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Sent you a PM sweetie, probably better than shitting up the forum?
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Kelly Marie Tran has deleted her Instagram posts due harassment she has received after TLJ (Read OP)
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Sent you a PM sweetie, probably better than shitting up the forum?
Because on some level they care more about Star Wars than harassment of women (even if they're not fully conscious of it), so their ego prevents them from fully setting aside the issue they consider more important. They must make sure they preserve their honor and get the last word in rather than simply dropping the issue entirely for the duration of the discussion.
Uhh, on the first page there was someone stating that she had one of the "best roles" and one of the "best quotes," so I responded to them.
I don't dislike the actress at all. She worked really well for what she was given and seems like an amazing person irl.
Did you literally copy and paste two completely different replies together?
Because your opening paragraph is the toxicity you claim to want to stop in the following paragraph.
Yeah, this bears repeating over and over again because I saw it so much in Black Panther and TLJ threads. All it's doing is enabling and validating the people who DO harass; especially when TLJ and Black Panther were such huge critical and commercial successes. The way some people talk it's objectively bad and the only reason they succeeded was because women and blacks relating to the characters more because otherwise they were "bad and mediocre" movies according to certain parts is the fandom. They'll never say such things, but you really DO have to wonder about the people that feel the need to be really loud about how much they hate TLJ and were lukewarm on BP in literally every thread about these movies.
It's like look; we get if it's hard for you when the story isn't told from a traditional white dude hero's journey. Just say "hey it's not for me" and let others celebrate instead of ruining the mood with negativity. Could you imagine how insufferable and annoying that would be irl? It's like being that person who has to point out how grossly hot dogs are made when your friends are eating them, or who loudly nitpicks a movie you're watching in a group that everyone else is enjoying. And being told to keep your opinions to yourself sometimes isn't an infringement on your free speech, it's just saying be polite and don't piss in other people's cheerios while they're enjoying them.
I must admit I don't really see the point in narrowing the conversation to just "poor KMT." If people are lamenting the broader absurdity of fans who are unable to separate actor from role that doesn't necessarily have to detract from their sympathy for what the actress is going through. If the poster is actively offering their support and condemning the act, holding KMT entirely blameless, I have a hard time seeing why anything else they comment on matters.
All I said was that her character was poorly written but she did a fantastic job. That's not toxic, that's just an acknowledgment that the character was poorly handled but that the poor characterization doesn't justify toxic behavior or attacks on the actress.
I'm not sure you know what "toxic behavior" is if you think levelheaded criticism of an aspect of a film is toxic or unacceptable.
User Banned (2 Days) Inflammatory Derailment + Handwaving Harassment
The shitting on the SW and the fanbase in this thread is also as disgusting... don't broadstroke paint us all the same if we didn't like the movie she was in... these are just trolls who wouldn't need much in general to harass people in general... these are not SW fans as far as I am concerned
This tweet is fucking dead on.
Coming in here to trash her character when she is being harassed in real life...not a good look.
Coming in here to trash her character when she is being harassed in real life...not a good look.
Mike just posts whatever to get the views. He has a large viewer base as well, so word got out quick. It makes sense though- Rose probably is going to have an expanded role in the new film unless she gets killed off, which I don't believe would happen. The worst thing marketing did was put Finn holding that lightsaber on TFA poster. That got a lot of hopes way up that he was going to be a Jedi along with Rey. When Kylo gave him pause in it, many mistook his doubtful feelings as having Force sensitivity.
It's a damn shame how many toxic people are in fanbases for things like Star Wars and videogames.
This is so idiotic. Why harass her? She didnt write her own lines or make the character, put any other actress in that roll and the results would still be the same. I cant believe how childish and immature people are.
Indeed. Who fucking care what you thought about the character or the movie. This is someone getting harassed over something as silly as Star Wars.
You need to get over your Star Wars if you really feel people criticizing its fans is as bad as Tran getting harassed over something like Star Wars.
They're just fucking movies.
Now THIS is bullshit. No one cares if you consider them fans or not. The fact that the harassers are fans or not isn't even important to what is being discussed. Even if they aren't they pretend to be and there is no way to confirm one way or another so just accept that some of the people that like the same stuff you like are also pieces of shit and move on.
