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The Dark Knight in DV HDR looks so different from the blu-ray that it's like watching a different movie. Something seems off about the Contrast and color to me though. Blacks seem a little crushed in places and the flesh tones are off. My other DV movies don't have this issue. Anyone else feel the same way?
 

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The 30/60 sec is the internet connection plus, YouTube recommendations etc. Have it when I restart the TV manually. Otherwise with LAN it's good.

When you power off I think, maybe some oled user can help, it's a compensation circle ?

I bought the best batteries available and it's good for 8 months now.
I also thought it may have been the internet but even after switching off WLAN the problem persisted. I'm going to watch the whole thing for a few days now, maybe buy some new batteries and then see what happens. I'm really confused by all this.
 

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The Dark Knight in DV HDR looks so different from the blu-ray that it's like watching a different movie. Something seems off about the Contrast and color to me though. Blacks seem a little crushed in places and the flesh tones are off. My other DV movies don't have this issue. Anyone else feel the same way?

The Dark Knight Blu-Ray was contrast enhanced and over sharpened in the first place. It never replicated what the movie actually looked like in theaters.
 

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Just a PSA...For those with 2018 Samsung TV's that did not play nice with Denon receivers, Denon started to roll out the firmware that now fixes the issue. The issue resolved around EDID that the Samsung was sending. Since Samsung incorporated some features of HDMI 2.1, the EDID was longer that typical and due to this Denon receivers would have a handshake issue with 4k/HDR. This firmware fixes this issue.
 

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Sony are so bloody shit sometimes. I have an XD94 which was a good mid range set in 2016 when I bought it - pretty much the best until the ZD9 came out.

And yet it isn't getting Dolby Vision and doesn't appear to even be getting HLG support. Yet a bunch of lower end sets that came out that year are getting updated because they have a slightly later chipset.

In particular the BBC are doing trials of UHD content but they are pushing HLG and therefore my set isn't supported. They just announced they are showing all BBC world cup games in UHD but tough shit. I find it odd that they aren't offering a non-HLG option
 

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Sony are so bloody shit sometimes. I have an XD94 which was a good mid range set in 2016 when I bought it - pretty much the best until the ZD9 came out.

And yet it isn't getting Dolby Vision and doesn't appear to even be getting HLG support. Yet a bunch of lower end sets that came out that year are getting updated because they have a slightly later chipset.

In particular the BBC are doing trials of UHD content but they are pushing HLG and therefore my set isn't supported. They just announced they are showing all BBC world cup games in UHD but tough shit. I find it odd that they aren't offering a non-HLG option

Yeah LG get a bad rap, but their TV support is second to none. On the 6-range we had a Gaming HDR mode added, improvements in gaming response times as well as HLG support. I'm not sure if we will see any other updates now, but still.
 

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Yeah LG get a bad rap, but their TV support is second to none. On the 6-range we had a Gaming HDR mode added, improvements in gaming response times as well as HLG support. I'm not sure if we will see any other updates now, but still.

LG have said that further tone mapping improvements, and a Dolby Vision fix is coming to the 6 series, which is good.
 

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Anyone here have a Samsung 55MU7000? If you have how do you find it?

Love it, would buy it again (but not for more than the 640£ I paid), gave me 0 issues and it's been a game-breaker for me coming from a samsung 1080 from don't even know when.

Gotta say though that my ps4-pro was giving me some HDMI handshake issues until I got a better hdmi cable, aside from that all sunshine and rainbows.
 

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Love it, would buy it again (but not for more than the 640£ I paid), gave me 0 issues and it's been a game-breaker for me coming from a samsung 1080 from don't even know when.

Gotta say though that my ps4-pro was giving me some HDMI handshake issues until I got a better hdmi cable, aside from that all sunshine and rainbows.

Nice, it's available for £550 at the mo and was sorely tempted as an upgrade from my 2011 SAMSUNG 1080p TV

Would only be for the One X as I don't have a pro
 
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The B7 would by far be the best bang for the buck but I understand why you wouldn't want to go that way.
The XE9005 is very good, any lower than that (in EU at least...) and the HDR experience would be seriously compromised.
Keep in mind that next year may bring HDMI 2.1 which by itself might be a good reason to wait if you intend to keep your TV for at least 5-6 years (alternatively you coud snag a XF9005 on the cheap for example)
And considering that you wouldn't use 4k content for a while anyway I'd wait if I were you

I've checked what HDMI 2.1 will do and it has some decent benefits, although i wouldn't be using most of them. But damn, buying tech is such a pain, always the next hot thing around the corner. XD
I'm really itching to get the 55XE9005, but that lack of Dolby Vision support is getting to me a bit now. At first i thought that i don't really need DV, but having read about the different approach to HDR content via dynamic metadata compared to regular HDR made me waver again. That does sound much better, but the funny thing is, i don't even know if i'm going to have a device to play DV from, as i intend to use a PS5 for UHDs, whenever it comes out. Is it likely that PS5 would even support DV, or do you think Sony would rather skip the licensing fees and go for the opensource HDR10+?

