Gbiz: PUBG vs Fortnite: Let the market decide

Deleted member 26104 · Jun 1, 2018

AfterTheFall said:
I'll be honest I have an X and would have tried PUGB first but the fact that Digital Foundry and commenters around the internet said that it runs like trash on the platform put me off, and subsequently I didn't buy it. I downloaded Fortnite instead and play it on my X and Pro. Fortnite is really good and I like the ascetics and art style.

You're missing out. Don't listen to the vocal people that haven't even played it for 6 months. On the X it runs at a pretty stable 30fps most of the time outside of the first 2 minutes when it's all loading in.

Put it this way - did you play and enjoy games on the PS1/2/3 and XB/360 generations, or did you think that most games ran like trash? PUBG runs much the same as most games from previous generations. 30fps with some drops when it gets hectic.

People parroting this "the market had decided which is the better game" thing is hilarious, especially coming from this forum. PUBG on Xbox has outsold pretty much every PS4 exclusive bar 3 that were all bundled, so I guess the market had decided it's the better game? COD is the best game every year as well I suppose? The market has decided time and time again so I guess it's true.

TheChronic2060 said:
Seriously weak play from GI

To think they would argue this based on the sweeping generalisation that Bluehole wants to 'copyright a genre'.

There are fundamental issues with 'core elements of gameplay and UI' in Fortnite, which transcends any notion of genre.

At least now you know what to expect from that site when it comes to matters of intellectual property and game design.

Barely anyone in this supposed enthusiast forum even realise what the lawsuit is actually about, so can't really blame sites for putting it clickbait articles to cash in on the latest hate-boner that's getting games outraged.

dom · Jun 1, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
You're missing out. Don't listen to the vocal people that haven't even played it for 6 months. On the X it runs at a pretty stable 30fps most of the time outside of the first 2 minutes when it's all loading in.

Put it this way - did you play and enjoy games on the PS1/2/3 and XB/360 generations, or did you think that most games ran like trash? PUBG runs much the same as most games from previous generations. 30fps with some drops when it gets hectic.

People parroting this "the market had decided which is the better game" thing is hilarious, especially coming from this forum. PUBG on Xbox has outsold pretty much every PS4 exclusive bar 3 that were all bundled, so I guess the market had decided it's the better game? COD is the best game every year as well I suppose? The market has decided time and time again so I guess it's true.

Barely anyone in this supposed enthusiast forum even realise what the lawsuit is actually about, so can't really blame sites for putting it clickbait articles to cash in on the latest hate-boner that's getting games outraged.

Your console warring is so obvious. Knock it off.

HotHamBoy · Jun 1, 2018

I find it difficult to understand this lawsuit given the history and legality of clones in video games.

TehPotentialz said:
You're missing out. Don't listen to the vocal people that haven't even played it for 6 months. On the X it runs at a pretty stable 30fps most of the time outside of the first 2 minutes when it's all loading in.

Put it this way - did you play and enjoy games on the PS1/2/3 and XB/360 generations, or did you think that most games ran like trash? PUBG runs much the same as most games from previous generations. 30fps with some drops when it gets hectic.

People parroting this "the market had decided which is the better game" thing is hilarious, especially coming from this forum. PUBG on Xbox has outsold pretty much every PS4 exclusive bar 3 that were all bundled, so I guess the market had decided it's the better game? COD is the best game every year as well I suppose? The market has decided time and time again so I guess it's true.

Barely anyone in this supposed enthusiast forum even realise what the lawsuit is actually about, so can't really blame sites for putting it clickbait articles to cash in on the latest hate-boner that's getting games outraged.

I think what they mean is that Fortnite has a larger playerbase and has reached mainstream recognition. By which i mean people who don't post on video game forums.

It's pretty simple.

Pein · Jun 1, 2018

Bluehole is just salty that PUBG can't compete with fortnite. Fortnite on PS4 alone was a massive gain, so accessible because it's free to play.

Should've sold to Microsoft when they had the chance, he could've been notch rich.

BillyMays · Jun 1, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
You're missing out. Don't listen to the vocal people that haven't even played it for 6 months. On the X it runs at a pretty stable 30fps most of the time outside of the first 2 minutes when it's all loading in.

Put it this way - did you play and enjoy games on the PS1/2/3 and XB/360 generations, or did you think that most games ran like trash? PUBG runs much the same as most games from previous generations. 30fps with some drops when it gets hectic.

