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BurntFoot

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Apr 10, 2018
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User banned (3 days): ignoring mod post and derailing thread
I understand the need to maintain some level of civility, but the mod edit screams of "both sides". Very disappointed. This is not a symmetrical affair, what Israel is doing is ethnic cleansing. Watering down our language only serves to obscuate that. This type of stance was how SA were able to perpetuate their apartheid system for so long. History repeating itself I'm afraid.
 

Djawed

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Oct 27, 2017
694
I bet the coward who shot her was smiling after. There's a huge disease in that country
 

Djawed

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Oct 27, 2017
694
It has come to my attention that the mainstream media has taken thr israeli narrative of the army "looking into this(mistake)" instead of calling the atrocity as it is, a warcrime. This just shows how the media works. There is no such thing as independent coverage in the stuff we get served. It all comes from the same source. The same narrative literally plastered everywhere for the big news outlets.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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pic of the nurse (in white) Razan Al-Najar moments before she was killed by a sniper shot from the IDF, they were going towards wounded with arms up

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This is heartbreaking. All I see here are good people, in the truest sense.
 

BumbaT BrowN

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Oct 27, 2017
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The isreali government is just fucking awful. Why does the world allow them to get away with these attrocities to humanity? Seriously why? Look at the language the media uses to downplay what is going on. Not enough condemnation going on. Its brutal and barbaric, they have no excuses. These israeli soldiers dont have a mind of their own? Bunch of murderers, ethnic cleansing is a hobby now...
 

Prine

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Oct 25, 2017
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The isreali government is just fucking awful. Why does the world allow them to get away with these attrocities to humanity? Seriously why? Look at the language the media uses to downplay what is going on. Not enough condemnation going on. Its brutal and barbaric, they have no excuses. These israeli soldiers dont have a mind of their own? Bunch of murderers, ethnic cleansing is a hobby now...

I simply don't understand it, how can we punish others for having the same disregard for innocence, and yet stand by and allow the Israeli government to exterminate, opress and treat Palestinians like sub humans. I mean as much as they say thier neighbours don't believe in thier right to exist, its them who are trying to gobble up Palestine and remove its people, who block any motion of significance towards the statehood of Palestine, they don't believe in Palestines right to exist or for its people to prosper, because that would slow down thier plans for complete control.
 
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Disco

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Oct 25, 2017
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It has come to my attention that the mainstream media has taken thr israeli narrative of the army "looking into this(mistake)" instead of calling the atrocity as it is, a warcrime. This just shows how the media works. There is no such thing as independent coverage in the stuff we get served. It all comes from the same source. The same narrative literally plastered everywhere for the big news outlets.

Credit goes to organizations like AIPAC doing the devils work in normalizing the apartheid states actions and rewording the narrative in the media
 

Helot_Azure

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Oct 29, 2017
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This act needs to be condemned by every civilized country in the world and beyond.

Yes, that includes the United States. We should have enough guts to criticize Israel when they fuck up on this level.
 

Rush_Khan

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Oct 26, 2017
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There you have it. They give no sods about murdering innocent civilians. And apparently there are first world countries that are absolutely fine with this. This is the world we live in, folks. The privileged continue to gain while the deprived continue to lose. Truly heartbreaking.

The only thing we can do is continue to donate to charities and groups working on the ground to help these people.
 

Obvious

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Apr 21, 2018
84
This is what happens when your goal is to ethnically cleanse a region in the information age where everyone has a camera. If Israel swarmed the region and murdered indiscriminately they would lose their victim status, so instead they kill some civilians, wait for the international community to forget, kill some more civilians, wait for the international community to forget again...
 

data

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Oct 25, 2017
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So unfortunate that this conflict has gone on for so long that so many innocent people are caught in the crossfire.

Especially those who are trying to help others
 

zer0blivion

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Oct 27, 2017
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This is what happens when your goal is to ethnically cleanse a region in the information age where everyone has a camera. If Israel swarmed the region and murdered indiscriminately they would lose their victim status, so instead they kill some civilians, wait for the international community to forget, kill some more civilians, wait for the international community to forget again...

They're also trying to make it illegal to film IDF soldiers.

LIBERMAN BACKS BILL TARGETING NGOS THAT FILM IDF SOLDIERS
https://www.jpost.com//Arab-Israeli...-targeting-NGOs-that-film-IDF-soldiers-549623
 

Jexhius

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Oct 25, 2017
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So unfortunate that this conflict has gone on for so long that so many innocent people are caught in the crossfire.

Especially those who are trying to help others
Describing the situation as a 'conflict' with people 'caught in the middle' is a mischaracterization of the situation, as it implies aggressive actions from 'both sides'. This is not a symmetrical conflict between equal sides - it's the US-backed Israeli government's subjugation and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.