XF9005 will get cheaper by next year, but i doubt the 55" model will go as extraordinarily low as this, even the 49XE9005 cost a bit more than that when they cleared out their stock this spring. If this one had gone out of stock during that time as well, there'd obviously not be this great sale on it now. Who knows if the 55XF900 stock will stick around long enough next year to get this cheap.

Another thing making my decision harder is that while the XF900 will be more future proof, it did slightly worse in some key categories for me (black levels without local dimming, input lag, black levels viewing angle) than the XE900, according to their respective Rtings reviews, so it's not even like it's a definite improvement over its predecessor. On the other hand, the XE900 seems to have some minor image retention issues. Man, why can't a TV set just be good, without any issues that you have to look past. :I


Go 55" if you can. The screen size jump to 55 is the single biggest improvement you will see since all content is not 4K.


It does sound like OLED solves all of your problems, so if you're okay with the panel lottery and some image retention now and then, it's not a bad idea. But if you want to go full trouble free, then LED is the only game in town. LG makes IPS displays where angle is not a problem, but I can see they're not your favorite company right now.


I don't think DV is a dealbreaker, but if you're big on UHD Blu Ray, maybe down the line? But I don't think of these sales as now or never. After World Cup will be Back to School, or Black Friday, or Pre Christmas, or Boxing Day - every country has a variety of them throughout the year.

I can't speak to the price because I can't really comprehend the currency. For example here in SG, TVs are just...arbitrarily a lot more expensive. The XF900 is $1000 cheaper in Canada and yet we have roughly equal currencies, which means there are retail controls that really change the market. Certainly something like the QF7 would be interesting, or the LG SK9000 in a big bright room, or the B7 if you are okay with trying OLED, but it REALLY depends on your particular market.


Price parity on the B7 to the XF is pretty impressive. I would have bought that on the spot here, but my family living room is far smaller than yours. Honestly speaking, if you're set on something now, the B7 is going to give you the best value by far. If you buy the XE90 and then go back to the store, the B7 is still going to seem like an improvement, and that's saying something. But I will say if you're not at 55" yet any set at that level will seem like an improvement.


The prices i listed are in Euros (1 EUR = 1,1667 USD), so the 55XE9005 would be 1365 USD, maybe even less, depending on how big of a coupon i would draw on checkout (between 10% - 50%).

Honestly, when i started looking at current TVs earlier this year i hadn't even considered anything above 49-50", because i thought i wouldn't be able to afford a decent set like Sony's 900 series at bigger sizes, so this price drop was quite the surprise. But now i think i do want a 55", so i'll either have to get this one, wait for them to possibly clear their XF stock in a similar sale this time next year, or save up more money and get the XF sooner. Speaking of which, they don't even have the 55XF900 in stock yet, but the 55XF800 set costs over 1500 EUR (1750 USD), so the 900 will probably be like 1800 EUR (2100 USD). :O

You are right of course that there will be more deals throughout the year, but they're not quite as numerous as in some places. For example, Back to School deals on TVs aren't really a thing here afaik, and Black Friday, while gaining popularity in recent years, doesn't comparable in terms of crazy prices either.

And yeah, i'd totally go for that OLED, if i wasn't so paranoid about possible burn in. I also don't trust my lack with panel lottery. The SK9000 wouldn't be up my alley, because i mostly watch during the evening/night,and the room isn't extremely bright even in daytime.


Anyway, thank you both for chiming in. As you can see from my ramblings, i'm still mulling it over, hoping that the stock will last long enough for me to make a decision. XD
 
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I'm aware of elevated dv fix coming and John archer on Forbes said they're looking into hdr game mode. But what's this about further tone mapping? Link to info?

LG's tone mapping algorithm tries to prevent any specular highlight loss, which means games that are mastered at 10000 nits result in a very dark image, hence the dim HDR mode everyone is talking about.
 

