It won't matter Kanye fans have their own line, that exists just for him
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It won't matter Kanye fans have their own line, that exists just for him
No. We are talking about the separation of an artist's product and personal behaviour. A better comparison would be defending some of Trump's politics while expressing disdain for his behaviour.
Furthermore, there are commonalities between "deeply troubled" artists who express internal struggles through their work. There is often an expression of remorse and frustration with not being able to overcome those struggles. I have no issue with an artist who has done questionable thing (abhorrent is a separate issue) and expresses a desire to become better and change. Trump has not expressed any remorse for his behaviour or a desire to better himself. He repeatedly engages in the same problematic behaviour (not to mention he's also, like, 70. He had plenty of time to work on himself and failed to do so). I do not support or defend that.
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Nah, the problem with this is that it's a concrete representation of people's unwavering opinions. The entire point of these discussions is to learn and grow. Making that chart is equivalent to saying "this is what I believe and nothing you can say will change that," which is just childish.
They are plenty of people out there who try to separate trumps politics from Trump himself which doesn't work how we're having a whole Supreme Court case because of it .
You're trying to separate a man from his personal beliefs which is impossible. You just don't think the issue is big enough for you to give up the artist that's what it comes down to. I mean at no point has Kanye West ever shown remorse for his support for Donald Trump that's who he is and for certain people like me that's a No-No for other people they don't care. And that's all right you are who you are but don't use the separate artist from art thing cuz It doesn't work especially when it comes to rap.
Yes you can. Attitudes and behaviours are not interrelated:
https://www.simplypsychology.org/attitudes.html
You're being a reductionist. People are multifaceted and extremely complex.
Never focus too much on psychological complexities to the point where you begin throwing out morality and what is right
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I'm not, but I also know that morality is not that simple. Is morality an objective or subjective truth? Both?
Regardless, people regularly attribute a single belief or idea to an individual's entire disposition. It is possible that a person, such as Kanye, can hold a morally questionable belief (or a few) and still have many redeeming qualities or morally exceptional beliefs. This speaks to the inherent complexity of a person's belief system that has developed through decades of conditioning and learning. It is possible that someone can develop questionable beliefs through questionable learning patterns: interpersonal relationships, environmental upbringing, role modelling. For me, it's a question of intent, which is not easy to discern. But when someone expresses a questionable belief, what is their intent? Is it malicious, or misdirected?
An important concept to remember is the fundamental attribution error. Simply put, if you were in Kanye's position and had the self-awareness to acknowledge your faulty belief, you would try to attribute the cause to anything other than your personal disposition (your character). You would attempt to explain the cause as something outside of your control. In contrast, when someone else expresses a faulty belief, people are quick to attribute it to the person's character. They're a "bad" person and there is no other explanation.
For example, when you're in traffic and someone speeds by you, what are some common thoughts that arise? "Oh, what a dick/asshole/loser, doesn't he/she know how dangerous that is?" You attribute the behaviour of "driving fast" to the individual's disposition (asshole, prick, loser). Yet, if the roles were reversed and you were the one speeding through traffic, there would suddenly be a different explanation for the behaviour. It would instead be things like "oh I was in a rush" or "I was late for work." There would be an explanation for your behaviour. You would not say "oh, I was speeding? Ya, that's cause I'm an asshole." This applies to all other behaviours and the judgements/explanations that follow.
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You're looking at it from a mico perspective that focuses more on nuance and the person's own individual reasoning and trying to come to an understanding of that. If you do that with any person, even a murderer, you can rationalize everything anyone does.
Look at these artists from the macro, that is the impact, influence, and platform they have and how what they say directly impacts those around them. Kanye supporting Candace Owens/Trump brings validation towards Alt-Right/Republicans which they will then use to support their claims that they are somehow a party that is for people of color, when that could not be further from the truth. In addition an artist like Kanye, whether we like it or not, is influential. Whether it be to hypebeasts that buy his clothing or young impressionable people that resonate with his music and then look to him to for guidance. All of these factors are things I cannot turn a blind eye to and let pass. That type of influence and power and the ramification his statements hold make me want to not support him at all. That's my line.
In your perspective with artists such as Kodak, XXX, or 6ix9ine people refuse to support them for different reasons. Those artists have directly hurt or affected other individuals because of their explicit actions. They have been tried and punished for what they did, but even then people don't want to financially support anyone that has committed those crimes. Does that speak more to rehabilitation for people who have committed crimes and not giving them a second chance? Maybe, but that's a different topic entirely and it could be argued none of those artists have been rehabilitated at all especially because of their rise to fame. That rise to fame is another reason people don't want to support artists like that. What examples does it set for everyone if an abuser, sexual abuser, and someone involved with a child performing sexual acts are the most prominent figures in mainstream hip-hop? That devalues hip-hop being taken a serious art form, and more importantly creates and permeates a toxic culture where no one is held to any consequences.