People parroting this "the market had decided which is the better game" thing is hilarious, especially coming from this forum. PUBG on Xbox has outsold pretty much every PS4 exclusive bar 3 that were all bundled, so I guess the market had decided it's the better game? COD is the best game every year as well I suppose? The market has decided time and time again so I guess it's true.

Barely anyone in this supposed enthusiast forum even realise what the lawsuit is actually about, so can't really blame sites for putting it clickbait articles to cash in on the latest hate-boner that's getting games outraged.

You're the most embarrassing Microsoft stan this site has other than Statham

Kayotix · Jun 1, 2018

Fortnite won, myself and all my friends loved PUBG, we tried fortnite and haven't been back to PUBG since.

Bo Neslek · Jun 1, 2018

These threads are so damn weird. These are two massively successful games, and yet what appears to be a majority of opiners in here think that one is about to teeter off into abandonware.

Ploid 6.0 · Jun 1, 2018

Fortnite is just more interesting to me. Constant features, big changes and patches to make sure things never get stale, and it just seems more fun with the things you can do. Also the fact that it's not grounded in reality allow them to do and add so much content.

Yukinari · Jun 1, 2018

Market decided they enjoy when the developer isnt a cry baby, makes a better running game and also updates said game relatively often.

I said it in the other thread about the lawsuit but that Marvel deal with Fortnite must have shook Bluehole. Fortnite built so much momentum and power that it already had an update to promote the biggest marvel film.

E.T. · Jun 2, 2018

The market decided, Fortnite reigns supreme. I enjoyed my time with PUBG but updates and communication were so poor that it grew stale.
The right game is winning with its amazing content, community interaction, excellent performance and support. Fortnite on the switch has potential to baloon into something even greater, especially if Nintendo are brought in to supply skins.

Ploid 6.0 · Jun 2, 2018

E.T. said:
The market decided, Fortnite reigns supreme. I enjoyed my time with PUBG but updates and communication were so poor that it grew stale.
The right game is winning with its amazing content, community interaction, excellent performance and support. Fortnite on the switch has potential to baloon into something even greater, especially if Nintendo are brought in to supply skins.

Just imagining the Nintendo related things puts a smile on my face. I don't know how it would work if they have cross play but just thinking about Fortnite's art style, it's perfect to incorporate most of Nintendo's IPs.

Deleted member 26104 · Jun 2, 2018

domthybomb said:
Your console warring is so obvious. Knock it off.

How about replying to the post instead of attacking the poster with a drive by comment?

I'm pointing out the ridiculous arguments being used to try and paint PUBG in a negative light, when those same arguments would be ridiculed if you applied them to the other situations where it would make era darlings look "bad".

People are saying that the "market has decided" that the most played game on Steam for months and months and months is dead. Let that sink in.

Cipherr · Jun 2, 2018

Bo Neslek said:
These threads are so damn weird. These are two massively successful games, and yet what appears to be a majority of opiners in here think that one is about to teeter off into abandonware.

Its a side effect of console wars. There was serious salt when PUBG was starting to be rumored as a Xbox exclusive. I remember it clear as day. Then FN came along and gave PS fans a horse to back, and it just grew from there. Neither 'side' has a really valid reason for being so damn hostile towards the other except hurt console warrior feelings.

They were pretty much all shitting on PUBG and calling it ugly in the beginning when it was PC only, lol.

Saint-14 · Jun 2, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
People parroting this "the market had decided which is the better game" thing is hilarious, especially coming from this forum. PUBG on Xbox has outsold pretty much every PS4 exclusive bar 3 that were all bundled, so I guess the market had decided it's the better game?

Remind how much PUBG sold on Xbox again? Right, you have no number, also why the fuck are you bringing PS4 exclusives into this? Funny how the other poster got warned simply for calling you out on what you are doing yet you walk with nothing.

TheChronic2060 · Jun 2, 2018

It may be interesting to look at the Tetris law case agains the Mino clone, a few years ago.

A New Jersey court ruled that Mino 'wholesale copied' certain elements from Tetris, and ruled in favor of The Tetris Company's claim against Xio Interactive.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/06/defining-tetris-how-courts-judge-gaming-clones/

It looks like cases like Bluehole vs Epic will still be an uphill battle in the US (and I have no idea about South Korea), since copyright legislation for videogames appear to only cover the 'expression of the underlying rules' of the game in question. But as far as I understand the judge separated the gameplay of Tetris into two parts: one set of rules which define a "basic Tetris experience", and then another set of rules which the judge deemed as protectable by copyright law.

