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Which will you throw in the PC Storage first?

  • Pikachu

    Votes: 590 16.2%
  • Eevee

    Votes: 571 15.7%
  • Your hopes and dreams

    Votes: 2,083 57.4%
  • Jmon

    Votes: 387 10.7%

  • Total voters
    3,631

ClickyCal'

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"Toxicity" can't be used to deny people's criticism. Should I stay quiet when I feel underwhelmed by something I care?


Nah, but you see, this isn't more mature because it isn't "realistic". Even though this is a series about catching elemental monsters and realism shouldn't matter.

SM has an actual story, RBGY can't be more serious than it when it never even tried to have an actual story arc. And this isn't criticism, both games are kid-friendly, but this doesn't mean they're bad. The tone fits the world pretty well.
What even is the goal of giovanni? Like, he wants to sit in a chair at the top of a building and be mean...?
 

Arkanim94

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well, maybe team skull is the most ground in reality...
 

byDoS

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't really think the game being for a broad audience absolves the game of any criticism either

I think its pretty funny that an RPG series already made for casuals needed an even more casual version. But whatever this will sell millions upon millions anyway

Pokemon is made for casuals?

WUT/
 

Gold Arsene

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nah, but you see, this isn't more mature because it isn't "realistic". Even though this is a series about catching elemental monsters and realism shouldn't matter.

Don't forget that this dark and serious criminal orginization was stopped, not by the police that have been hunting them, but because a ten year old beat their leader at a children's card game Pokémon battle.
 

Darkpyro2

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Oct 27, 2017
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Oh no
I've been told for weeks and weeks by die-hard fans of the series that these games are primarily made for kids. Just because there's depth if you look for it doesn't mean they're at all hardcore RPG's cause they're not
What even IS a hardcore RPG? Darksouls aside, a tiny bit of grinding conquers all. It was virtually the only genre I played as a kid.
 

Clix

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And I explained why I think it doesnt. This isn't a matter of opinions but technical facts. What non-sense ? Saying it's visually not up to par with some PS2 titles ?
You know, there are people who are fans since the first title and now feel tired of the lack of evolution of the serie. In that case, we're talking about regressions. When I played the game on my gameboy when I was 6, it was fine when cities were about 3 houses and a Pokémon center. In 2018, it's more difficult to justify towns made of 3 to 5 houses shaped like a cube. It's not okay for road 3 to look like a line with a small Pokémon center next to a cavern entry. It's not okay for Mt. Moon to look like a tiny cavern.

Actually, it is okay. To you, maybe not. Fine. Pretty much everything you said is subjective regarding the style they go with the games. Whether you think something looks great or not is a matter of opinion. Now anything technical underneath regarding the engine, yes, those are facts. However, how it looks on screen, is a matter of opinions.

Again. You saying it's not okay with the tired "It's current year" argument does not make it so.
 

H-I-M

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And I explained why I think it doesnt. This isn't a matter of opinions but technical facts. What non-sense ? Saying it's visually not up to par with some PS2 titles ?
You know, there are people who are fans since the first title and now feel tired of the lack of evolution of the serie. In that case, we're talking about regressions. When I played the game on my gameboy when I was 6, it was fine when cities were about 3 houses and a Pokémon center. In 2018, it's more difficult to justify towns made of 3 to 5 houses shaped like a cube. It's not okay for road 3 to look like a line with a small Pokémon center next to a cavern entry. It's not okay for Mt. Moon to look like a tiny cavern.


Not only does it look dated AF, but gamefreak even had the nerve to reuse animations from the 3DS games.

How shouldn't that be criticized?
 

ILikeFeet

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Oct 25, 2017
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GameFreak is holding back this franchise time and time again. I wish Nintendo pushed through early on and gained a larger share in TPCi, perhaps then can we see some change. I think it's too late now.
having a larger share in TPC probably wouldn't do much as GF's responsibility is still the mainline games. though I guess TPC could commission a new RPG line from another developer. but with GF having a large stake, that might come to blows
 

Omegamon

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I don't understand why people say Let's Go are for newcomer kids, every new generation has brought new fans, usually little kids because the games are simple and appealing, this is why Pokémon has been popular for so long. Stuff like wild battles never stopped kids who started with gen 3,4 or 5.
 

GhostTrick

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Actually, it is okay. To you, maybe not. Fine. Pretty much everything you said is subjective regarding the style they go with the games. Whether you think something looks great or not is a matter of opinion. Now anything technical underneath regarding the engine, yes, those are facts. However, how it looks on screen, is a matter of opinions.

Again. You saying it's not okay with the tired "It's current year" argument does not make it so.


Oh, don't misunderstand me. It's not even about current year but about current decade. The Last Remnant released on November 2008 on Xbox 360. 10 years later, this is what Game Freak is going to deliver for an RPG.


Not only does it look dated AF, but gamefreak even had the nerve to reuse animations from the 3DS games.

How shouldn't that be criticized?


On top of that, it's a game which also recycles the level design and models of Pokémon Go... to features only gen 1 + alolans forms... and well, ONE new Pokémon.
 

