landlord. Neighbours don't seem to.

There should be some animal place or individual who cares for strays you could contact. Maybe contact PETA? See if they have any options.

You should keep the kitten, it is adorable.

TheBeardedOne · Jun 3, 2018

Just woke up from a maybe two hour nap, and the kitten slept right beside me on the blanket. She'd been in for hours, and slept through it all, so I woke her up when I got up to make supper and put her outside with her mom. In case she needs to go to the washroom, eat or whatever. They also need to spend some time together now, of course.

thefit said:
The kitten looks like she's ready to be weened and you can skip the milk op and start her on wet food and kitten dry food. We adopted and orphaned kitten that was much smaller that yours and he was already eating dry kitten food. So if you're ready and want to adopt that cutie I would but you should definitely trap the mother and have her fixed. Right now is kitten season and there are tons of them everywhere the anu shelters are packed and they put them to sleep. We just helped rescue a littler of 7 that where bound to be put down. We managed to find them a cat rescue with a mama cat to nurse them. One did die but the rest are doing fine and are all bound to be fixed, chipped and sent put up for adoption.

That's good to hear. I'm glad you did that for them. Good on you.

She did eat some of her mom's food the other night. I haven't put milk out since, and haven't bought kitten milk. A pet store wanted $9 for a TINY can, so I decided I'd only buy it if she ever looked malnourished and she does not, thank God.

Fuzzy said:
Aren't you in Ontario? Pets clauses don't mean anything.

https://www.thestar.com/life/homes/2012/12/07/why_nopet_rental_clauses_lack_teeth.html

It's not a tenant act issue. More keeping the peace. I have a cat.

element252 said:
There should be some animal place or individual who cares for strays you could contact. Maybe contact PETA? See if they have any options.

You should keep the kitten, it is adorable.

I haven't found anything but I will keep looking.

If I find a new place in time I may keep her, but it's unlikely.

element252 · Jun 3, 2018

TheBeardedOne said:
Just woke up from a maybe two hour nap, and the kitten slept right beside me on the blanket. She'd been in for hours, and slept through it all, so I woke her up when I got up to make supper and put her outside with her mom. In case she needs to go to the washroom, eat or whatever. They also need to spend some time together now, of course.

That's good to hear. I'm glad you did that for them. Good on you.

She did eat some of her mom's food the other night. I haven't put milk out since, and haven't bought kitten milk. A pet store wanted $9 for a TINY can, so I decided I'd only buy it if she ever looked malnourished and she does not, thank God.

It's not a tenant act issue. More keeping the peace. I have a cat.

I haven't found anything but I will keep looking.

If I find a new place in time I may keep her, but it's unlikely.

You are referring to keeping the kitten right? It shouldn't be that hard to find a home for a kitten, especially an adorable one.

I am not sure how places like Pet Smart or something like that would handle it, but would be worth looking into.

Muffin · Jun 3, 2018

Man God said:
There's pros and cons to outdoor versus indoor, though a lot of indoor only people try to downplay any benefits at all to letting them outside. I'm lucky that I've got a safe environment to let out any cats if I ever get another one. Fenced off but tons of space.

To be fair I'm also pretty against letting cats outside, but if you got a fenced off environment they can play outside in, that's completely alright imo. Some people also go outside with their cat on a leash, but there it depends more on the cat whether they can get used to that, so your option is pretty much what I'd think of as ideal solution.

TheBeardedOne · Jun 3, 2018

I tried leashes with my cats years ago and they hated them. It has to be a special type of cat.

PersonAndStuff · Jun 3, 2018

Cute. My cat was probably about that she when I found her crying her on the side of the road. She was sick and was likely abandoned by the mom to save the rest of the litter. Her eyes were so filled with puss I thought she might not have eyes. Pulling over my cat to pick her up was one of the better decisions Ive ever made.