Deepwater gets it, thank you.
I can vouch for clearly remembering multiple people saying she was cast to appeal to China. Even though she's not Chinese and no one in China knew who she was.
We also had someone who said they thought she was CGI. Imagine hating minorities so much that your mind automatically renders a live action actor in CGI.
There were also posters who complained about get her physical appearance and said her sister should have played her instead, heavily implying that Tran isn't hot enough for the role.
Another gem was when someone listed "Rey got chubby" as a criticism of the film.
I'm not digging that shit up (from months back) but I can tell you with certainty that it happened. As somebody who has been very active in SW threads since the prerelease of TFA.
This is nice to see. Glad RJ is sticking up for her. He's right about a large shadow cast by few.
I can vouch for clearly remembering multiple people saying she was cast to appeal to China. Even though she's not Chinese and no one in China knew who she was.
We also had someone who said they thought she was CGI. Imagine hating minorities so much that your mind automatically renders a live action actor in CGI.
There were also posters who complained about get her physical appearance and said her sister should have played her instead, heavily implying that Tran isn't hot enough for the role.
Another gem was when someone listed "Rey got chubby" as a criticism of the film.
I'm not digging that shit up (from months back) but I can tell you with certainty that it happened. As somebody who has been very active in SW threads since the prerelease of TFA.
This is nice to see. Glad RJ is sticking up for her. He's right about a large shadow cast by few.
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I mean there is a tally of Star Wars fans harassing people that goes back to years and even over a decade. Keep in mind, a lot of people who attack the star wars fandom are themselves huge fans of Star Wars. The obsessiveness and the feel of ownership over the franchise that the dedicated fans feel is what created this toxic fandom. So calling out the fandom is fair at this point after years of bad behavior by a not insignificant amount of people
You don't combat hate with more hate. We should somehow take all SW fans being condemned as shitty people is ignorant. Not all of us are going around trying to take down actors or people involved with the movies.
Bro, I constantly see you making posts like this in Star Wars threads:
I'm not even sure what you think Star Wars fans are or why you feel the need to defend them.
There is a huge difference in calling out the toxic fanboys (#NotMyLuke) who DESERVE to be called out vs what Kelly Marie Tran went through.
No one is attacking fans who aren't toxic. People spreading nonsense about calling for Kennedy to get fired for her "political agenda", calling Rian Johnson "Ruin Johnson" are hateful toxic losers who aren't Star Wars fans.
This just seems silly though, it is possible to critique the character and condemn the toxic harassment she's enduring. It's important to provide examples of fair criticism without taking things to a person level.
I honestly think you are over reading these posts and perhaps unintentionally trying to silence dissent in any negative discussion about movies which are associated for any reason to social progress. People will do this 'i hated this movie but good for them for succeeding / not a surprise this movie tanked it was so shit' on any popular franchise - anything marvel , call of duty, etc. Certainly didn't feel it was measurably worse for BP. And it was for TLJ, but arguing it's based on social conservatism is both a stretch and a strawman.
And why is this the thread for that? There are hundreds of TLJ threads to talk about how much you dislike Rose, why do you think a thread where someone had to leave social media over harassment is the time and place to provide criticism of her character?
I'm not a fan of the character Rose in the movies atall(cause I want my Poe Flinn romance)(really about it). However her character was a nice change of pace.
But harassing the actress who plays her is shitty and childish.
Shame on them
But harassing the actress who plays her is shitty and childish.
Shame on them
If you hate EVERYTHING in the on screen media in a franchise for the past 35 years straight are you even a fan at that point? lol
I can't imagine being a fan of something and hating over 90% of all the films released in the franchise. Sounds like torture.
It's a matter of providing an example. In this very thread we see people excercising the same behavior that led to her quitting social media, it's important to show that you can be critical of something without taking things too far.
Fair enough though, you're right in the sense that this is probably not the proper thread for any of that and it should be kept to objective facts about the harassment she's unfortunately dealing with.
But I thought Rian Johnson was a monster that tried to paint anyone that didn't like his movie as a misogynistic troll!