I do think the language used is important because when Palestinians went to the fence to protest the Embassy moving to Jerusalem and were murdered by Israeli forces, those protesters weren't part of some 'conflict' either. It's truly unfortunate that this nurse was also murdered by Israeli forces, but she is one of hundreds of blameless Palestinians that have been killed, and tens of thousands injured, in the last month alone. This has been going on for years.

Until the US stops supporting Israel, nothing will be done about this internationally. As Israel has bipartisan support within the US, that's unlikely to happen anytime soon.
 
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Menx64

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Oct 30, 2017
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Hoping this will end some day soon. Israel is a terrorist state and the is is enabling it. May her beautiful soul rest in peace.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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User Banned (3 Days): Ignoring Modpost + Derailment
of course the nazi analogy is highly charged. That's the point of making it imo. the current Israeli regime and the us and other nations supporting it are literally wiping out a race of people
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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Describing the situation as a 'conflict' with people 'caught in the middle' is a mischaracterization of the situation, as it implies aggressive actions from 'both sides'. This is not a symmetrical conflict between equal sides - it's the US-backed Israeli government's subjugation and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.

I do think the language used is important because when Palestinians went to the fence to protest the Embassy moving to Jerusalem and were murdered by Israeli forces, those protesters weren't part of some 'conflict' either. It's truly unfortunate that this nurse was also murdered by Israeli forces, but she is one of hundreds of blameless Palestinians that have been killed, and tens of thousands injured, in the last month alone. This has been going on for years.

Until the US stops supporting Israel, nothing will be done about this internationally. As Israel has bipartisan support within the US, that's unlikely to happen anytime soon.
well said, i always get angry at people who call it a conflict and blame both sides. this is a one-sided genocide. the palestinians have no power or leverage. resistance from them should be celebrated, not condemned.
 

Jeb

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Mar 14, 2018
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Reminder: Boycott Isreal.

Get as many as your friends to do it too.

It's the only semblance of power we have left, it is the least we can do.
 

Carl2291

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Oct 27, 2017
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It will forever be amazing to me how Israel has control over the West.

This is disgusting.
 

Karasseram

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Jan 15, 2018
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The religious right in Norway too supports Israel cause they are gods chosen people. One of the reasons I despise organized religion I have to admit.
 

sirap

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Oct 25, 2017
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User Banned (1 Week): Ignoring mod post. History of similar behaviour.
of course the nazi analogy is highly charged. That's the point of making it imo. the current Israeli regime and the us and other nations supporting it are literally wiping out a race of people

It's just proof that the world has gone to shit. Good is bad, bad is good. Palestinians are dying, innocents are getting slaughtered and people would rather hide behind empty rhetorics or bury their heads to pretend this genocide isn't happening.

How can anyone look at photos of that woman dying and think "God forbid I hurt the feelings of her murderer!". Shame on the people in power who continue to enable this atrocity. You were supposed to be better.
 
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Djawed

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Oct 27, 2017
694
It's just proof that the world has gone to shit. Good is bad, bad is good. Palestinians are dying, innocents are getting slaughtered and people would rather hide behind empty rhetorics or bury their heads to pretend this genocide isn't happening.

How can anyone look at photos of that woman dying and think "God forbid I hurt the feelings of her murderer!". Shame on the people in power who continue to enable this atrocity. You were supposed to be better.
The indoctrination and manipulation starts early. We're all victims one way or another.
 
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DiipuSurotu

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Oct 25, 2017
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It will forever be amazing to me how Israel has control over the West.

This is disgusting.

Ugh, will the conspiracy theories ever stop?

Israel doesn't have "control" over the West. The West is willingly supporting Israel. (To varying degrees anyway; the US supports it much more than Europe does, although the fact that Europe supports it at all is already too much.)
 

Carl2291

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Oct 27, 2017
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User Banned (3 Days): Posting conspiracy theories.
Ugh, will the conspiracy theories ever stop?

Israel doesn't have "control" over the West. The West is willingly supporting Israel. (To varying degrees anyway; the US supports it much more than Europe does, although the fact that Europe supports it at all is already too much.)
Willingly. I wonder why.
 

Djawed

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Oct 27, 2017
694
Credit goes to organizations like AIPAC doing the devils work in normalizing the apartheid states actions and rewording the narrative in the media
How is it that the israeli murderers looking into it is (the more relevant) news before the fact that the girl was murdered in the first place. Like how is this the news everyone 'coincidentally' is covering? Journalism is such a fucking joke
 

Jeb

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Mar 14, 2018
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Ugh, will the conspiracy theories ever stop?

Israel doesn't have "control" over the West. The West is willingly supporting Israel. (To varying degrees anyway; the US supports it much more than Europe does, although the fact that Europe supports it at all is already too much.)
I'd argue that it isn't really a conspiracy theory and should not be a bannable offense.

