So for some positivity. I'm going to try and find something to scratch my Pokémon itch till Gen 8 arrives.
Thinking about Ultra Moon.
Thinking about Ultra Moon.
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Pokémon Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu (Switch) announced; coming Nov 16th 2018
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It kinda does in Pokemon, as shown with gen three being the only other generation to get a named, Hoenn Babies. There is a reason why the "Too much water" phrase exists along with the "overabudance of trumpets".
Because they probably don't play most Pokemon games? It has been 14 years since the first remake of R/B.
9 years since HG/SS thats enough time for old timers to crave another nostalgia trip. I know I had the craving with X/Y.
Also, I don't hear lots of Final Fantasy fans bitching about FFVII getting pandered to AGAIN. It's such a weird thing to complain about. I prefer FFVI but I totally get why FFVII has gotten all the spin-offs, films and now remakes.
Just go back and replay those games. HG/SS are literally still up to date with regards to mechanics and modernization.
Honestly, what I expect and would make me happy is keeping the new evolutions and pre-evolutions added after the fact. Onix evolves into Steelix, Golbat evolves into Crobat, etc. Is that really so much to ask for in 2018?
For some people it looks more like envy than frustration, many people did not bel I ever the gen 8 would come this year, they were right, however since this game, that more likely than not did not delayed the gen 8 game is not made to pander their specific tastes, they go on a tirade against a game that was not intended for them, and had the game excluded something they don't care about they would be as quiet or defensive as those genwunners they refer to.
I am getting flashbacks from the Labo reveal thread where hardcore gamers were passed for a product not intended for them.
Yeah I think it will once we get a look at the next game, just so we can get an idea of what's going on with the series. Pokemon is just kind of in a weird place right now and I think longtime fans are feeling a bit lost/antsy.
I could throw that back at you. Don't like the Gen 1 pandering in LGP/LGE? Go back and play the games you prefer.
Why should it be? I love Metroid Prime, but we got 3 games already - should I have protested when it was announced we were getting a fourth so that the 2D fans could get their turn? It just seems like a silly standard to me.
I understand the idea that there are limited resources and people clamoring for a repetitive setting might therefore annoy people who got tired of the repetitiveness. I get that.
But I think it's kind of silly to ask someone who's enjoying a type of game "Hey, why are you still enjoying it? Haven't you had enough? Stop it." It feels like the kind of thing that should be more directed at the company than at the fans, honestly.
Ah man, I love those fucking trumpets. This is super offtopic, but when the remakes came out a couple friends and I spent an unreasonable amount of time trying to make violin covers of the trumpet songs, with varying levels of success. I really should look and see if we still have the recordings, there was at least one good song and a bunch of musical atrocities.
Do what other remakes have done before an open up after the game is finished? It was very easy, as I said they just needed to add bank support, full-fledged online, a 2-slot daycare, the option to check IVs directly in the boxes and EVs in the stats page and done!
Lapsed players get the nostalgia fueled ride (and some introduction to stuff they didn't know and make them interested in keeping up with the series!)
Little kids get a cute game they can handle and play along with their parents or siblings and that can ease them into the more complicated mechanics when Generation 8 arrives, if they ever desire to explore further
Long time fans get a fun diversion until proper Gen.8 arrives and an updated platform for competitive battling so they're not stuck with ancient hardware that struggles to maintain framerate above 20 fps and that has pixels the size of fists when upscaled on a TV for broadcast.
LITERALLY EVERYBODY could have won. Yet it seems some people wouldn't be happy if some of us didn't.
So your just actively trolling people at this point?
I've explained multiple times to you my frustration yet you seem to just ignore it so you can go "lol fanboys mad" without listening to any of the actual complaints people have.
Yes some people are being ridiculous but don't throw everyone who's upset by certain decisions in there with them.
Gen two will always get some love, more than any gen after it. Looked at the Mega Evolution breakdown, where one third of it is gen three and another gen one. The gen three love is understandable as they were getting remakes, not so much for gen one.
