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Which will you throw in the PC Storage first?

  • Pikachu

    Votes: 590 16.2%
  • Eevee

    Votes: 571 15.7%
  • Your hopes and dreams

    Votes: 2,083 57.4%
  • Jmon

    Votes: 387 10.7%

  • Total voters
    3,631

CoinStarDX

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
629
There are more than 800 Pokemon, and games with a new region, and a whole new collection of Pokémon comes out every two years for awhile now.

Someone please tell me how game freak is constantly catering to nostalgia and only cares about Gen 1?
Gen 2 has you go back to kanto
Gen 3 has kanto remakes
Gen 4 has kanto a-fucking-gain and has a bunch of kanto evolutions as wel
Gen 6 has Megas which focused on kanto pokemon, and have you a gen 1 starter. Hell the first Pokémon you encounter in the wild is a pidgey. It's scripted.
Gen 7 has alolan forms for (you guessed it) only kanto pokemon.

You said it, there's over 800 Pokémon, so why do they continue to focus on only 150 of them.
 

NZerker12

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,537
Stands for Combat Power and is simply a number calculated with a formula using the pokemon's other stats, for a simple at a glance "X Pokemon is stronger than Y Pokemon" thing.
Absolutely nothing to be worried about.

So its basically a simplified version of iv's. So a Lv5 Pikachu with a higher CP is stronger than another which is Lv5 but has a lower CP?
 

DrROBschiz

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,466
Well this certainly is interesting

This feels more like what I wanted pokemon go on mobile to be

Ill give it a shot! Dropping random battles is weird.. Its going go drastically lower the focus on combat for sure and make leveling up tricky (i suppose youll refight trainers now)

Could be a positive change as well since it makes exploration less tedious but they could have just gone the route that bravely default did and let you toggle random encounters.

Either way im not opposed. Looks pretty and bring thinks back to 151 could hopefully lead to more well diverse and ecological designs going forward
 

Chie Satonaka

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,622
This wasn't what I was expecting, and it sure doesn't look like it's for me. Hard, hard pass on this.

I guess I'll pick up Ultra Sun or Moon and wait until next year.
 

byDoS

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,192
Commercially speaking, I think the Let's Go games are brilliant. You have 800 million potential consumers to work on, and if Pokemon Go has proven us anything, is that a casual phenomenon can turn mobile user into mainline buyers.

The Let's Go games will function more as advertising games, and they should be seen as so. And I don't think they will be the last ones.

For the hardcore fans, you all have 2019 ahead. You guys should face LGP/LGE as financials endeavors to secure TPC's future and growth
 

ThatGuyJangle

Flashbulb Games
Verified
Oct 30, 2017
98
Bingo. There's two scenarios I see going forward and one is that they use the let's go series to pander to the people who liked the hand holding in gens 6 and 7 and make gen 8 closer to an exploration based region again, or the second which is they keep gen 8 dumbed down as week after getting people "in the door" as it were with the Let's go games.
Only time will really tell

The 2019 game is already pretty far into development, they're not going to make drastic changes like that based off the sales of Let's Go so late into development.
 

Samuel Cabral

Member
Apr 4, 2018
143
As an European I woke up this morning to the trailer and 20+ pages on this thread (i use the 100 posts per page setting).
At first I didn't know what to think. Then I watched the trailer again and was hyped af.
This game looks great, better than USUM and I really dig the artstyle.
Yes, it's only Kanto region and Kanto Pokémon but nothing stops them to add more Pokémon and regions via patches or DLCs.
You can ride Pokémon and finally have them following you.
NO RANDOM BATTLES, this is beyond awesome.

Then, at work I further examined the trailer with my friend and avid Pokémon fan colleague and some things started to make more sense:
while catching Pokémon you can see both their CP (à la PoGo) and their level, which means it's not full-on Go.
Also, on the battle scene you can clearly see an exp bar below the health bar, as well as the familiar 4-moves and lvl number next to the Pokémon names.
Then, we have the Help command in the catching scene. It would be highly unlikely that that menu is for tutorials, I think it means you can choose to either catch the Pokémon like you do in Go, or use your team to fight it and weaken it, which will definitely handy while trying to catch legendaries.

All in all, I'm not worried about this, we still know next to nothing and there's already a lot to be excited about imho.
totally agree!!!
 

