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Which will you throw in the PC Storage first?

  • Pikachu

    Votes: 590 16.2%
  • Eevee

    Votes: 571 15.7%
  • Your hopes and dreams

    Votes: 2,083 57.4%
  • Jmon

    Votes: 387 10.7%

  • Total voters
    3,631

Shingi_70

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,782
yea its a waste to me....ill eat crow if the majority of people in here are not going to be posting on the OT of release countdowning to midnight to download excitedly. lol

I'm excited to play this game, but the fact that a game that's supposed to be a bridge and energy to new players is changing so much in regards to catching Pokemon is worrying and seems short sighted. If a player gets into this game wouldn't seeing Gen 8 coming next year alienate them with how traditional it is compared to this.

Just having wild Pokemon battles plus the Pokemon Go catching would appease both crowds. Even sticking with the Orginal 151 seems weird, as any players who are still playing go would surely be at least somewhat family with Pokemon from Gen 2 and 3.
 

Deleted member 2793

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
15,368
I, too, forgive murder for unrelated clumsiness.
Yeah, Disney movies are pretty damn serious because the villain imply they will murder characters.

Pretty much every Pokémon game has implications like this and feels immature to pretend they're serious because of it. "Cyrus wanted to kill eveyone in the Universe", "Lysandre wanted to commit mass murder", etc. You can have all that and I doubt people would deny these games are kid friendly and goofy - and that's not a bad thing!

yea its a waste to me....ill eat crow if the majority of people in here are not going to be posting on the OT of release countdowning to midnight to download excitedly. lol
I played every mainline Pokémon game and never even touched Go. Seems easy to me to ignore a game I don't see the appeal and that has limited content in comparison to other entries.
 

Aleh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,300
Sure.
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You're right, it sure as hell doesn't. We had on PS2 J-RPG with a bigger scale.
Sun and Moon are more comparable in that sense as they're fully 3D.
I don't see how it matter though, because Let's Go is obviously not positioned as the next big Pokémon game. It feels kinda pointless to criticize it for this reason.
 

GhostTrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,316
Sun and Moon are more comparable in that sense as they're fully 3D.
I don't see how it matter though, because Let's Go is obviously not positioned as the next big Pokémon game. It feels kinda pointless to criticize it for this reason.

The criticism remains valid though.


"Save for all the enhancements it's the same thing" yeah


Yeah, too bad the improvements aren't about the bigger part: The geometry and the world design.
"All the enhancements" as you want to call them is basically slightly better textures (even then, the 3DS Pokémon problem is that the textures aren't filtered) and despite that, the textures are fairly simple... if not blurry. As for the lighting and shadows, this is the only decent work done here. Who knew decent lighting could make wonders ?
 

Lady Bow

Member
Nov 30, 2017
11,305
Then why not just say Giovanni and not the grunts? The grunts can't be taken seriously at all. One ghost in the poke tower doesn't all of the sudden make them like john wick style villains.
Who is calling them John Wick villains? Gen 1 was the most grounded/dark game of them all. That's it. Some cherry picked goofy antics that should be in a Pokemon game don't change that.
 

ShinobiBk

One Winged Slayer
Member
Dec 28, 2017
10,121
Naw I'm good with criticism its just annoying when people are complaining for the sake of complaining.

Let's Go is for a broad audience and there's nothing wrong with that.

I don't really think the game being for a broad audience absolves the game of any criticism either

I think its pretty funny that an RPG series already made for casuals needed an even more casual version. But whatever this will sell millions upon millions anyway
 

ClickyCal'

Member
Oct 25, 2017
59,687
Yeah, Disney movies are pretty damn serious because the villain imply they will murder characters.

Pretty much every Pokémon game has implications like this and feels immature to pretend they're serious because of it. "Cyrus wanted to kill eveyone in the Universe", "Lysandre wanted to commit mass murder", etc. You can have all that and I doubt people would deny these games are kid friendly and goofy - and that's not a bad thing!


I played every mainline Pokémon game and never even touched Go. Seems easy to me to ignore a game I don't see the appeal and that has limited content in comparison to other entries.
Yea, I would say Lusamine in SM overall had the most mature villain story. Gets corrupted and loses the plot of just being a good mom to her kids. And that doesn't have to do with wanting to detroy everything or be a "badass" mafia.
 

1000% H

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,639
Then why not just say Giovanni and not the grunts? The grunts can't be taken seriously at all. One ghost in the poke tower doesn't all of the sudden make them like john wick style villains.

Yeah, Disney movies are pretty damn serious because the villain imply they will murder characters.

