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KTC

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Dec 7, 2017
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A lot of the time they dont know theyre sleeping with someone taken

If they do know then theyre an asshole as simple as that

This happened to me although not with a married woman. I was having a friends with benefits relationship with this woman i met when i was 18 and she was 20, we would meet up 2-3 times a week and just go crazy. We knew each other semi-well but i had never been to her home or met any of her family, whereas she met my mum (i introduced her as a friend though) and had stayed at my house a bunch of times.

Anyway about 6 months later i found out that she was engaged to a man in the British Army and he was serving in Afghanistan (this was circa 2004), and they had been together since they were 15 years old and planned on getting married after the tour he was currently on. I only met a few of her friends and they all hated my guts. One of them told me everything about their relationship and was amazed i wasn't aware of it, she showed me his Myspace page and MSN Messenger profile where they had pictures together and all sorts.

I ended things immediately. I saw her a year later with her friend that told me, and she had told me that she had broken up with her fiance (her friend confirmed it lol) and wondered if i wanted to get together some time but i noped out of that pretty quickly.

I hated myself for being that other guy but she played it so well. She didn't wear her engagement ring and largely kept me away from her family and the majority of her friends too.
 

Servbot24

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
43,113
My honest visceral reaction is "why would you bring so much drama into your life on purpose."

that just seems so stressful and complicated
Same here. The morality of it is definitely questionable, but I wouldn't avoid it just because of that or even the threat of the husband, I'd avoid it because it sounds like an emotional pain in the ass.
 

SpecX

The Fallen
Oct 30, 2017
1,810
A lot of the time they dont know theyre sleeping with someone taken

If they do know then theyre an asshole as simple as that
This right here. If a woman tells me she's married or in a relationship, then I leave it be. I have no respect for a man that chases a woman already in a committed relationship, especially if it's a marriage. I agree both sides have to act in order for cheating to occur, but if she says she's married or you see she has a ring, that should trigger you to hit the brakes.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
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Dec 24, 2017
17,655
Quick question, what degree do you have or the people that believe this is thread is flawed?
I don't have a degree but I'm not claiming experience here, I'm also not claiming anything considered far outside the norm. What you are saying as evidenced by the responses in this thread, not just in response to you but in general as it pertains to cheating, is outside the norm. If you challenge existing social conventions I think that's fine, but have the data to back it up. 91% of respondents to this Gallup poll in 2013 say cheating is morally wrong: http://news.gallup.com/poll/162689/record-high-say-gay-lesbian-relations-morally.aspx
 

Sanjuro

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Oct 25, 2017
31,055
Massachusetts
I don't have a degree but I'm not claiming experience here, I'm also not claiming anything considered far outside the norm. What you are saying as evidenced by the responses in this thread, not just in response to you but in general as it pertains to cheating, is outside the norm. If you challenge existing social conventions I think that's fine, but have the data to back it up. 91% of respondents to this Gallup poll in 2013 say cheating is morally wrong: http://news.gallup.com/poll/162689/record-high-say-gay-lesbian-relations-morally.aspx

Jesus. That poll is proving my point. Sad to see where humanity draws the line.
 

Glendemonium

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May 21, 2018
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My exp is I didn't find out she was still married afterwards, took a little poking around (which is considered a no-no 'cause trust, etc). Where I live it's actually common for people to marry young and not go to college or do things with their life, just marriage shortly after HS and such. They were separated for a couple years, marriage ran its course but neither bothered to file for divorce since the "ex" provides well, but has been cheating on her.

This justifies nothing, she said she were separated so dumb ol' me thought they were divorced, not "in process" of divorce.

Didn't think it was a thing for people in a failing marriage do, and I was scared as shit for weeks since I thought "if he found out, I'm dead." It also reminded me of that Fresh Prince episode where Carlton lost his v-card to a married woman. Having a life milestone snatched away in an instant.
 

Hellwarden

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Oct 25, 2017
34,130
I have to wonder how the "Whatever man, it's just banging" group would feel if they were the ones being cheated on. Would they really have the emotional clarity to look at the person their partner cheated with, and think "Well, it's not his/her fault. The relationship was already on the rocks."

For the most part, I'm very doubtful.
 

Zedelima

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Oct 25, 2017
7,718
Reading this thread...some of you people are weird.
Like,yes, the person who is married is clearly wrong, because you made a vow to someone and breaking it makes you a piece of shit.
But people saying "thats not my problem, i go for married people the same way" its the worst kind of people.
You can break a family apart, cause fights inside the house, the children can have depression because of that and lets not start to talk about people getting injured or even get yourself killed.
If you can do that snd be in peace with your mind, you are a fucking sociopath (well,maybe both are)
 

Shadybiz

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Oct 27, 2017
10,111
A lot of the time they dont know theyre sleeping with someone taken

If they do know then theyre an asshole as simple as that

One of the best first posts I've ever seen. 100% agreed.

If they don't know, it's on the married person.

If they do know, it's on them both.

If the spouse knows too (and approves), it's all good.

If the spouse knows and joins in, it's even better.