Basic Tetris rules (not covered by copyright law):

'Tetris is a puzzle game where a user manipulates pieces composed of square blocks, each made into a different geometric shape, that fall from the top of the game board to the bottom where the pieces accumulate. The user is given a new piece after the current one reaches the bottom of the available game space. While a piece is falling, the user rotates it in order to fit it in with the accumulated pieces. The object of the puzzle is to fill all spaces along a horizontal line. If that is accomplished, the line is erased, points are earned, and more of the game board is available for play. But if the pieces accumulate and reach the top of the screen, then the game is over. These then are the general, abstract ideas underlying Tetris and cannot be protected by copyright nor can expressive elements that are inseparable from them.'

Specific Tetris rules (granted full copyright protection by the NJ judge):

The dimensions of the playing field [20 squares high by ten squares wide].

The display of "garbage" lines [the random junk that can optionally appear at the start of a game].

The appearance of "ghost" or shadow pieces [which highlight where a piece is going to land].

The display of the next piece to fall.

The change in color of the pieces when they lock with the accumulated pieces.

The appearance of squares automatically filling in the game board when the game is over.

As far as I understand, this could relate to the case at hand in a similar way, by defining the basic gameplay rules of PUBG as belonging to a public battle royale mode or genre, which is not covered by copyright law - and then a specific set of rules which are integral to the 'expression' of PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds gameplay mechanics and user interface.

Chittagong · Jun 2, 2018

It's really

Tencent vs Tencent

which makes it rather baffling.

Dr. Caroll · Jun 2, 2018

Saint-14 said:
Remind how much PUBG sold on Xbox again?

We had a thread in March that put Xbox version at 5 million players. Which is typical "players" obfuscation for online games, but it kinda lines up with how the Steam version was selling compared to the Xbox version, assuming 33 million on PC+5 million on Xbox as of March. Regardless, the game has sold really, really well. It's gonna be interesting to see whether the game falters as time goes on or whether they manage to keep it growing through patches and content updates.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/pubg-on-xbox-one-hits-5-million-players.29415/

nib95 · Jun 2, 2018

TheChronic2060 said:
Seriously weak play from GI

To think they would argue this based on the sweeping generalisation that Bluehole wants to 'copyright a genre'.

There are fundamental issues with 'core elements of gameplay and UI' in Fortnite, which transcends any notion of genre.

At least now you know what to expect from that site when it comes to matters of intellectual property and game design.

What fundamental elements are they specifically? Please do pray tell.

Saint-14 · Jun 2, 2018

Dr. Caroll said:
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Player numbers is still not sales, I never said it didn't sell well also.

Deleted member 26104 · Jun 2, 2018

Saint-14 said:
Remind how much PUBG sold on Xbox again? Right, you have no number, also why the fuck are you bringing PS4 exclusives into this? Funny how the other poster got warned simply for calling you out on what you are doing yet you walk with nothing.

I bring it up to prove a point, that those games are hailed as massive successes and proof that single player games are alive and well because of their sales, but then a game that outsells many of them is labelled dead and "the market has chosen". It's got nothing to do with them being PS4 games, it could be switch games or Xbox games. It's the hypocrisy that I'm pointing out, and the most recent and biggest examples of those sales threads are god of war and any other big PS4 single player game.

PUBG just can't catch a break here. It's spoken about like it's the inventor of loot boxes with the amount of hate and vitriol that people send it's way.

Saint-14 · Jun 2, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
I bring it up to prove a point, that those games are hailed as massive successes and proof that single player games are alive and well because of their sales, but then a game that outsells them is labelled dead and "the market has chosen". It's got nothing to do with them being PS4 games, it could be switch games or Xbox games. It's the hypocrisy that I'm pointing out, and the most recent and biggest examples of those sales threads are god of war and any other big PS4 single player game.

PUBG just can't catch a break here. It's spoken about like it's the inventor of loot boxes with the amount of hate and vitriol that people send it's way.

The games that are hailed as the saviors of SP games are GoW, Horizon, Zelda, etc and all of them have outsold PUBG on Xbox as far as we know so you just made your point wrong, people aren't calling PUBG dead (sure there might be one or two who think so) but it is bleeding players and it is evident.