TheBeardedOne · Jun 3, 2018

PersonAndStuff said:
Cute. My cat was probably about that she when I found her crying her on the side of the road. She was sick and was likely abandoned by the mom to save the rest of the litter. Her eyes were so filled with puss I thought she might not have eyes. Pulling over my cat to pick her up was one of the better decisions Ive ever made.

Salute

TheBeardedOne · Jun 5, 2018

Just an update...

The kitten (who I've taken to thinking of as Annie, but haven't been calling her that because it's not fair to her forever owner) is asleep on the blanket on my couch. I've had her in several times since I last posted, and she's always quick to get comfortable and fall asleep on the blanket or on me. She slept with me last night, actually.

Sometimes she's happy and content on the blanket, or beside me on it, but a lot of the time she likes to climb up to my left shoulder and sleep there or nestle herself underneath my left ear and that side of my chin and beard. That's her favourite spot. She's also licked my ear a bit and investigated my eye, but not much.

It's going to be really hard to give her away. If I can line up a new place soon, I may try to keep her. I'm just a bit nervous about how much all of the vet bills will cost, because moving will take a big chunk out of me.

Khanimus · Jun 5, 2018

those pictures :(

TheBeardedOne · Jun 5, 2018

Khanimus said:
those pictures :(

They make you sad?

Meffer · Jun 5, 2018

Feed it pizza.

Khanimus · Jun 5, 2018

TheBeardedOne said:
They make you sad?

I wanna hug the kitty

Hoo-doo · Jun 5, 2018

You're not from the Netherlands, are you? Because if you were, i'd gladly adopt this little feline friend. She's adorable.

TheBeardedOne · Jun 5, 2018

Hoo-doo said:
You're not from the Netherlands, are you? Because if you were, i'd gladly adopt this little feline friend. She's adorable.

Thank you for the offer, but no. Sorry.

TheBeardedOne · Jun 6, 2018

I passed out with her beside me again, and put her outside in the middle of the night because her mom was there and I worried about her going to the washroom, needing to eat and that kind of thing. She'd had cat food with her mom and then fed from her mom before I brought her in, but it'd been hours.

She's never made a mess in my apartment, and has been incredibly well behaved. Most of the time she just curls up and sleeps or wants to play fight.

I brought her out into the kitchen last night, because she wanted to play, but the cat dancer didn't interest her. My hands and face did, though. I did the dishes and she got upset because she couldn't see me, then disappeared. I found her back on the couch, nestled into a crack between two pillows and fast asleep.

She's up on my shoulder right now and has been for a little while now. I brought her in when I woke up, then tried putting her back out so I could go shower and do some work, but she walked right back inside and wanted back up again.

Abhor · Jun 6, 2018

FromAshesRise said:
Please call animal control to take the mother too. Cats shouldn't be outside and people who let their cats outside make me sick.

What the fuck?

FromAshesRise · Jun 6, 2018

Bobson Dugnutt said:
I guess I got to be thankful to ERA for at least one thing, because I've never seen rhetoric on this matter as extreme anywhere else. People who prefer house cats because it befits their circumstances sure. people who want to reduce the impact on natural wild life wildlife so are pro putting a bell collar on cats, yeah. people who are sick at the thought of a cat being outisde at all? Shit is eye opening to me

Abhor said:
What the fuck?

If you're so lazy that you masquerade the lack of responsibility required to care for a pet to falsely anthropomorphize your "unhappy" cat by letting it out at the expense of said cat's well being and the well being of millions of wild species in the environment, yes. That level of intellectual negligence makes me sick.

PurpleRainz · Jun 6, 2018

TheBeardedOne said:
Just an update...

The kitten (who I've taken to thinking of as Annie, but haven't been calling her that because it's not fair to her forever owner) is asleep on the blanket on my couch. I've had her in several times since I last posted, and she's always quick to get comfortable and fall asleep on the blanket or on me. She slept with me last night, actually.