CoolS

Member
Oct 28, 2017
135
Interesting that it doesn't say Switch. And Nintendo has already stated that they are supporting 3DS through 2019.
We are not doing this again
https://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/huge-pokemon-news-revealed-in-tokyo/

Finally, Mr. Masuda returned to the stage to give us a tease at the next major project in development. While Pokémon Quest and Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu!and Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee! represent new and different play styles, he let fans know that a new Pokémon core RPG, developed by GAME FREAK, is planned for launch on Nintendo Switch in late 2019!
 

Łazy

Member
Nov 1, 2017
5,249
Dude, genwunner has always had a negative connotation, and has always had the same definition. If you are offended by that and identify with the label, then you are the problem im referring to. Im not even gonna read the rest of the post after the first two words lol
Ok you're on of these immature people. Good to know. Have a nice day ^^.
I'll discuss with people who do the same.
 

Oddish1

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,818
Do you honestly think those two, popular as they might be, can even compare to the likes of Pikachu/Eevee/Charizard/Blastoise/Mewtwo (and probably 20 more from Gen 1).
Yeah, probably. I don't recall Eevee ever being particularly popular until, for some reason, TPC started really heavily marketing it recently.
 

Sutarufosu

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Mar 18, 2018
175
Or as adults who now have children whose kids are starting to enjoy these things. Nintendo doing family experiences has been bang on for me. Zelda is beyond my lads, but having the entire unit of 4 playing Mario Kart with assists on is a revelation. But, in a nutshell, the series that was always squarely aimed at the youth market is re-evaluating how to make a game to that market. There is absolutely no need to revise the game into some adult friendly multi-hour RPG.

Agreed. I am more than happy to see gamers who are not like me at all getting games that appeal to them. Good.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,994
Interesting that it doesn't say Switch. And Nintendo has already stated that they are supporting 3DS through 2019.
It's for Nintendo Switch. They explicitly said so in the conference, Nintendo's press release says the games they announced at E3 2017 are referring to the 2019 games, and Game Freak already said they're done with 3DS as of Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon.
 

Kinsei

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
20,519
So the only issue have is no random battling right? I see literally nothing else to complain about and tbh as long as they make up for no random battles with many more scripted battles then I think it's fine. I'll decide whether or not to get this game when I see gameplay at treehouse.
The lack of breeding, not being able to evolve your starter, and being limited to only the original 151, Alolan forms, and the one new Pokemon are all pretty big issues IMO.
 

Zomba13

#1 Waluigi Fan! Current Status: Crying
Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,902
Or it's literally just a Help option that explains what to do to the casuals that are playing this game.
This is what I'm leaning towards. It's why it is there for P2 even though P2 doesn't get their own items and aren't in control (they can't run but P1 can). It's a Help prompt, that will explain how to catch things in case you've forgotten/don't understand/are a new player.

EDIT: on closer look it seems that it says item for P2 not help. The pic I was looking at was bad plus my eyes are bad. Saw a better picture and it is Item not Help on P2. I'm an idiot.

Still think "help" is a tutorial thing not a "call for help from pokemon to fight" thing because the wild Pokemon don;t have HP.
 

RockyMin

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,450
Commercially speaking, I think the Let's Go games are brilliant. You have 800 million potential consumers to work on, and if Pokemon Go has proven us anything, is that a casual phenomenon can turn mobile user into mainline buyers.

The Let's Go games will function more as advertising games, and they should be seen as so. And I don't think they will be the last ones.

For the hardcore fans, you all have 2019 ahead. You guys should face LGP/LGE as financials endeavors to secure TPC's future and growth

Let's not forget that Pokemon Go is a free mobile game. Are a lot of these potential consumers going to want to spend $360 for another Pokemon game?
 

Brickhunt

Member
Feb 4, 2018
999
Brazil
Honestly, I feel like people hoping for the 2019 game to be "real" Pokémon games are going to be disappointed.

What purpose there is to make two full rpg games with different mechanics? The 2019 game will probably take place in a new region with all Pkmn available, but it will probably Carry Let's Go gameplay.

I see Pikachu/Eevee as a gateway game for new people into the series. With just 151 to not overwhelm them. I can see them slowly patching the rest later.
 

Mavrick07

Member
Oct 28, 2017
398
So the only issue have is no random battling right? I see literally nothing else to complain about and tbh as long as they make up for no random battles with many more scripted battles then I think it's fine. I'll decide whether or not to get this game when I see gameplay at treehouse.
Another issue could be micro transactions. Has it been addressed yet how you buy Pokeballs? Do you ONLY buy them with the money you win in game? Or will you need to top up your bank account to afford more balls because you run out of in game credits?