Aldi · Jun 2, 2018

Cipherr said:
Its a side effect of console wars. There was serious salt when PUBG was starting to be rumored as a Xbox exclusive. I remember it clear as day. Then FN came along and gave PS fans a horse to back, and it just grew from there.

This, i can agree with. Not so much era, but I've seen some massive hate towards Pubg from Sony only gamers.

It's a shame that some feel like that, as both games are great.

Dr. Caroll · Jun 2, 2018

Saint-14 said:
Player numbers is still not sales, I never said it didn't sell well also.

As a general rule, companies don't disclose copies sold for multiplayer games. The only reason we know PUBG sold 33+ million copies on Steam was through SteamSpy. And even then that's "ownership" data not strictly speaking "copies sold" data.

The mobile version is kinda interesting, too. It has had over 50 million downloads through the Google Play store. And that's a divide you don't hear talked about. Fortnite is not available on Android yet. The mobile versions of Fortnite and PUBG are huuuuuuge but they don't get talked about much on forums like this because they're mobile games.

BillyMays · Jun 2, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
I bring it up to prove a point, that those games are hailed as massive successes and proof that single player games are alive and well because of their sales, but then a game that outsells many of them is labelled dead and "the market has chosen". It's got nothing to do with them being PS4 games, it could be switch games or Xbox games. It's the hypocrisy that I'm pointing out, and the most recent and biggest examples of those sales threads are god of war and any other big PS4 single player game.

PUBG just can't catch a break here. It's spoken about like it's the inventor of loot boxes with the amount of hate and vitriol that people send it's way.

You know how I know you're trolling

Comparing a $30 game vs $60 games then you go on to say the only reason PS4 games have big numbers is because of bundles while ignoring the fact PUBG has been bundled for 4-5 months now.

Dr. Caroll said:
As a general rule, companies don't disclose copies sold for multiplayer games. The only reason we know PUBG sold 33+ million copies on Steam was through SteamSpy. And even then that's "ownership" data not strictly speaking "copies sold" data.

The mobile version is kinda interesting, too. It has had over 50 million downloads through the Google Play store. And that's a divide you don't hear talked about. Fortnite is not available on Android yet. The mobile versions of Fortnite and PUBG are huuuuuuge but they don't get talked about much on forums like this because they're mobile games.

But it hasn't

This is from March

To date, over twenty-eight million copies of the PC version of BATTLEGROUNDS,
and over four million copies of the Xbox version of BATTLEGROUNDS have been sold.
Additionally, real-world and online BATTLEGROUNDS tournaments take place on a regular basis,
with tens of thousands of participants, attendees, and viewers.

Animal Liberation Ⓥ · Jun 2, 2018

TheChronic2060 said:
Seriously weak play from GI

To think they would argue this based on the sweeping generalisation that Bluehole wants to 'copyright a genre'.

There are fundamental issues with 'core elements of gameplay and UI' in Fortnite, which transcends any notion of genre.

At least now you know what to expect from that site when it comes to matters of intellectual property and game design.

I guess Bungie should be lining up to take Hello Games to court for the carbon copy UI.

This goes on in gaming, and has always gone on.

Art Vandelay · Jun 2, 2018

Grailly said:
That pizza analogy is really bad

I was just about to say this. Cringed so hard at that.

Dr. Caroll · Jun 2, 2018

BillyMays said:
But it hasn't

This is from March

Feb, actually, and the game was selling millions a month.

Mubrik_ · Jun 2, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
You're missing out. Don't listen to the vocal people that haven't even played it for 6 months. On the X it runs at a pretty stable 30fps most of the time outside of the first 2 minutes when it's all loading in.

Put it this way - did you play and enjoy games on the PS1/2/3 and XB/360 generations, or did you think that most games ran like trash? PUBG runs much the same as most games from previous generations. 30fps with some drops when it gets hectic.

People parroting this "the market had decided which is the better game" thing is hilarious, especially coming from this forum. PUBG on Xbox has outsold pretty much every PS4 exclusive bar 3 that were all bundled, so I guess the market had decided it's the better game? COD is the best game every year as well I suppose? The market has decided time and time again so I guess it's true.

Barely anyone in this supposed enthusiast forum even realise what the lawsuit is actually about, so can't really blame sites for putting it clickbait articles to cash in on the latest hate-boner that's getting games outraged.

You need to play it for 6 months to acknowledge performance hiccups?
the DF video is indicative enough of performance issues.