This is also perfectly reasonable. I'm not into the whole open thing, but if all parties in the relationship are...no judgement from me.
 
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Deleted member 1258

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Nah. Fuck that. Go back to that list and tell us what you really hate.
Literally the whole conversation here is about people in an affair, which was the lowest rated thing on there. Because it sucks. But you now what to do this goal post moving shit because you somehow think because I'm against people cheating on each other, I'm against the LGBT community. Fuck off
 

Deleted member 9145

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Says a lot that you're an absolute bigot.

Grow up.

lol says the Boston fan

you guys have been arguing about jack shit for the past few pages, either provide something of substance other than vague ass arguments and talking points or shut up and leave

clarify what you think is wrong, where you stand, or don't post at all
 

Deleted member 1067

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What in the fuck is this guy on about?

He is adamant that cheating is OK, and anyone that condemns treating someone like that is a bigot?!?!!

I think I'm reading this right anyway. He/she has gone off the rails.
The most terrifying part of his posts is he is apparently counsels married couples for a living. I legitimately feel so bad for the people that walk into his office on a weekly basis.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Good lord at some of these replies. I'm a bit flabbergasted. If I met a woman out at night and we had sex, found out she's married, I'd bail in a heartbeat and break all contact.
 

Sanjuro

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Oct 25, 2017
31,055
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What in the fuck is this guy on about?

He is adamant that cheating is OK, and anyone that condemns treating someone like that is a bigot?!?!!

I think I'm reading this right anyway. He/she has gone off the rails.

You're just not reading the thread. But it's okay.

What do you gave gave questions about? I've already started serial cheaters are not okay.
 

NinjaHound

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Nov 5, 2017
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I mean, yes, like throughout most of recorded history. It ain't like "nah, just live how you want even if it's shitty and nobody will judge you", we determine if people are decent or not by the things they do and support

"If person I don't know or have never met or even exist commits a moral act I feel is deplorable they are human trash/piece of shit for life and are not redeemable"

This is what some people are throwing around in here. Also, lets assume you DO know the person in the above statement. Why do you think your judgement matters? The only people who have an opinion worth listening to are the ones that are affected by the actions taking place.
 

Inugami

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Oct 25, 2017
14,995
This isn't always the case. You could sleep with two different couples, one open, one not. You might be surprised which one has drama in the end.

People develop jealous mindsets just about anywhere.

And if it does, you're not at fault... If you can't understand the difference between a relationship that's consenting but regretful and a non consenting cheater I don't know what else to say.

If you aren't willing to have commission with your partner and you find out you aren't compatible the solution is to find the least damaging way to end the relationship so that both partners can move on.

Not convince your partner things are still okay and cheat on them.
 

MarineMountie

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Jan 18, 2018
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You're just not reading the thread. But it's okay.

What do you gave gave questions about? I've already started serial cheaters are not okay.

Not reading the thread? I made my opinion on the matter known pages ago. The person cheating is obviously the one at fault. If the person knows they are about to sleep with a married person, that tells a lot about their character and that they don't give a shit about the person that would be hurt by this.
 

Sanjuro

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Oct 25, 2017
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And if it does, you're not at fault... If you can't understand the difference between a relationship that's consenting but regretful and a non consenting cheater I don't know what else to say.

If you aren't willing to have commission with your partner and you find out you aren't compatible the solution is to find the least damaging way to end the relationship so that both partners can move on.

Not convince your partner things are still okay and cheat on them.

You're not understanding some people go in willing and it just doesn't work. I'm still shocked this thread had a black and white opinion on a grey issue.

Some people are convinced they have a particular idea in place, but when ii comes to fruition? That's subject to change. Not everyone can be at fault there.
 

Sanjuro

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not reading the thread? I made my opinion on the matter known pages ago. The person cheating is obviously the one at fault. If the person knows they are about to sleep with a married person, that tells a lot about their character and that they don't give a shit about the person that would be hurt by this.

Then why are you attacking me? I'm obviously not talking about that particular kind of person.
 

Budi

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Oct 25, 2017
13,883
Finland
"If person I don't know or have never met or even exist commits a moral act I feel is deplorable they are human trash/piece of shit for life and are not redeemable"

This is what some people are throwing around in here. Also, lets assume you DO know the person in the above statement. Why do you think your judgement matters? The only people who have an opinion worth listening to are the ones that are affected by the actions taking place.
I really don't think most people who consider cheating in a marriage/relationship to be wrong would still call a cheater "irredeemable trash person" or something like that, unless they are the one affected then it's more likely though. Personally I think people can do mistakes and missteps in many things without being irreedemable, cheating is one of those things. Now of course if someone gets their kicks from having sex specifically with people in a relationship I would definitely question that much strongly. It's an internet forum so many views and opinions can come off as extreme. And it shouldn't matter if we are ever meeting the person commiting the act when we are condeming the act itself. Killer is still a killer even if I don't know them, to use an extreme example of course not comparing it to cheating. Just to hammer down the point that it doesn't matter if it's someone I know personally.

You're not understanding some people go in willing and it just doesn't work. I'm still shocked this thread had a black and white opinion on a grey issue.