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I hooked up an out of the box 5.1 surround system with my brother's low end Philips 4K TV recently and in the TV's advanced audio settings there was an option to put out the sound via TV speakers and the surround system simultaneously. Try looking for that in your settings and turn it off if possible.
 
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Yeah I've just compared, albeit not directly side by side, HDR game mode on the C7 vs C8.

The C7 preserves as much highlight detail as possible, and in games that are mastered at high nits, can appear dim in some games when in-game brightness is left at default
The C8 will clip highlight detail it can't resolve faster than the C7, and so all HDR material, be it games or movies, never appears more dim than the source material

HZD is a great game to check how a display tone maps HDR, as it was supposedly mastered at 6000 nits, as Dark1x will attest to in one of the awesome videos they covered with GG.
The C7 yields a similar level of brightness to the C8 in HZD when the in-game brightness is at 65. Ie, 50 in-game brightness on the C8 roughly looks like 65 in-game rightness on the C7.

Its hard to describe, but easy to see. I prefer the way the C8 handles tone mapping in games by default.
 

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I've checked what HDMI 2.1 will do and it has some decent benefits, although i wouldn't be using most of them. But damn, buying tech is such a pain, always the next hot thing around the corner. XD

Agreed, but I would say that HDMI 2.1 is not going to arrive next year in perfect condition. Expect incomplete implementation (this feature works, but that feature has bugs, or the inevitable "Samsung changed something in the spec for reasons", only some ports on some TVs supporting it, and straight up "this would be great but the panel itself can't use it". And with the exception of eARC, you need new cables. Actually you need new cables for that too unless you have HDMI cables with an ethernet channel already.

Long story short, I think we have probably 3 product cycles before the problems sort themselves out. By then we should be talking about things like PlayStation 5.

I'm really itching to get the 55XE9005, but that lack of Dolby Vision support is getting to me a bit now. At first i thought that i don't really need DV, but having read about the different approach to HDR content via dynamic metadata compared to regular HDR made me waver again. That does sound much better, but the funny thing is, i don't even know if i'm going to have a device to play DV from, as i intend to use a PS5 for UHDs, whenever it comes out. Is it likely that PS5 would even support DV, or do you think Sony would rather skip the licensing fees and go for the opensource HDR10+?

RTINGS writes a pretty favorable comparison on DV that basically says it's useless right now, unless you have the best of sets, and HDR10 will support some of the same things later anyway. I think it's not a given that Sony will support DV, but also that I don't think UHD is a given either. We'll see, but generally speaking developers just don't have the gear to do DV work.

As I mentioned after replying to you, I just bought the XF900 (X9000F here) so I feel fairly comfortable upgrading now and letting the TV market sort itself out with new technology in the meantime. The viewing angle thing is not that big of a deal to me (sure, you lose brightness on an angle, but it's not like TN where the colors reverse) and it's a really great looking LED set.

I think if you need one right now the XE900 is probably a great deal too, in that it should seem like a big upgrade for you. I guess it just depends how badly you need one now versus next year.
 

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And yeah, i'd totally go for that OLED, if i wasn't so paranoid about possible burn in. I also don't trust my lack with panel lottery. The SK9000 wouldn't be up my alley, because i mostly watch during the evening/night,and the room isn't extremely bright even in daytime.
XD

Panel lottery is as much an issue, if not more so, with an LCD/LED.
 

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Ever since I heard about the update that messes up the black levels when it came to the series 6 models of LG OLED TVs, I stopped checking for updates. It's been more than a year now since I last updated my TV and I'm wondering if they fixed it or is it still the same? because if it's still fucked then I might as well stay like this. Mine is an E6(EU). 55".

I am also wondering this.

Is it safe to update B6 OLED firmwares now?
 

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I haven't been following this thread (or general TV news) for a while now, been more invested in speaker research for my media room. I'm just now reading about the 2018 Vizio P Quantum. Do we know if that will have any sort of VRR firmware update like the new Samsung QLED's?

I'm still trying to find the right gaming TV to replace my Panasonic plasma. The Samsung Q9FN seems pretty much perfect, but the $3800 price tag is a bit much. The logical part of my brain wants to wait for the 2019 sets to get something a bit more budget-friendly with VRR, but the other part of my brain wants to play Red Dead Redemption 2 in HDR. Halp.

You can always try it and then downgrade if there are issues. I'm not seeing raised blacks on my set though.

Not even with Dolby Vision content via HDMI? My G6 black levels still go berserk if I watch DV content through the Apple TV 4K. I have to go to settings and change to HDR10 before I watch DV content on Netflix. It's really getting old.
 