There's no way you actually believe PUBG a paid game has a bigger market share than fortnite a F2P game on consoles.

The game pretty much is the top dog on consoles atm so yes the market has decided that doesn't mean PUBG isn't doing any good. the 'better game' will always be very subjective but market share definitely isn't.

Deleted member 26104 · Jun 2, 2018

Mubrik_ said:
You need to play it for 6 months to acknowledge performance hiccups?
the DF video is indicative enough of performance issues.

There's no way you actually believe PUBG a paid game has a bigger market share than fortnite a F2P game on consoles.

The game pretty much is the top dog on consoles atm so yes the market has decided that doesn't mean PUBG isn't doing any good. the 'better game' will always be very subjective but market share definitely isn't.

No I mean that haven't played it in the last 6 months. The game performs much much much better than it did on release. Right now on the X it's basically stable 30fps 90% of the time, yet people call it trash and garbage and unplayable because they either haven't actually played it on an X recently, or because they just want to shit on it because it's PUBG. The DF video shows issues it does have, but people forget that DF are purposely trying to find issues to highlight. They don't show the 10 minutes straight of 30fps. They showed a lot of footage of the first few minutes of the games where the framerate and texture/geometry loading is bad. They try to point out the bad. That's not a knock on them, that's doing their job, letting people know the highs and lows.

I didn't say PUBG has bigger marketshare. Saying "let the market decide" in regard to market share means nothing if you're not going to then use that to say which is a better game or something like that, which is what this article is doing.

Aldi said:
This, i can agree with. Not so much era, but I've seen some massive hate towards Pubg from Sony only gamers.

It's a shame that some feel like that, as both games are great.

Not so much era? Have you not been in any PUBG threads on here? Lol. Have you not seen this very thread? So many people that haven't played it going out of their way to say how it's dead and shit and runs like garbage and is unplayable. ERA tries to paint a picture that pubg is like radical heights in terms of player numbers lol.

ironman said:
Have you tried playing PUBG with a controller? It's not a good fit for consoles and doesn't have a future there. Just like the other games we agree aren't/wouldn't be popular on console, even if it's the biggest console in the world.

What the? The games a standard TPS. It works just fine with a controller. Saying it doesn't is like saying gears of war isn't a good fit for consoles and doesn't have a future there lol. What exactly doesn't make it work with a controller?

BillyMays · Jun 2, 2018

Dr. Caroll said:
Feb, actually, and the game was selling millions a month.

It has lost over 700,000 players since February And still selling millions a month huh ?

Sounds legit

Orochinagis · Jun 2, 2018

Fornite kinds of won due Devs massive support and customization

N.Domixis · Jun 2, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
No I mean that haven't played it in the last 6 months. The game performs much much much better than it did on release. Right now on the X it's basically stable 30fps 90% of the time, yet people call it trash and garbage and unplayable because they either haven't actually played it on an X recently, or because they just want to shit on it because it's PUBG. The DF video shows issues it does have, but people forget that DF are purposely trying to find issues to highlight. They don't show the 10 minutes straight of 30fps. They showed a lot of footage of the first few minutes of the games where the framerate and texture/geometry loading is bad. They try to point out the bad. That's not a knock on them, that's doing their job, letting people know the highs and lows.

I didn't say PUBG has bigger marketshare. Saying "let the market decide" in regard to market share means nothing if you're not going to then use that to say which is a better game or something like that, which is what this article is doing.

Not so much era? Have you not been in any PUBG threads on here? Lol. Have you not seen this very thread? So many people that haven't played it going out of their way to say how it's dead and shit and runs like garbage and is unplayable. ERA tries to paint a picture that pubg is like radical heights in terms of player numbers lol.

What the? The games a standard TPS. It works just fine with a controller. Saying it doesn't is like saying gears of war isn't a good fit for consoles and doesn't have a future there lol. What exactly doesn't make it work with a controller?

What's the point if f bringing up its outsold ps4 exclusives? Once it goes to ps4 that won't even matter. And since it's on pc it's no surprise that's we're they game is biggest.

Dr. Caroll · Jun 2, 2018

BillyMays said:
It has lost over 700,000 players since February And still selling millions a month huh ?