Gen I: 15
Gen II: 5
Gen III: 19
Gen IV: 5
Gen V: 1
Gen VI: 1
Back in 2002, original pokemon fans complained this pokemon looks like a Digimon:
That was basically when the whole "genwunner" thing started, way back 16+ years ago in the ancient year of 2002. I think a lot of you have forgotten the negative reaction a lot of Hoenn pokemon got when they were first revealed. Probably because then this continued every gen after,
That was basically when the whole "genwunner" thing started, way back 16+ years ago in the ancient year of 2002. I think a lot of you have forgotten the negative reaction a lot of Hoenn pokemon got when they were first revealed. Probably because then this continued every gen after,
I disagree. Labo was an entirely new product, so it's fine that it was primarily targeted towards younger audiences.
Pokemon however has ALWAYS catered to all ages and audiences, so to have Let's Go openly reject hardcore fans feels like a slap in the face.
A better comparison would be in the alternate timeline where we never got the Metroid Prime Trilogy, and instead got MP1 with motion controls, and then instead of MP4 getting announced, we got a MP1 reimagining announced.
You really need a break if you're getting all pent up from this. You got Gen 8 ahead of you. This game is clearly not for you. It's not pandering. Thank you.
That's Color Splash.
The next Paper Mario game would be the 6th entry.
You have a fair point that I should relax but the bolded is just straight up false.
What other reason is there to exclude 6 Gens of Pokémon other then to pander to lapsed Gen 1 fans?
Anyway my main issue was the needles "red and blue 2" comment. Just feels like needles snark at those who are frustrated.
At this point I'm just happy I have 64 and TTYD to play for all eternity.
I mean I get what you're going for, but it's not like the new game was canceled, it's still coming out next year. Which I personally actually prefer because I don't think they could make a legit jump from Sun/Moon to something else in the dev time they had, so now I'm more excited about Gen 8 than I'd otherwise be.
If only a hardcore Pokemon was in development and to be released next year...
See this is what's most disappointing about Let's Go to me
I actually did want Red & Blue 2 where it was set well into the future and you were playing as Blue's kid and Red's kid was your rival.
There's basically zero chance for that game now
I need to get my head around this not being the game I expected, and waiting for the 2019 version.
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Whether it's pandering or not is in the eyes of the beholder....since you know it's just a word with a negative connotation.
Did you ever think of the people frustrated at you for guys crapping up this thread with the "le genwunner" stuff? I love all gens but I'm still excited for this game. I come here to discuss said game but now I gotta deal with gen warring crap. Your frustration is frustrating to me and a lot of people.
This isn't just pandering anymore. It's the second remake of the damn games. It's Gen 4's turn for the remake. This isn't fair to the vast majority of the fan base who buys these games.
That's a disingenuous comparison and you know it. A more apt comparison would be if Retro did a full-on remake of Metroid Prime 1, then followed it with Metroid Prime 4 and 5 suddenly revisiting a lot of locations, bosses, and enemies from Metroid Prime 1, and then announcing another remake of Metroid Prime 1.
See my post -> https://www.resetera.com/posts/8579715/
That excuse is reaching the levels of bullshit that Microsoft reached when they told people there was a console for them, the Xbox 360, if they didn't have reliable internet access or didn't live in a "Tier 1" country for a One. Obviously it didn't fly. I don't see why would it now.
People are way too quick to assume that the Let's Go are going to become a sub/series. It really opens up how flawed the potential design elements for this game is if you think about it: why do we have a game that specifically lists that only Kanto Pokemon from Go can be transferred to it? Especially when Pokemon Go is already 3 generations in. So you mean to tell me you're going to create at least 2+ generations of Let's Go Games to account for newer generations of Pokemon annually? That is such an inefficient idea and you risk burning out people especially with "traditional" mainline games being developed side-by-side.
Re: Eevee marketing. A lot of people have also used the Eevee marketing argument, but the thing is Eevee wasn't just marketed exclusively. Eevee and its evolutions were usually marketed together, which again, makes sense given that's Eevee's niche. This is also why IMO LGE/P doesn't make a lot sense with its restrictions, but that's another argument.
Re: Eevee marketing. A lot of people have also used the Eevee marketing argument, but the thing is Eevee wasn't just marketed exclusively. Eevee and its evolutions were usually marketed together, which again, makes sense given that's Eevee's niche. This is also why IMO LGE/P doesn't make a lot sense with its restrictions, but that's another argument.
People would actually be mad at this?
Give me the Switch version damnnit.