To keep it short, most people don't like supporting garbage. That line is easy to distinguish when you look at their actions who it affects and what that means in the grand scheme of things. And no that does not apply to buying an Apple product and inadvertently supporting child labor, Apple doesn't come out and say "We stand for child labor" or "James Heywood INNOCENT"
You're looking at it from a mico perspective that focuses more on nuance and the person's own individual reasoning and trying to come to an understanding of that. If you do that with any person, even a murderer, you can rationalize everything anyone does.
Look at these artists from the macro, that is the impact, influence, and platform they have and how what they say directly impacts those around them. Kanye supporting Candace Owens/Trump brings validation towards Alt-Right/Republicans which they will then use to support their claims that they are somehow a party that is for people of color, when that could not be further from the truth. In addition an artist like Kanye, whether we like it or not, is influential. Whether it be to hypebeasts that buy his clothing or young impressionable people that resonate with his music and then look to him to for guidance. All of these factors are things I cannot turn a blind eye to and let pass. That type of influence and power and the ramification his statements hold make me want to not support him at all. That's my line.
In your perspective with artists such as Kodak, XXX, or 6ix9ine people refuse to support them for different reasons. Those artists have directly hurt or affected other individuals because of their explicit actions. They have been tried and punished for what they did, but even then people don't want to financially support anyone that has committed those crimes. Does that speak more to rehabilitation for people who have committed crimes and not giving them a second chance? Maybe, but that's a different topic entirely and it could be argued none of those artists have been rehabilitated at all especially because of their rise to fame. That rise to fame is another reason people don't want to support artists like that. What examples does it set for everyone if an abuser, sexual abuser, and someone involved with a child performing sexual acts are the most prominent figures in mainstream hip-hop? That devalues hip-hop being taken a serious art form, and more importantly creates and permeates a toxic culture where no one is held to any consequences.
To keep it short, most people don't like supporting garbage. That line is easy to distinguish when you look at their actions who it affects and what that means in the grand scheme of things. And no that does not apply to buying an Apple product and inadvertently supporting child labor, Apple doesn't come out and say "We stand for child labor" or "James Heywood INNOCENT"
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Pretty fucking good tbh
much better than the garbage ridden MAGA trash heap of supporting a shitty human being and even shittier music
much better than the garbage ridden MAGA trash heap of supporting a shitty human being and even shittier music
2018. The beginning of the Rainbow Wars, whew.Drake refusing to leave the panic room inside his Toronto Mansion
The start of the Rainbow Wars story arc involving Tekashi69, Kee, Uzi and whoever that other Lil is (I assume it's a Lil, I can't differentiate these skinny dread-wearing brehs anymore)
Kanye fans coming up with the wildest explanations for his hilariously subpar album
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teyana's album is 7 tracks:
i still think it'll be good. that snippet sounds fire, and this thing is supposed to be polo ye production. imagine teyana on '03 Bonnie & Clyde or All Falls Down or really just soul chopping Ye production in general, whewwwwww
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and yeah that snippet sounds like something he would've produced in the mid-2000s
It's childish, and made a little in jest, but it's the kind of sentiment I was speaking to in these conversations, people get defensive and don't change their minds.
What's crazy is that I know Kanye is influential, but I never met anyone in real life who actually likes him. All people ever did was talk shit about him, acting like he is the worst dude ever. This is all prior to the MAGA shit. I'm literally the only person in my group of friends who likes/liked Ye at all.
this is another snippet of that same song:
so in for this.
Hell Can Wait is such a good EP. still bumping Blue Suede to this day, whew
there's this dude in my class who is a huge kanye west fan. he's got the vans old skools, the spotify playlists, all the telltale signs.
shocked about the 8.
shocked about the 8.
People associate vans with Kanye and not boosts? Seems like a OF thing.
i'd like to see Nas get this sound too but i'm guessing he'll get some RZA and/or Dilla-inspired beats
absolutely stunning
up there with MBDTF and house of balloons as melon's most crazy reviews. the AUDACITY
I'm writing up something more thorough on the Kanye album, but the gist of it is:
The new record is a mess, but it's the kind of mess that'll have the faithful claiming Kanye's the new Jackson Pollock.
The new record is a mess, but it's the kind of mess that'll have the faithful claiming Kanye's the new Jackson Pollock.
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