Sometimes she's happy and content on the blanket, or beside me on it, but a lot of the time she likes to climb up to my left shoulder and sleep there or nestle herself underneath my left ear and that side of my chin and beard. That's her favourite spot. She's also licked my ear a bit and investigated my eye, but not much.

It's going to be really hard to give her away. If I can line up a new place soon, I may try to keep her. I'm just a bit nervous about how much all of the vet bills will cost, because moving will take a big chunk out of me.

Getting a kitten spayed is like 70 dollars and getting shots is like maybe 50 if you go to an expensive vet be sure you get her immunized for Feline Leukemia and keep an eye out for local spay and neuter clinics you can call a local vet and they might know of one.

Deleted member 32822 · Jun 6, 2018

Such a little cutie! Thank you for sharing

TheBeardedOne · Jun 6, 2018

You can tell that she's focusing on things more now. Her eyes are still gray, which is new to me, but they look like they may be starting to change. I'm used to kittens having blue eyes.

Squiggely · Jun 6, 2018

FromAshesRise said:
If you're so lazy that you masquerade the lack of responsibility required to care for a pet to falsely anthropomorphize your "unhappy" cat by letting it out at the expense of said cat's well being and the well being of millions of wild species in the environment, yes. That level of intellectual negligence makes me sick.

Cats are natural hunters, there is nothing wrong with letting them out if you have the space.

I personally would consider an indoor only cat to be cruel as it goes against their nature. I let mine out whenever she wants to go (a lot).

Gorgeous kitty by the way OP.

Jazzem · Jun 6, 2018

TheBeardedOne said:
Just an update...

The kitten (who I've taken to thinking of as Annie, but haven't been calling her that because it's not fair to her forever owner) is asleep on the blanket on my couch. I've had her in several times since I last posted, and she's always quick to get comfortable and fall asleep on the blanket or on me. She slept with me last night, actually.

Sometimes she's happy and content on the blanket, or beside me on it, but a lot of the time she likes to climb up to my left shoulder and sleep there or nestle herself underneath my left ear and that side of my chin and beard. That's her favourite spot. She's also licked my ear a bit and investigated my eye, but not much.

It's going to be really hard to give her away. If I can line up a new place soon, I may try to keep her. I'm just a bit nervous about how much all of the vet bills will cost, because moving will take a big chunk out of me.

This is all so gosh darn adorable <3

FromAshesRise · Jun 6, 2018

Squiggely said:
Cats are natural hunters, there is nothing wrong with letting them out if you have the space.

They're domesticated and invasive so that's 100% wrong on every level.I would say that it's fine to let them out if you leash them, build an enclosure, or ensure you're supervising, but most people who let their cats out don't do that.

I personally would consider an indoor only cat to be cruel as it goes against their nature. I let mine out whenever she wants to go

No, what you're doing is actually cruel and negligent for the reasons I listed. If it were up to me, someone would take your cat away from you and you should potentially face a charge for animal cruelty.

TheBeardedOne · Jun 6, 2018

Let's keep the arguments out of here, please.

Volimar · Jun 6, 2018

TheBeardedOne said:
You can tell that she's focusing on things more now. Her eyes are still gray, which is new to me, but they look like they may be starting to change. I'm used to kittens having blue eyes.

moar pics please!

Squiggely · Jun 6, 2018

FromAshesRise said:
They're domesticated and invasive so that's 100% wrong on every level.I would say that it's fine to let them out if you leash them, build an enclosure, or ensure you're supervising, but most people who let their cats out don't do that.

No, what you're doing is actually cruel and negligent for the reasons I listed. If it were up to me, someone would take your cat away from you and you should potentially face a charge for animal cruelty.

haha, ok? I also don't put a bell on my cats collar. She came from a farm, she's a hunter and she does kill.

Fortunately for me I have a big enough garden to allow her freedom to exercise. I'm not going to interfere with nature.

I made a new (feline) friend last night

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