Pretty much every Pokémon game has implications like this and feels immature to pretend they're serious because of it. "Cyrus wanted to kill eveyone in the Universe", "Lysandre wanted to commit mass murder", etc. You can have all that and I doubt people would deny these games are kid friendly and goofy - and that's not a bad thing!
"Ghosts appeared in Pokemon Tower. I think they're the spirits of Pokemon that the Rockets killed."

"I saw Cubone's mother die trying to escape from Team Rocket!"

Yeah, ok. But it was just Giovanni or just implied, empty threats or whatever. Boot up a game and check for yourselves. lol, that dude dropped a lift key, tho!
 

H-I-M

Banned
Apr 26, 2018
1,330
Sun and Moon are more comparable in that sense as they're fully 3D.
I don't see how it matter though, because Let's Go is obviously not positioned as the next big Pokémon game. It feels kinda pointless to criticize it for this reason.

So it should get a pass for being rushed just because it isn't a main game?
I surely hope it doesn't cost the price of 'a main game' then...
 

Clix

Banned
This entire thread makes me feel embarrassed to be part of the gaming community. When people speak of toxic attitudes, this thread is a prime example. Over a Pokemon game. Over a a game being made to complement the upcoming Gen 8 core game next year. To bridge a gap for newer players and kids. Sometimes I wonder if some people here actually enjoy playing video games, because it just seems to be nothing but misery. Not just this thread, but I think this is the one that finally broke the camel's back for me.
 

GhostTrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,316
This entire thread makes me feel embarrassed to be part of the gaming community. When people speak of toxic attitudes, this thread is a prime example. Over a Pokemon game. Over a a game being made to complement the upcoming Gen 8 core game next year. To bridge a gap for newer players and kids. Sometimes I wonder if some people here actually enjoy playing video games, because it just seems to be nothing but misery. Not just this thread, but I think this is the one that finally broke the camel's back for me.


Not sharing your enthusiasm isn't "toxicity". It's called criticism. Yes, it's fair to criticize Gamefreak for delivering a Kanto remake/reboot which looks visually bad and retains the level design of a 1997 Gameboy RPG.
 

zoukka

Game Developer
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
2,361
So people who like the familiar pokemon will buy this game, then they will drop the series once more for another 20 years till they can get their next remake of Kanto?

Chasing fair-weather fans isn't really fair to the dedicated fans.

Some will churn of course just like they did decades ago but a portion will stay and some of them will convert to the core series.

And what's not fair? The core RPG is in development as we speak.
 

Blunoise

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,885
Atlanta, GA
I'm excited to play this game, but the fact that a game that's supposed to be a bridge and energy to new players is changing so much in regards to catching Pokemon is worrying and seems short sighted. If a player gets into this game wouldn't seeing Gen 8 coming next year alienate them with how traditional it is compared to this.

Just having wild Pokemon battles plus the Pokemon Go catching would appease both crowds. Even sticking with the Orginal 151 seems weird, as any players who are still playing go would surely be at least somewhat family with Pokemon from Gen 2 and 3.
true. i see where the battling wild pokemon comes from, but later during the games i avoided grass and use super repel. i only did wild battles when its a pokemon i wanted. i think once the game is out ppl might be ok with it later. i mean thats one thing they are changing, the biggest and only concern for me would be how online plays out.
 

FiXalaS

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,569
Kuwait.
The criticism remains valid though.





Yeah, too bad the improvements aren't about the bigger part: The geometry and the world design.
"All the enhancements" as you want to call them is basically slightly better textures (even then, the 3DS Pokémon problem is that the textures aren't filtered) and despite that, the textures are fairly simple... if not blurry. As for the lighting and shadows, this is the only decent work done here. Who knew decent lighting could make wonders ?

Why do I only see you when you are complaining?

This entire thread makes me feel embarrassed to be part of the gaming community. When people speak of toxic attitudes, this thread is a prime example. Over a Pokemon game. Over a a game being made to complement the upcoming Gen 8 core game next year. To bridge a gap for newer players and kids. Sometimes I wonder if some people here actually enjoy playing video games, because it just seems to be nothing but misery. Not just this thread, but I think this is the one that finally broke the camel's back for me.

Wondering the same. This thread has made me see some gamers' horrible sides.
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
Are you going to criticize Super Mario 3D World for not being like Odyssey? Because that's what you're doing with this Pokémon title.