ClickyCal'

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't understand why people say Let's Go are for newcomer kids, every new generation has brought new fans, usually little kids because the games are simple and appealing, this is why Pokémon has been popular for so long. Stuff like wild battles never stopped kids who started with gen 3,4 or 5.
It's more for people in general that played go as their first pokemon game, or first since gen 1.
 

PancakeFlip

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Oct 26, 2017
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Hmm, no breeding? Well there go some good moves...

So will fishing be taken out of the game?

I'm okay with this game. Not sure how the teleport and spin panels would work in multiplayer....
 

Beje

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Oct 27, 2017
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Isn't it going to be a hard jump going from 151 to almost 1000 though?

For the nth time in this thread, not only "gotta catch'em all" stopped being the motto of the series after Gold/Silver, all new entries in the franchise have a curated ecosystem of all the new Pokémon (~100, sometimes more, sometimes less) + other Pokémon from other regions that fit in to make a regional dex of ~150-200 more or less, with "third versions" and remakes sometimes being an exception and being a little more expansive. Knowing all 800+ has never been the focus of any of the titles so it's got me like... people don't even play the games?

The "there are too many pokémon" criticism, or excuse to force reverting to the fabled "original 151" (which makes no sense since babies and more evos are a thing), keeps on coming back time and time and time and time again almost every single page and all it tells me is that we're literally discussing our concerns about this title with people that don't even have the slightest clue of how has the franchise worked since 15 years ago and are literally just waiting for their nostalgia to be catered before jumping back instead of getting a secondhand copy of one of the older titles and see for themselves what's it like nowadays and have an informed opinion.
 
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THube

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not only does it look dated AF, but gamefreak even had the nerve to reuse animations from the 3DS games.

How shouldn't that be criticized?

On top of that, it's a game which also recycles the level design and models of Pokémon Go... to features only gen 1 + alolans forms... and well, ONE new Pokémon.

IDK what you mean by recycling level design from PokeGo, but uh... By models and animations, are you referring to the Pokemon themselves?! It'd be straight up bonkers if Game Freak and Creatures had to redo the models and animations for those from scratch every game.
 

Instro

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't understand why people say Let's Go are for newcomer kids, every new generation has brought new fans, usually little kids because the games are simple and appealing, this is why Pokémon has been popular for so long. Stuff like wild battles never stopped kids who started with gen 3,4 or 5.

Honestly the whole idea of this bridging in new or lapsed fans seems like a bit of headscratcher. To the outside looking in, this game looks near identical to previous entries, and takes several explanations to tell what is different. If the intent was to gather new people to the franchise, they seem to be missing the mark as to what is popular with kids and adults right now.
 
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I don't understand why people say Let's Go are for newcomer kids, every new generation has brought new fans, usually little kids because the games are simple and appealing, this is why Pokémon has been popular for so long. Stuff like wild battles never stopped kids who started with gen 3,4 or 5.

Because they literally said it's meant to be more accessible, the simplification of some mechanics, as well as allowing jump in co-op seemingly at any time (including during wild pokemon battles and trainer battles, which is crazy). And the art style also just looks like it's targeting a younger audience. They made the main characters even younger than usual
 

ClickyCal'

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly the whole idea of this bridging in new or lapsed fans seems like a bit of headscratcher. To the outside looking in, this game looks near identical to previous entries, and takes several explanations to tell what is different. If the intent was to gather new people to the franchise, they seem to be missing the mark as to what is popular with kids and adults right now.
They saw that pokemon go was really popular with kids and adults. So they made a game mostly based on that.
 

Cronogear

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Changing up Pokemon reach a younger audience is like changing up Fox News to reach a more Republican audience.
 

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I don't understand why people say Let's Go are for newcomer kids, every new generation has brought new fans, usually little kids because the games are simple and appealing, this is why Pokémon has been popular for so long. Stuff like wild battles never stopped kids who started with gen 3,4 or 5.
It's not. It's for old lapsed fans (a big part of the Go people), not kids. I don't even know why people push this kid thing.

Kids don't care about 1:1 representations of old Gameboy games and if we asked them "Do you want a game with only 151 Pokémon or do you want a game with 1000 Pokémon, including the ones you see in the cartoon today" they would pick the later option.
 

GulAtiCa

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They saw that pokemon go was really popular with kids and adults. So they made a game mostly based on that.
This. lol. Do some people still no get how massibly popular Pokemon Go was, is and still is? They should see the hundreds that come out each month for Community day.
 

PancakeFlip

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Because they literally said it's meant to be more accessible, the simplification of some mechanics, as well as allowing jump in co-op seemingly at any time (including during wild pokemon battles and trainer battles, which is crazy). And the art style also just looks like it's targeting a younger audience. They made the main characters even younger than usual

Though the designs are okay, I don't get this. Aren't the majority of players older? Its getting to a point where they just need to make the player just 100% fully customizable. I see they've finally figured out facial expressions for cut scenes, so at least they are making progress.
 

ClickyCal'

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's not. It's for old lapsed fans (a big part of the Go people), not kids. I don't even know why people push this kid thing.