Sounds legit

We don't know how many copies it selling each month anymore because SteamSpy isn't working anymore. It is currently the 6th best seller on Steam. (It's the third best selling game on the platform overall.) I'm not sure you appreciate just how popular PUBG is on Steam. The last 24 hour peak for PUBG was 2,175,704 players. PUBG is the most popular game on the platform by a huge margin. DOTA 2, the second most popular, comes in at 844,713. CSGO at 454,481. R6: Siege at 142,362. And so on.
http://steamcharts.com/top

N.Domixis · Jun 3, 2018

Dr. Caroll said:
We don't know how many copies it selling each month anymore because SteamSpy isn't working anymore. It is currently the 6th best seller on Steam. (It's the third best selling game on the platform overall.) I'm not sure you appreciate just how popular PUBG is on Steam. The last 24 hour peak for PUBG was 2,175,704 players. PUBG is the most popular game on the platform by a huge margin. DOTA 2, the second most popular, comes in at 844,713. CSGO at 454,481. R6: Siege at 142,362. And so on.
http://steamcharts.com/top

Did it ever hit 3M?

BillyMays · Jun 3, 2018

Dr. Caroll said:
We don't know how many copies it selling each month anymore because SteamSpy isn't working anymore. It is currently the 6th best seller on Steam. (It's the third best selling game on the platform overall.) I'm not sure you appreciate just how popular PUBG is on Steam. The last 24 hour peak for PUBG was 2,175,704 players. PUBG is the most popular game on the platform by a huge margin. DOTA 2, the second most popular, comes in at 844,713. CSGO at 454,481. R6: Siege at 142,362. And so on.
http://steamcharts.com/top

Lol what ?

We know the game sold 28 million on PC around February/March. Are you really claiming that it sold 5 million copies in that same time frame while losing over 700,000 players ? Lmaoooooooooooooooooooo and maybe you should learn to read because the 24- hour peak is 1.6 million not 2.1.

N.Domixis said:
Did it ever hit 3M?

All-time peak was 3.2

Dr. Caroll · Jun 3, 2018

N.Domixis said:
Did it ever hit 3M?

It hit 3.2 million five months ago, around January/Feb. It started declining in Feb and is still declining. There are a number of factors, including the devs taking too long to fix issues. The cheating problem, particularly centered around China, has been a major source of complaints. They banned a million users in January alone, and they're still having problems.

BillyMays said:
Lol what ?

We know the game sold 28 million on PC around February/March. Are you really claiming that it sold 5 million copies in that same time frame while losing over 700,000 players?

The game was still selling steadily when SteamSpy stopped working. I feel like you're making a huge deal about the peak player count dropping when the game could lose half it's current player numbers and still be the top game on Steam. If the game continues to bleed players for the next six months that will be a problem. But decreasing peak player numbers does not mean the game is not selling millions of copies.

BillyMays said:
The 24- hour peak is 1.6 million not 2.1.

Good point. I misread the average number as the peak.

SlickShoes · Jun 3, 2018

How many people are playing pubg on an Xbox one X?

I have it on my S and tried it 2 days ago, I landed in a town and had to wait two full minutes for the buildings to load in before I could do anything at all.

Most people aren't playing on an x, and it runs like total garbage for them.

aerozombie · Jun 3, 2018

Honestly I think they are sufficiently different, it's a military shooter Vs a base builder, and they have the same mode. If both CoD and BF thrive at the same time, these 2 can as well

SK4TE · Jun 3, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
You're missing out. Don't listen to the vocal people that haven't even played it for 6 months. On the X it runs at a pretty stable 30fps most of the time outside of the first 2 minutes when it's all loading in.

Put it this way - did you play and enjoy games on the PS1/2/3 and XB/360 generations, or did you think that most games ran like trash? PUBG runs much the same as most games from previous generations. 30fps with some drops when it gets hectic.

People parroting this "the market had decided which is the better game" thing is hilarious, especially coming from this forum. PUBG on Xbox has outsold pretty much every PS4 exclusive bar 3 that were all bundled, so I guess the market had decided it's the better game? COD is the best game every year as well I suppose? The market has decided time and time again so I guess it's true.

Barely anyone in this supposed enthusiast forum even realise what the lawsuit is actually about, so can't really blame sites for putting it clickbait articles to cash in on the latest hate-boner that's getting games outraged.