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Im watching Arrested Develoment season 5 in Dolby Vision and damn those white screen are killing my eyes(this series have a lot o them) :S

I'm watching it too on my new B7A (first OLED and HDR capable TV), and I find the skin colors to be kind of weird sometime. Like it isn't consistent. I'm guessing it's because it's supposed to change due to the lighting, but it feels exaggerated. Am I the only one?
 

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I haven't been following this thread (or general TV news) for a while now, been more invested in speaker research for my media room. I'm just now reading about the 2018 Vizio P Quantum. Do we know if that will have any sort of VRR firmware update like the new Samsung QLED's?

I'm still trying to find the right gaming TV to replace my Panasonic plasma. The Samsung Q9FN seems pretty much perfect, but the $3800 price tag is a bit much. The logical part of my brain wants to wait for the 2019 sets to get something a bit more budget-friendly with VRR, but the other part of my brain wants to play Red Dead Redemption 2 in HDR. Halp.



Not even with Dolby Vision content via HDMI? My G6 black levels still go berserk if I watch DV content through the Apple TV 4K. I have to go to settings and change to HDR10 before I watch DV content on Netflix. It's really getting old.

I watched 13 reasons why in DV and it looked fine. Will check Mindhunter later as I remember that having issues before.
 

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The Dark Knight in DV HDR looks so different from the blu-ray that it's like watching a different movie. Something seems off about the Contrast and color to me though. Blacks seem a little crushed in places and the flesh tones are off. My other DV movies don't have this issue. Anyone else feel the same way?

Is this the digital version only?
 

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Unusual question that I can't find an answer to on Google: can you activate game mode on single inputs on newer TVs? Specifically LG OLED''s?

I assume it must be but my (very old) tv doesn't support it.
 
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Frustrating that the B7 doesn't allow you to disable Real Cinema in HDR mode. It adds a slight "soap opera effect" that I really don't want with 24fps content. Anyone know if this is the case on the Sony sets?
 

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My combination of LG B7 and Yamaha RX-V383 receiver seems to "muffle" (not mute - unless the remaining sound is part of the other channels) the center speaker (that means the voice channel) after every single time I turn off the TV from 5.1 content.
I'm suspecting an issue with the HDMI ARC and ordered an optical cable for the audio, maybe this helps. Getting really annoying at this point, I'm not sure if I should blame the TV or the receiver.
 

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I watched 13 reasons why in DV and it looked fine. Will check Mindhunter later as I remember that having issues before.

Mindhunter has horrible black levels by default though, I remember one scene just looking like a streakfest, it was a perfect storm in showing grey banding.
 

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Frustrating that the B7 doesn't allow you to disable Real Cinema in HDR mode. It adds a slight "soap opera effect" that I really don't want with 24fps content. Anyone know if this is the case on the Sony sets?

That shouldn't be happening with Real Cinema. Are you sure you haven't got TruMotion enabled?

Mindhunter has horrible black levels by default though, I remember one scene just looking like a streakfest, it was a perfect storm in showing grey banding.

The black bars top and bottom turned grey though, which shouldn't be happening and was related to the DV bug.
 

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That shouldn't be happening with Real Cinema. Are you sure you haven't got TruMotion enabled?



The black bars top and bottom turned grey though, which shouldn't be happening and was related to the DV bug.

I watched it on Netflix through the app, it's bad enough, without all those DV shenanigans!
 

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Hey look --

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An OLED being used in the middle of the day, with the blinds open! I was told this is impossible with an OLED!







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The stutter on the OLED is kinda making me crazy. Doesn't look like swapping it for an LED will be that much better. Maybe a little bit?

I decided to put my plasma back on after having the OLED for a few days. Oof! Plasma ... you were good to me these 8 years but you have been surpassed.

Buut I get a headache every time I watch this tv. Have OLED light in the 30s at night and 50 in the day ... constant headaches. Maybe it's the stutter? Never had this issue with a tv before. Sorry for all the complaints lol

I'm completely floored by the picture quality otherwise
 
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Looks like Rtings bought the 2018 Vizio M and P series. Really curious to see how the input lag plays out this year, if they can get it near 30 ms that would be great.
 

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Best to use the internal app.
This DV HDMI issue is ridiculous though.
Then I lose my sound system. There's one 30' HDMI cable connected to my TV, run through the wall. so I can't use ARC.