Facetiousness aside, it's nice to see RJ get it so spot on with that tweet. There are a lot of fans out there that are respectful, and loving, and pure, even if there are things that we don't like about the franchise we hold so dear. It's incredibly upsetting that the strong, wonderful women who have become the franchise's new icons have had to experience this raw, unfiltered toxicity from what are a small subsection of the wider fanbase.
Ultimately, whether we enjoyed TLJ or not, most of us are having fun with these movies, and KMT did a wonderful job trying her hardest to make sure that we continued to have fun with it.
And I think almost everyone in this thread can get behind this sentiment, no matter where they stand on a movie.
I saw one YT video with a million views that referred to her as "fat Asian bitch" probably close to ten times.
I'm not a fan of the character and how she was written. Not the actress who plays her. The actress did a great job in trying to save the character.
When it's harassment, like what this thread is about, that statement perpetuates the same type of excuse-ism. It's simply not relevant for what the issue is.
The fact you feel more inclined to defend your fandom in this topic that is discussing the toxicity of fandom against someone is quite telling of your character.
"I deserve this job because I'm motivated, hard working, and I had enough taste to hate The Last Jedi but wouldn't be an ass about it on twitter. I just felt like you needed to know this about me right at this moment because I can't tell when information is necessary and when it isn't."
Nah, as the OP pointed out this thing goes far back, George Lucas and the kid who played Anakin in the prequels were both harassed.
Stop making every single thing Russia related, Russia is becoming a boogeyman at this point. The people that do stuff like this, look exactly like you and me, not all of them are "12 year olds" either, some probably pass as normal guys with regular jobs, friends and a social life. There is no type when it comes to this kind of behavior
There's close to a hundred TLJ threads on ERA in which are appropriate places to criticize her character in the film and relitigate TLJ. A thread about someone being bullied off of the internet because of what she looks like is not one of them.
Why is this such a difficult concept for people to understand
What hurts the most is that super-cute reaction video that Mrs. Tran posted is gone from the internet now. I really hope someone archived it.
People make entertainment. Other people weren't as entertained as they wanted to be. Harassment is clearly required.
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What the fuck. At what point did this make sense to anyone.
It's extremely disheartening to see how uniting people sharing these disgraceful desires through social networks remains as easy as ever. Hope she and many others never experience stuff like that in in the future.
I wish networks would honestly apply harsh guidelines/sanctions to stop this constant bullshit. Entertainment isn't the nightmare these people turn it into, it's good to see her coworkers react.
Edit: About people sharing their feedback about the character, I can understand that one would assume this harassment comes from a dislike of the character itself, thus prompting to share that "I didn't like X too, but" to state that it's okay to dislike something while staying respectful. It's an important message indeed, as it should be the norm. However in this story, it's not only about it, harassment doesn't only come from a plot dislike. Do NOT compare yourselves to people who "also didn't like". They have far more nefarious thoughts in their minds to turn to harassment.
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What the fuck. At what point did this make sense to anyone.
It's extremely disheartening to see how uniting people sharing these disgraceful desires through social networks remains as easy as ever. Hope she and many others never experience stuff like that in in the future.
I wish networks would honestly apply harsh guidelines/sanctions to stop this constant bullshit. Entertainment isn't the nightmare these people turn it into, it's good to see her coworkers react.
Edit: About people sharing their feedback about the character, I can understand that one would assume this harassment comes from a dislike of the character itself, thus prompting to share that "I didn't like X too, but" to state that it's okay to dislike something while staying respectful. It's an important message indeed, as it should be the norm. However in this story, it's not only about it, harassment doesn't only come from a plot dislike. Do NOT compare yourselves to people who "also didn't like". They have far more nefarious thoughts in their minds to turn to harassment.
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What the fuck is wrong with these losers? You have to truly be a sad, pathetic piece of shit to harass anyone online, let alone someone who contributed to a series you supposedly like.
These "fans" don't seem to actually enjoy the series though. They're the kind of people who are obsessed with it yet bitch and moan about it nonstop.
These "fans" don't seem to actually enjoy the series though. They're the kind of people who are obsessed with it yet bitch and moan about it nonstop.