Kids don't care about 1:1 representations of old Gameboy games and if we asked them "Do you want a game with only 151 Pokémon or do you want a game with 1000 Pokémon, including the ones you see in the cartoon today" they would pick the later option.
Yea, there's going to be sad kids that can't their favorite pokemon, like manetric.
 

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This. lol. Do some people still no get how massibly popular Pokemon Go was, is and still is? They should see the hundreds that come out each month for Community day.
Pokémon Go is still massive. This doesn't mean every PoGo player will buy a 300$ system to play a 60$ game because they play a F2P app.

Mobile games going console and becoming huge hits there too isn't even a thing.
 

Papaya

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Oct 25, 2017
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This game is perfect for what it is: A 3DS remaster, built with little recourse, aimed squarely at Go fans. It's clear, now, GF has all hands on deck for Gen 8, and has since at least Sun and Moon released. I'm more than fine with what's going on now. If it means I get an ambitious Pokemon game, like what GF has been hinting at, bring me these games! It will be a fun diversion until I get the real meat in 2019.

Hasn't GF been hiring Unreal 4 developers, btw? I doubted they would use Unreal for Gen 8, but now I'm not so sure...
 

GulAtiCa

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Pokémon Go is still massive. This doesn't mean every PoGo player will buy a 300$ system to play a 60$ game because they play a F2P app.

Mobile games going console and becoming huge hits there too isn't even a thing.
Some might. A lot of my community are avig gamers, some who already have Switches.

I mean, I'm not expecting 500 million sales or anything. But I do expect this game to be huge.
 

Vidiot

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So I don't really mind not battling random common Pokemon to catch them but I really hope legendaries are captured by having to weaken them first. That confrontation finale with Mewtwo would be dreadfully anticlimactic otherwise.
 

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Though the designs are okay, I don't get this. Aren't the majority of players older? Its getting to a point where they just need to make the player just 100% fully customizable. I see they've finally figured out facial expressions for cut scenes, so at least they are making progress.

This is the weirdest franchise, they keep giving us customisation and then take it away the next game. There isn't even any excuse for it this time because this isn't a remake with Red and Blue.
 

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So I don't really mind not battling random common Pokemon to catch them but I really hope legendaries are captured by having to weaken them first. That confrontation finale with Mewtwo would be dreadfully anticlimactic otherwise.
This what I was saying. That battle is usually anticlimatic for me because I used a masterball but what about the legendary birds and possibly mew?
 

Deleted member 32018

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Pokémon Go is still massive. This doesn't mean every PoGo player will buy a 300$ system to play a 60$ game because they play a F2P app.

Mobile games going console and becoming huge hits there too isn't even a thing.

Whether you think it's a successful strategy or not, it is still the strategy Nintendo themselves have talked about and laid out so we will see if it's the correct strategy or not when we get Let's Go, Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing.
 

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I personally think the art style is great. Looked better than I expected. Will be fun to see how gen 8 chooses to go.
 

Livia

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Damn, I dont get why you Pokeyman fans are so angry about this? We are getting 3 completely new games, its awesome!
 

Gradon

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This is the weirdest franchise, they keep giving us customisation and then take it away the next game. There isn't even any excuse for it this time because this isn't a remake with Red and Blue.

They consistently add new features and take them away the next game. This isn't really new but its annoying af. Though, we don't know if Customization is in or not yet. I hope it is.
 

GhostTrick

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IDK what you mean by recycling level design from PokeGo, but uh... By models and animations, are you referring to the Pokemon themselves?! It'd be straight up bonkers if Game Freak and Creatures had to redo the models and animations for those from scratch every game.


I meant the models from PokéGo. For the level design, it's basically Pokémon Yellow. 1:1. My point basically is that a lot of the work was already done.
 

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Cronogear

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Some might. A lot of my community are avig gamers, some who already have Switches.

I mean, I'm not expecting 500 million sales or anything. But I do expect this game to be huge.

If they play Pokemon Go and already own a Switch, it's incredibly likely they would have bought a Pokemon RPG regardless.
 

Psychonaut

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So... I'm guessing Go Park will be locked off until pretty late-game, right? Otherwise I can just transfer in my Dragonite from Go and wreck house from the jump. With how easy the games seem to be though, it doesn't seem like that would even be necessary anyway.
 

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Lol, they showed a Moltres being transferred from Pokemon Go to the game in the trailer. I think there's a chance you'll be disappointed

How is that any different to either wondertrade or someone just trading you it from another game?

So... I'm guessing Go Park will be locked off until pretty late-game, right? Otherwise I can just transfer in my Dragonite from Go and wreck house from the jump. With how easy the games seem to be though, it doesn't seem like that would even be necessary anyway.

Unless the Dragonite starts from level 1 when you trade it, it most likely won't listen to you. Just like with trades from other games. And that also depends if you can use Pokemon from Go in the main game and not just Pokepark.
 
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So... I'm guessing Go Park will be locked off until pretty late-game, right? Otherwise I can just transfer in my Dragonite from Go and wreck house from the jump. With how easy the games seem to be though, it doesn't seem like that would even be necessary anyway.

They said half-way in the game, and judging by "Go Park." I think it'll replace Pal Park in Fuschia City from HGSS and by extension, the Kanto Safari Zone.