I like how presumably grown people are unironically bitching about a subset of a fanbase getting a game that demographic prefers and not the way they would prefer and yet accuse that part of the fanbase of bitching ... people, get a grip, it is a fucking videogame. If you're not interested, just move on. At this point you guys aren't even discussing this game anymore but complaining about all those "genwunners" ...
Back then some people felt that Nintendo games always catered to all ages and audiences and suddenly Labo was a game openly rejecting them.
I fail to see how is this game that different from the other spinoffs, but I guess we have the same outcry as here every time a pokemon puzzle, picos or other game is launched, I just don't visit those threads, this I do because I am open to the proposal of the game.
That doesn't justify Let's Go being gutted of features that are significant to the franchise.
There's no reason why Let's Go AND 2019 couldn't have been targeted to all audiences. They just decided to ruin Let's Go for the hardcore fans for no good reason.
It's easier to develop these two games to cater to everyone (the 3DS games did not cater to everyone) and we get one earlier than the other. It's win win for all.
As I said earlier this game is actively encouraging Gen wars by completely excluding 6 entire generations.
I understand your frustration at trying to discuss the game but frankly GF brought this upon themselves by excluding so much that people loved. Of course there going to be backlash from those who were left out.
Not only that, but Ruby/Sapphire was incompatible with the previous games forcing the players at the time to basically get used to the new Pokemon or fuck off as there was no information on when/how earlier Pokemon would be available. (of course FR/LG would be announced not too much long later but yeah) It was pretty much the first dividing point in the fanbase I remember. No Eevee? No Charizard?? No Mewtwo???Back in 2002, original pokemon fans complained this pokemon looks like a Digimon:
That was basically when the whole "genwunner" thing started, way back 16+ years ago in the ancient year of 2002. I think a lot of you have forgotten the negative reaction a lot of Hoenn pokemon got when they were first revealed. Probably because then this continued every gen after,
And thus, the genwars began....
One remake is typically enough for most fan bases.
Exactly. Gen 1 has never been excluded from the games. Even Gen 5 opened up in the post-game and allowed all the classic Pokemon to appear.
This is the first time that we have everyone else being excluded for the Genwunners. Even the fucking new evolutions of Gen 1 Pokemon are being left out for absolutely no reason.
Seriously, if one person can give me a good reason for excluding Steelix, Crobat, Tangrowth, etc., I'd be shocked and happy to discuss it.
If you add on "while releasing a sequel literally the following year," sure? Like I'd understand all the frustration a lot more if the 2019 game hadn't been announced yet. But given that it has, it seems like an overreaction to me.
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Also, legit, if I heard that we were getting a Prime 1 remake and Prime 4 the year after I'd be like "Holy shit, give it to me, that's fucking awesome."
A remake like this should incorporate more modern mechanics to bring the old region and gameplay up to speed. Improves the experience and makes for a more cohesive franchise. Getting rid of HMs like Sun/Moon did is one such example, and I don't think anyone will complain about that getting changed. The physical/special split, reusable TMs, and new types haven't been explicitly confirmed, but I think it's safe to assume those will be in. Bringing the old games up to modern standards is the point of remakes after all.
Cross-gen Pokemon are in the same boat. Pichu, Crobat, Espeon, Electivire, and all the others are part of the improved experience that should come with the territory of a remake. They add new options and diversity to the old games in a natural manner and help them fit in with what Pokemon has become. As such, I feel it's entirely fair to criticize them messing up this part of the modernization process, especially when previous remakes were generally pretty good about making them as enjoyable as the newer games.
Cross-gen Pokemon are in the same boat. Pichu, Crobat, Espeon, Electivire, and all the others are part of the improved experience that should come with the territory of a remake. They add new options and diversity to the old games in a natural manner and help them fit in with what Pokemon has become. As such, I feel it's entirely fair to criticize them messing up this part of the modernization process, especially when previous remakes were generally pretty good about making them as enjoyable as the newer games.
That is not a same thing at all. Labo always had a specific market in mind when we first heard about the product, whereas Pokemon was deliberately made to appeal to people of all ages (look at the marketing material, it includes children all the way to teens and young adults).
The fact that people are using "hardcore" to describe Pokemon fans is bewildering considering that Pokemon has never been "hardcore." It always was an easy pick-up-and-play RPG.
Again, the last two gens were filled to the brim with Gen 1 pandering, so there is literally zero reason for anyone to assume Gen 8 will be any different.