It's baffling that this DV issue has taken this long to be fixed, with no release date in sight. Bullshit behavior my LG.
 

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Looks like Rtings bought the 2018 Vizio M and P series. Really curious to see how the input lag plays out this year, if they can get it near 30 ms that would be great.

Thank god finally! I've been planning on buying the Vizio P Series and its been a nightmare finding any info on it whatsoever
 

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Thank god finally! I've been planning on buying the Vizio P Series and its been a nightmare finding any info on it whatsoever
I live in Canada and I still have no idea how much the TVs will exactly cost here, I've kept a close eye on them because of their value and I've just been waiting to see how these new models stack up for gaming. The reviews should be in the coming weeks, they'll probably do the Samsung Q6fn review first but the Vizios should follow after.
 

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So, I work for a big retailer and get an accommodation on TV's from the manufacturer. Missed out on the OLED tv's but got a coupon for 50% off a Samsung QLED tv. I'm torn, I wanted an OLED badly but 50% off the QLED is tempting. Are they that bad? Been eyeing the Q8 and MSRP is $2200 so half of that. Should I just get a last year model LG/Sony OLED or go for the QLED? Very dark room, mostly used for gaming and occasional netflix.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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So, I work for a big retailer and get an accommodation on TV's from the manufacturer. Missed out on the OLED tv's but got a coupon for 50% off a Samsung QLED tv. I'm torn, I wanted an OLED badly but 50% off the QLED is tempting. Are they that bad? Been eyeing the Q8 and MSRP is $2200 so half of that. Should I just get a last year model LG/Sony OLED or go for the QLED? Very dark room, mostly used for gaming and occasional netflix.

Nah the Q8 is a very good TV and got high scores over at RTings
 

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So, I work for a big retailer and get an accommodation on TV's from the manufacturer. Missed out on the OLED tv's but got a coupon for 50% off a Samsung QLED tv. I'm torn, I wanted an OLED badly but 50% off the QLED is tempting. Are they that bad? Been eyeing the Q8 and MSRP is $2200 so half of that. Should I just get a last year model LG/Sony OLED or go for the QLED? Very dark room, mostly used for gaming and occasional netflix.
Mostly use for gaming?

Q8 2018. Industry leading input lag and VRR/FreeSync coming via firmware.

Better yet, drop the money on a Q9FN if you have that available as well. $1900 for that set would be amazing.
 

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So, I work for a big retailer and get an accommodation on TV's from the manufacturer. Missed out on the OLED tv's but got a coupon for 50% off a Samsung QLED tv. I'm torn, I wanted an OLED badly but 50% off the QLED is tempting. Are they that bad? Been eyeing the Q8 and MSRP is $2200 so half of that. Should I just get a last year model LG/Sony OLED or go for the QLED? Very dark room, mostly used for gaming and occasional netflix.
QLED is not as good as OLED. But at a good price it's worth it. Unless you don't mind spending more money.
 

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The stutter on the OLED is kinda making me crazy. Doesn't look like swapping it for an LED will be that much better. Maybe a little bit?

I decided to put my plasma back on after having the OLED for a few days. Oof! Plasma ... you were good to me these 8 years but you have been surpassed.

Buut I get a headache every time I watch this tv. Have OLED light in the 30s at night and 50 in the day ... constant headaches. Maybe it's the stutter? Never had this issue with a tv before. Sorry for all the complaints lol

I'm completely floored by the picture quality otherwise

Maybe you're sensitive to the motion processing? It could be worth taking a look at the Sony OLEDs as they have better motion processing than the LG sets
 
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Maybe you're sensitive to the motion processing? It could be worth taking a look at the Sony OLEDs as they have better motion processing than the LG sets

It could be the overall brightness of the tv that I'm not used to as I'm coming from a plasma. It could be that HDR is hurtful to my eyes even though I typically reduce OLED light level to 50 for daytime and 30s for nighttime. It could be the stutter that makes me feel like I'm constantly shifting my eyes

https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/stutter

Or I guess it could be a combination of all these things. I'm gonna lower contrast from 100 to something lower later today and see if that helps. If i can't figure it out I'm probably going to return the TV unfortunately.
 

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Quick question guys. HDR and Windows 10.

Say i want to watch one of Digital Foundrys videos on their patreon page in 4K HDR with VLC 3.0, do i need to actually tick the HDR button within display settinga first?

The reason i ask is that it makes everything very dark, even some of the HDR lighting is dark too, and its not maxing out the nits on my TV as when i press the menu button it goes bright as hell.
 
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