I've played hundreds of hours on Xbox and the latest patches have been horrible since they added the second map, I just crashed while parachuting in and crash every second game.

cheesekao · Jun 3, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
No I mean that haven't played it in the last 6 months. The game performs much much much better than it did on release. Right now on the X it's basically stable 30fps 90% of the time, yet people call it trash and garbage and unplayable because they either haven't actually played it on an X recently, or because they just want to shit on it because it's PUBG. The DF video shows issues it does have, but people forget that DF are purposely trying to find issues to highlight. They don't show the 10 minutes straight of 30fps. They showed a lot of footage of the first few minutes of the games where the framerate and texture/geometry loading is bad. They try to point out the bad. That's not a knock on them, that's doing their job, letting people know the highs and lows.

You keep talking about performance on the X but how about on the OG console, which is the one the grand majority of people own? Putting that aside, PUBG running "just okay" on an X is not really a good thing considering the power of the hardware.

Mubrik_ · Jun 3, 2018

TehPotentialz said:
No I mean that haven't played it in the last 6 months. The game performs much much much better than it did on release. Right now on the X it's basically stable 30fps 90% of the time, yet people call it trash and garbage and unplayable because they either haven't actually played it on an X recently, or because they just want to shit on it because it's PUBG. The DF video shows issues it does have, but people forget that DF are purposely trying to find issues to highlight. They don't show the 10 minutes straight of 30fps. They showed a lot of footage of the first few minutes of the games where the framerate and texture/geometry loading is bad. They try to point out the bad. That's not a knock on them, that's doing their job, letting people know the highs and lows.

I didn't say PUBG has bigger marketshare. Saying "let the market decide" in regard to market share means nothing if you're not going to then use that to say which is a better game or something like that, which is what this article is doing.

Have you played it on the OG xbox?
Considering at least 80% will be the OG console and it runs poorer their, people will sure to tackle on performance especially this far out after release. People will always exaggerate, if PUBG Corp didn't give them the chance to question performance then you wouldn't ever be hearing it running like garbage. You don't hear that about fortnite do you?

You should read the article again.
It focuses mainly on the lawsuit and how it goes against gaming as a whole.
It never said which is the better game.
Let the "market decide which game they want" not suing epic for making a clone.

You're being a bit too defensive imo and missing the big picture, let the trash sayers say but dont let that divert you from the facts that the game has some performance issues, on less platforms and has an entry cost. It's done extremely well but fortnite doesn't have those problems and is just doing better. Simple.

Deleted member 26104 · Jun 3, 2018

SK4TE said:
I've played hundreds of hours on Xbox and the latest patches have been horrible since they added the second map, I just crashed while parachuting in and crash every second game.

I've had a couple of crashes since the latest patch, but I've put dozens of hours in and had multiple chicken dinners in the same play session a few times without any crashes. It can crash, absolutely, but it's still pretty rare.

cheesekao said:
You keep talking about performance on the X but how about on the OG console, which is the one the grand majority of people own? Putting that aside, PUBG running "just okay" on an X is not really a good thing considering the power of the hardware.

I keep talking about performance on the X because people keep saying that it's unplayable even on the X. Last time I played it on the OG was about 2 patches ago and while it took longer to load everything in initially, outside of that first 2 minutes it was fine and mostly 30fps too. It doesn't run "just okay" on the X, it runs fine.

Mubrik_ said:
You're being a bit too defensive imo and missing the big picture, let the trash sayers say but dont let that divert you from the facts that the game has some performance issues, on less platforms and has an entry cost. It's done extremely well but fortnite doesn't have those problems and is just doing better. Simple.

I'm not being defensive at all, I'm discussing the game. Arguing something that you don't agree with isn't "being defensive". I haven't once said it doesn't have performance problems, isn't on less platforms, or costs money, not sure how any of that is relevant.

The market has decided that a game that's on more platforms and free and that ripped off the popular game is popular, correct. If that's all this article is saying when they say "the market has decided" then it's even more of a pointless article than I thought.

Andrew Lucas · Jun 3, 2018

BillyMays said:
You're the most embarrassing Microsoft stan this site has other than Statham

You're obviously a stan for being that bothered by it. His point is clear as night and day.

Green Marine · Jun 3, 2018

The market decided months ago. I think the problem for PUBG is that Fortnite being free makes it a no brainier to try it out, and looking at Steam Charts, a lot of people have moved over in the past couple of months. I don't think there is much migration in the other direction, though. If you enjoy the pace of Fortnite, PUBG seems like a camping festival.

Gbiz: PUBG vs Fortnite: Let the market decide

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