In mainline games you really don't need that many balls. To catch 90% of wild pokemon in a game takes 1 ball in GO it takes fucking hundreds half the time. And looking at the videos I see pokemon dodging your balls just like GO forcing you to waste balls. I wonder if they have increased the monetary rewards you earn from trainer battles in order to afford hundreds of balls it's going to take to catch everything.

I also don't like the fact that anyone who has GO will already have a complete DEX by transferring everything right on over to the games. What would the purpose of the game be in that case? What is stopping me from just walking through the entire game start to finish never encountering a Pokemon because I don't need to now you don't gain EXP from battles?
 

Benzychenz

One Winged Slayer
Member
Nov 1, 2017
15,378
Australia
So its basically a simplified version of iv's. So a Lv5 Pikachu with a higher CP is stronger than another which is Lv5 but has a lower CP?
It shows their stats as a whole. As in (completely made up numbers) a Dragonite with 152 HP, 122 attack, 97 defence, 118 sp. atk, 92 sp. def, 104 speed, would show a CP of 2498.

So yeah if you saw two wild Pikachu at the same level, one could be 372 CP and one could be 375, which would be caused by a difference in IVs (or natures if they're in this, as different stats have different CP weightings in GO).
 

Superking

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,619
Anybody else think this looks super unimpressive? It's like a 3DS game with AA. Everything looks so simple and flat. Granted, it's probably due to this being Gamefreak's first console level game and considering they've done nothing but handheld titles, they don't have much experience in the graphics department, but still.
 

Skyfireblaze

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,257
Certain mechanics could transfer over to the main games.

Yeah of course that _could_ happen but I trust Nintendo to be aware of "core" fans not wanting a diluted experience, it would most likely end up with the Let's Go! series and the normal series running side-by-side from now on, they won't have given it a specific subname just for the heck of it. Actually that's the best of both worlds, Nintendo will have their "casual" sales with Let's Go! and actually has little reason to dumb-down the main-games further. Nintendo has proven to be very attentive to what their customers want in games since the Switch so for now I give them the benefit of doubt until I start hearing negative things about the 2019 games.
 

Steiner

Member
Oct 29, 2017
596
Only Nintendo can sell a slightly better looking 3ds game, with a fraction of the usual content, for 60$. What a joke.
 

CarthOhNoes

Someone is plagiarizing this post
Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,181
I legit do not know why people are getting so upset by this. Like, I know it's the internet and people are gamers therefore GETTING FURIOUSLY ANGRY and making wild assumptions is the norm but seriously guys?

Gen 8 was NEVER going to be a thing in 2018. Timescale is too short. So there were 2 options: get literally nothing this year, or get something this year and a proper gen 8 next year. Clearly, the latter is way better than the former. This will let people on Switch build up a collection of Pokemon on the system (more on that in a sec) and will bring in people who've only ever played GO.

They have literally said that the big announcement of a "core RPG" made at E3 last year relating to the 2019 game. Masuda said about it today that it is "in the style of X&Y or Sun and Moon". That's about as big a clue as you can get - it's going to be a proper, traditional, gen 8 game with a new world and new Pokemon. Perhaps the original 151 won't be obtainable in that game at all. Which would mean Switch only users who don't own a 3DS (they exist, believe it or not) would need a way of obtaining them / transferring them to the game. Oh look, how convenient, a game which lets them get all those classic 151 Pokemon and transfer them to the new game! It's called Let's Go Pikachu / Let's Go Evee!

If you loathe the idea of LPLGE and think that anyone who plays it is a pathetic "genwunner" moron and hate anybody who plays Pokemon GO and everything that it stands for then fine. You've got Smash, Fire Emblem and god knows what else to play till November 2019, when a proper Gen 8 mainline, core, ultra hardcore extreme super MLG VGC game will be released.

If you just enjoy Pokemon and want to play a shiny remake of Yellow on Switch with a different capture mechanic then great - you're covered this November. People who are desperate for a new gen should be excited - LGPLGE is not the future of the series as far as we know. Just be patient - if the 2019 game is gen 8 then marketing and hype will start for it early next year. Not long to wait.
 

Twentieth

Member
Oct 26, 2017
373
My biggest question is why even bother having a catch mechanic unless there's a chance for it to fail.

Like the entirety premise of catching Pokémon is that you weaken it to make it easier to catch so you don't use as many Pokeballs. In Pokémon go this is obviously weighted toward you using up balls so you'll put money into the game/engage with pokestops. In an actual game, that just ends up being an I game money sink. I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around a battle system that boils down to "press a button until we've decided you've spent enough in game dollars to obtain the Pokémon"

There is a chance for the throw to fail. Go's catching system has some skill involved: you have to get the timing of the circle in front of the Pokémon and avoid their short "movement" animations. Better timing and accuracy lead to increased captured chance.
 