Isreal, has control similar to the NRA as in it has lobby groups applying political pressure to the US, thus control.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-lobby/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5c4c1d3e1417



The result is unwavering unanimous support for Isreal in the US political scene.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-zunes/congressional-support-for_b_167197.html

https://www.haaretz.com/u-s-senate-...ving-full-support-of-israel-on-gaza-1.5256107

Hell, some states went as far as banning their right to boycott Isreal, for a country that touts itself as the greatest supporter of freedom of speech, they are willing to give up their citizens rights for another country.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...ake-it-a-federal-crime-to-boycott-israel.html

The claim is reasonable to make, just like corporations, gun rights advocates and oil companies have control on US politicians, it is completely reasonable to say so does Isreal and it's advocates.

This should not be a bannable offense.
 

raterpillar

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Nov 12, 2017
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User Banned (Permanent): Ignoring Moderation + History of bigotry, history of infractions.
I understand the need to maintain some level of civility, but the mod edit screams of "both sides". Very disappointed. This is not a symmetrical affair, what Israel is doing is ethnic cleansing. Watering down our language only serves to obscuate that. This type of stance was how SA were able to perpetuate their apartheid system for so long. History repeating itself I'm afraid.
If this totally fucking innocuous post is bannable, you better ban me too. I think it will be my permaban because I've racked up a few infractions.
 

Djawed

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Oct 27, 2017
694
User Banned (Permanent): Ignoring mod post and derailing thread, history of antisemitism.
Very odd indeed. That seemed like a reasonable post imo. I wish (some) mods tried better to avoid being part of the problem.
 

duckroll

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Oct 25, 2017
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Singapore
I don't see the need to use kids gloves on this Israel situation. They are committing genocide, sponsored and approved by much of the western world because Muslims are scary and God's chosen people are friendly to American businesses. It's not a "complex" problem with a lot of nuance. It's just people in power being selfish human trash, and the general populace being too apathetic to make enough noise.
 

zer0blivion

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Oct 27, 2017
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Democracy Now!: "A Source of Positivity All the Time": Remembering Palestinian Medic Razan al-Najjar, Killed by IDF

Witnesses say Israeli soldiers shot dead 21-year-old Palestinian medic Razan al-Najjar as she ran toward the border fence to provide medical aid to a wounded protester. Since nonviolent protests began at the end of March, Israeli soldiers have killed at least 119 people, including 14 children. More than 13,000 have been wounded. "It was clear to everybody that she was a paramedic, that that was murder. I mean, that was a crime committed before cameras," said Dr. Medhat Abbas, director of Al-Shifa Hospital, the largest medical facility in the Gaza Strip. We also speak with Najjar's cousin, Dalia al-Najjar, who says the response of the international community to the Gaza crisis has been "really disappointing," and notes the U.S. vetoed a draft U.N. resolution urging the protection of Palestinians on Friday, the same day Najjar was killed. "It's a shameful side that the United States decided to take."

Heartbreaking interview with the cousin of Razan al-Najjar.
 

dusteatingbug

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Dec 1, 2017
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The IDF has released a misleadingly edited video smearing this woman as a terrorist.

In response to an international outcry over her death, the Israel Defense Forces said earlier this week that al-Najjar had been killed accidentally by a soldier aiming at someone else. Then, on Thursday, the army's social media unit began a coordinated smear campaign against her, by falsely suggesting in a video that she had been engaged in rioting and had attended the protests to shield militants disguised as protesters.

As evidence of "rioting," the military offered just 10 seconds of video, underpinned by music suitable for a horror movie, which showed a woman who was dressed like al-Najjar tossing away a tear gas canister fired at protesters by Israeli forces. If the woman was al-Najjar, the video only showed her participating in a ritual familiar to protesters around the world — tossing tear gas fired at them as far away as possible. The video also shows that she hurled the canister only a short distance, and it landed nowhere near any Israeli soldiers.

The second part of the video that supposedly excuses the killing of al-Najjar is half a sentence clipped from an interview she gave to the Lebanese broadcaster Al Mayadeen News, in which she had called her role as a protest medic being "a human shield to protect and save the injured on the front lines." An Israeli military editor cut that sentence in half to make it seems as if al-Najjar had been caught admitting that she was only present to provide cover to militants.

Truly disgusting.
 

LordFish

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Oct 25, 2017
494
I'm sorry but how are the citizens of a democracy not accountable for said democracy's actions and policy? Especially when said policy has been in effect for decades. Where are the mass isreali protests denouncing The governments actions?
Where are the international Jewish leadership groups denouncing these killings and policy?
Without any mainstream Jewish voices denouncing Israel's actions when does it become unreasonable to assume compliance and acceptance of the community at large?

If the majority of Jewish people oppose how Palestinians are treated, that sure as hell isn't communicated in any significant way in either mainstream media or social media.


For all of America's fuckery around the world you can at least bet on mass protests on the domestic front, the world sees Americans opposing America.
 
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