Some people are convinced they have a particular idea in place, but when ii comes to fruition? That's subject to change. Not everyone can be at fault there.
I mean if someone is wanting to fuck outside the relationship, it's fine if it's open relationship and both parties agree to that. No problem in having sex with people in a marriage then. But OP questioned about cheating specifically and then the one in the relationship should end that relationship before fucking around. That person wanting to fuck the one in the relationship should either wait for that or fuck anyone else. If it's just sex without intent of building a proper relationship, surely there are singles out there to have sex with.
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
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Dec 24, 2017
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You read that poll and thought most of it isn't important to people because it's a minority opinion with the masses.
I have no idea what you're talking about, where did anyone say something wasn't important? Or do you mean like because most people don't agree with you we're not respecting minority opinion? What does that have to do with telling that user he's not LGBT+ friendly? That was uncalled for.

"If person I don't know or have never met or even exist commits a moral act I feel is deplorable they are human trash/piece of shit for life and are not redeemable"
So what? It's an opinion, people are entitled to think what they want. If I r anyone else thinks someone is shitty for doing a shitty thing big whoop.
This is what some people are throwing around in here. Also, lets assume you DO know the person in the above statement. Why do you think your judgement matters? The only people who have an opinion worth listening to are the ones that are affected by the actions taking place.
Don't listen to anyone's opinion then, nobody can force you. I never said my judgement "matters", I don't care if it matters or not really, it's a discussion on a video game forum.
 

SmarmySmurf

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Nov 5, 2017
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"If person I don't know or have never met or even exist commits a moral act I feel is deplorable they are human trash/piece of shit for life and are not redeemable"

This is what some people are throwing around in here.

So?

Also, lets assume you DO know the person in the above statement. Why do you think your judgement matters? The only people who have an opinion worth listening to are the ones that are affected by the actions taking place.

The topic is asking for our opinions, what else do you mean by "matters"? And if the cheater doesn't care what 'you' think, then it isn't a problem if you give your opinion. Its only a problem if they do care, and just don't like the opinion. In which case, mission accomplished.

You're not understanding some people go in willing and it just doesn't work. I'm still shocked this thread had a black and white opinion on a grey issue.

Some people are convinced they have a particular idea in place, but when ii comes to fruition? That's subject to change. Not everyone can be at fault there.

There is nothing grey about the issue.
 

NinjaHound

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Nov 5, 2017
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I really don't think most people who consider cheating in a marriage/relationship to be wrong would still call a cheater "irredeemable trash person" or something like that, unless they are the one affected then it's more likely though. Personally I think people can do mistakes and missteps in many things without being irreedemable, cheating is one of those things. Now of course if someone gets their kicks from having sex specifically with people in a relationship I would definitely question that much strongly. It's an internet forum so many views and opinions can come off as extreme. And it shouldn't matter if we are ever meeting the person commiting the act when we are condeming the act itself. Killer is still a killer even if I don't know them, to use an extreme example of course not comparing it to cheating. Just to hammer down the point that it doesn't matter if it's someone I know personally.

We all have opinions and we all internally make judgments about others, it's what makes us human. It's when we air these opinions with some sort of authority on the matter when we don't have context is what I am objecting to. Context matters.
But I mean fuck it's the internet I may as well be pushing shit uphill with a toothpick.
 

Skelepuzzle

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Apr 17, 2018
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A friend of my dad killed himself when he found out his wife cheated.

Shit can fuck you up.

Yeah. Prior to me living in my current residence, a husband in the house next door was fucking someone elses wife 2 door down. My neighbors claim they heard the wife scream from inside her house when she found out. Then they heard the subsequent gunshot when she killed her cheating husband.
 

Budi

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Oct 25, 2017
13,883
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We all have opinions and we all internally make judgments about others, it's what makes us human. It's when we air these opinions with some sort of authority on the matter when we don't have context is what I am objecting to. Context matters.
But I mean fuck it's the internet I may as well be pushing shit uphill with a toothpick.
I'm also tired about a lot of judgement I've seen even on ResetEra, or especially since I don't visit any other forums. But cheating is a scenario when someone else than the ones doing it ends up hurt, hurting others is something I and hopefully most people condemn. Betrayal of trust isn't good either. Sure context matters most of the time like when punching a Nazi, but when people are talking about things in general sense it usually doesn't involve specifics of exceptions that make a rule. Like I wouldn't of course get on someone's case who is looking for intimacy and maybe feelings of safety outside their abusive relationship/marriage. Though especially then I would think that they should get out of that abusive relationship, but I wouldn't think any less of them for cheating in such case. Nor would I blame the one offering that warmth. Or when the third wheel isn't aware of the relationship/marriage, it's not on them.

My mother cheated my father, I think she did wrong there and she knows I do. But I would still think that my mother is a good person since this one thing doesn't define who she is, but the act is still wrong. She was unhappy and they ended up divorcing. I don't really know how my father felt about the cheating since atleast he played it off with jokes, but we never talked it with him unlike I've talked it with my mother.
 
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