Tophat Jones

Alt Account
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
14,946
Gen 2 has you go back to kanto
Gen 3 has kanto remakes
Gen 4 has kanto a-fucking-gain and has a bunch of kanto evolutions as wel
Gen 6 has Megas which focused on kanto pokemon, and have you a gen 1 starter. Hell the first Pokémon you encounter in the wild is a pidgey. It's scripted.
Gen 7 has alolan forms for (you guessed it) only kanto pokemon.

You said it, there's over 800 Pokémon, so why do they continue to focus on only 150 of them.
Wait do people dislike Kanto? Or the 151? (I'm sure you'll say both so you don't have to answer, but those are different things.) Those games where you go back still have all the other Pokémon in them.

The Alolan forms is a fair point. But I'm sure gen 8 will expand that by a good amount.

From a business perspective, obviously nothing will ever be as popular or recognizable as some of those original 151, so them being favored isn't surprising. But there are still new Pokémon coming out at an alarming rate (for someone like me who gave up trying to keep up with all of them years ago).
 

Charbox

Member
May 21, 2018
267
Okay I have to ask, why are people mad at these games existing when we know that Gen 8 comes 2019? It seems that GameFreak couldn't manage Gen 8 for 2018 so they made a Pokémon Go stop-gap remake to appease fans and cash in on Pokémon Go while we still get a "normal" game in 2019, where is anything bad here?
It's funny how much every generation hasn't changed yet this is the game that sets everyone off because it uses and aspect from GO which many "hardcore Pokémon fans" hate.

To the fan base I say enjoy it for what it is and if you don't like it then hey don't play it, Pokemon yellow was my first ever game so going back to play it in a new way is exciting to me and if I wanted to play a game like the older games I can just pick up my DS and play them or just wait another year.
 

Sander VF

The Fallen
Oct 28, 2017
25,934
Tbilisi, Georgia
Honestly, I feel like people hoping for the 2019 game to be "real" Pokémon games are going to be disappointed.

What purpose there is to make two full rpg games with different mechanics? The 2019 game will probably take place in a new region with all Pkmn available, but it will probably Carry Let's Go gameplay.

I see Pikachu/Eevee as a gateway game for new people into the series. With just 151 to not overwhelm them. I can see them slowly patching the rest later.
They wouldn't have to make a distinction between the two games if that were the case. They specifically said it will be "in they vein of XY" to differentiate it from this game.

In fact, if that were the case, they wouldn't waste resources on a different game that has been in development for a while.
 

Kentsui

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,514
So its basically a simplified version of iv's. So a Lv5 Pikachu with a higher CP is stronger than another which is Lv5 but has a lower CP?
Basically yes it's a mix of pokemon level + Iv's and the max CP you can encounter a pokemon in the wild is capped by your trainer level with some modifiers depending on the weather.
It's also used as a stamina unit in gyms which determines how many losses your mon can take before getting kicked and it decays over time the longer it is in a gym.
 

NotLiquid

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
34,748
I still have no idea how I should feel about the removal of random encounters.

On one hand, it's been a staple since the original game, without it there's a sense that there's an element missing to the core game play loop.

On the other hand... I fucking hate random encounters.

And I can't say I feel as sure about it as I was with BOTW upending its own roots when the things it replaced it's series traditions with were brand new systems that facilitated a wholly unique new game play loop. With Let's Go, I feel like I don't know enough about it yet to know if removing them will have been for the best.

We'll see.
 

Rozart

Member
Oct 28, 2017
874
It might also be that the first 150 Pokemon's are more approachable to new audiences unfamiliar with the franchise. Just a suggestion.

Lol where did you pull those statistics? Most of my nieces and nephews have only experienced the original 150 trough GO.

Yup. Same here. My nephew's favourite pokemon are Dragonite and Eevee. He's four going on five and he discovered Pokemon through Pokemon Go (which he still enjoys playing).
 

NZerker12

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,537
It's the "Combat Power", there are no "levels" on Go, just a CP bar (more like semicircle) that goes up to the tens of thousands (for raid bosses) and that you can fill in with candy (that you get from capturing duplicates of pokemon of the same species) and that raises the stats.

This game has levels as well. Quoting myself from before:

So its basically a simplified version of iv's. So a Lv5 Pikachu with a higher CP is stronger than another which is Lv5 but has a lower CP?

Thats the only way I can understand this with both levels and CP existing here.