The evolution of this style that you're looking for is coming next year:

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reminds me how dumb this game was when it comes to sectioning off stuff. you can see everything but there's two separate areas for some reason. they couldn't make it one whole area
 

1000% H

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,639
Not sharing your enthusiasm isn't "toxicity". It's called criticism. Yes, it's fair to criticize Gamefreak for delivering a Kanto remake/reboot which looks visually bad and retains the level design of a 1997 Gameboy RPG.
Reminder to everyone once again that Pokemon is one of largest media franchises on the planet.
 

Deleted member 32018

User requested account closure
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Nov 8, 2017
7,628
So it should get a pass for being rushed just because it isn't a main game?
I surely hope it doesn't cost the price of 'a main game' then...

It will still have a lot more content then many other $60 games. Nintendo sold DKTF for $60 and it sold well so of course they are going to continue doing things such as that. Should they be criticised for that? Maybe. I personally think it's a little expensive but I'm withholding my full judgement until we find out everything about the games and I'll just find a good deal to get it cheaper anyway.
 

Aleh

Member
Oct 27, 2017
16,300
reminds me how dumb this game was when it comes to sectioning off stuff. you can see everything but there's two separate areas for some reason. they couldn't make it one whole area
Well that was a hardware limitation. Except the little gates with the grass in Hau'oli, I don't know what's up with those.
 

michaeltraps

Member
Oct 28, 2017
131
I think the game looks great and am fully on-board with graphics quality. This is clearly designed as a gateway to grab some Go fans and bring them over to the main series, while giving the rest of us a competent, albeit simplified, Pokemon experience on Switch sooner rather than later.

Also, comparing the graphics of a Pokemon title that will have, at maximum, a three-year dev cycle to other Nintendo games with 4-6 years of development doesn't make any sense to me and is a surefire way to set yourselves up for disappointment, even for the 2019 games.
 

ILikeFeet

DF Deet Master
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
61,987
Well that was a hardware limitation. Except the little gates with the grass in Hau'oli, I don't know what's up with those.
I wouldn't call it that at all. there are plenty of games on the 3DS that did what Pokemon struggled to do. Game Freak were simply inexperienced in making games of this style.
 

Clix

Banned
Not sharing your enthusiasm isn't "toxicity". It's called criticism. Yes, it's fair to criticize Gamefreak for delivering a Kanto remake/reboot which looks visually bad and retains the level design of a 1997 Gameboy RPG.

Full stop. There is criticism, and then there is some of the nonsense in this thread. Nonsense that I can tell you right now that many who enjoy the hobby but are not members of this forum are already specifically pointing to this thread to point that out.

As for visually, I think it looks great. You don't, and that is perfectly fine. But there is, again, criticism and then a good deal of what is happening in this thread.
 

Kiraly

Member
Oct 30, 2017
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Reminder to everyone once again that Pokemon is one of largest media franchises on the planet.

GameFreak is holding back this franchise time and time again. I wish Nintendo pushed through early on and gained a larger share in TPCi, perhaps then can we see some change. I think it's too late now.
 

Deleted member 2793

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
15,368
"Toxicity" can't be used to deny people's criticism. Should I stay quiet when I feel underwhelmed by something I care? I legit don't see any appeal for this besides nostalgia, what it does better than other Pokémon games that have more content and more evolved design?

the story of how over time she became more and more obsessed with studying everything about ultra beasts, and started treating her kids worse and worse.
Nah, but you see, this isn't more mature because it isn't "realistic". Even though this is a series about catching elemental monsters and realism shouldn't matter.

SM has an actual story, RBGY can't be more serious than it when it never even tried to have an actual story arc. And this isn't criticism, both games are kid-friendly, but this doesn't mean they're bad. The tone fits the world pretty well.
 

GhostTrick

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,316
Full stop. There is criticism, and then there is some of the nonsense in this thread. Nonsense that I can tell you right now that many who enjoy the hobby but are not members of this forum are already specifically pointing to this thread to point that out.

As for visually, I think it looks great. You don't, and that is perfectly fine. But there is, again, criticism and then a good deal of what is happening in this thread.


And I explained why I think it doesnt. This isn't a matter of opinions but technical facts. What non-sense ? Saying it's visually not up to par with some PS2 titles ?
You know, there are people who are fans since the first title and now feel tired of the lack of evolution of the serie. In that case, we're talking about regressions. When I played the game on my gameboy when I was 6, it was fine when cities were about 3 houses and a Pokémon center. In 2018, it's more difficult to justify towns made of 3 to 5 houses shaped like a cube. It's not okay for road 3 to look like a line with a small Pokémon center next to a cavern entry. It's not okay for Mt. Moon to look like a tiny cavern.