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I don't see why I should give a game made by someone who despises women, and who associates himself with a misogynist hate movement that has actively ruined women's lives, any benefit of the doubt on this.
It's just that this critique deliberately nitpicks. I'll just link this post here before I just repeat most of what it says: https://www.resetera.com/posts/4947510/

But I get why someone would say the game is misogynist just based on reading stuff like that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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the success of kcd shows that you can be alt-right and still sell games

hell, many people probably explicitly bought it because of its gamergate connections

no wonder vavra would be even more explicit with his alt-right stances. it sells among a certain crowd
One guy being alt-right doesn't mean the whole dev team is alt-right. That's ridiculous. There are probably people with alt-right sympathies on every game development studio.
 

Wulfram

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Central European maker of historical game promotes another central European historical game
 

His Majesty

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I don't see why I should give a game made by someone who despises women, and who associates himself with a misogynist hate movement that has actively ruined women's lives, any benefit of the doubt on this.
This is the complete codex entry on the role of women in medieval society, I don't really see what's so offensive about it to be fair. If anything it highlights the oppression they endured without glorifying the patriarchical society, as implied in that segment you quoted.

In the medieval, purely patriarchal society, the man was the head of the family, with the roles of women determined by their relationship to him — daughter, sister, Wife, mother or widow. Girls had a short childhood, according to municipal documents reaching the age of majority between 12 and 15 years of age. Boys, in terms of territorial law, became grown-ups at 15. Men spent most of their time at their craft, trading or swordsmanship, depending on their station in life' while women attended to housework and family. Only a widow could obtain permission to conduct trade or a craft activity, with the help of journeymen, of course.

Village women did not leave their homes very much or wander the vicinity needlessly. Some rules about venturing out were dictated by social class. While townswomen and noblewomen could venture beyond the home only when accompanied by their spouse or servants, the wives of artisans, merchants and peasants could walk about unaccompanied.

The domestic activities of well-to-do women included embroidery, cleaning, childcare, shopping and playing musical instruments. Village women spent their time working in the fields or pastures, bee-keeping, weaving, spinning, preparing food, knitting and sewing.

During the high Middle Ages the ideal of beauty was a thin, pale woman with long blonde hair, small rounded breasts, relatively narrow hips and a narrow waist. The most important thing was, of course, health and fertility. A woman in the Middle Ages would from the beginning of sexual maturity be pregnant virtually every year — it was not unusual for one to be a mother three or four times over by the age of twenty. Births were complicated and after- care inadequate, so the risk of death in childbirth was great.

Girls were afforded less attention than boys, but when it came to honour, the contrary applied. Old maids, seduced daughters and unmarried mothers brought the family shame. While boys inherited the livelihood, the parents of girls had to accumulate a dowry with which to 'compensate' the bridegroom.
There are quite some strong and interesting women in the game, which try to live their lives within the context of this society. Not to mention that the developers announced in their roadmap that there is a new DLC coming where you get to play as Theresa. I understand why some people want to portray this as a anti-feminist game based on Vavra's views but there really isn't any proof in the game to back that claim up. Of course when you start nitpicking things you're able to make any accusation stick.
 

LordBaztion

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Man I still need to play Kingdom Come, I'll definitely buying it when gets a discount.
Also I've been keeping an eye over Ancestors, I'm interested.
 

Reckheim

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Vavra is doing a disservice to his company and people that work for him with this shit. Its detrimental to their future as a respected studio. The guy just needs to stop or let Martin Klima take more of the lead role.

Its such an incredibly dumb decision to do this after the whole controversy they already went through.
 

Persagen

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Vavra is doing a disservice to his company and people that work for him with this shit. Its detrimental to their future as a respected studio. The guy just needs to stop or let Martin Klima take more of the lead role.

Its such an incredibly dumb decision to do this after the whole controversy they already went through.
You would think so, but didn't Kingdom Come sell really well? If there are no real or lasting consequences for Vavra's views and rhetoric, he's likely to be even more outspoken if anything.
 

SmokingBun

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Well I just cancelled my pre-order of Kingdom Come
To hell with it, I hope companies like EA flourish and destroy gaming if this is how we behave
 

haveheart

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It's been an undercurrent aspect of the industry since it's inception. It's just it, as well as many other aspects of culture, have felt no need to mask it anymore.

You'd think societies and cultures would grow together and develop further but apparently we're more and more drifting apart and while the one party moves forward the other one turns around becoming more and more revisionist creating an even bigger gap.
 

TheStigGT999

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User Banned (Permanent): Spreading misinformation about moderation, account still in the junior phase.
is this true?

ResetEra banning users who praise KINGDOM COME DELIVERANCE dev


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Bourgeois

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Bismillah Al Rahman Al Rahim.

Brethren, am I the only one among you who sees no problem with this holy marriage of two gaming studios?
 
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Muffin

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is this true?

ResetEra banning users who praise KINGDOM COME DELIVERANCE dev
No.

You can praise the studio all you want for their game and even say that Vavra has done things positively (the things that he was really responsible for in the game), you're not however allowed to just go into a KCD thread, say some stupid one-liner about how great he alone has made the game and is as a person bla bla, just to try to counter people criticizing him while you have no arguments against it.

Basically don't single the guy out for praise when it doesn't fit just to praise the guy for his views in a roundabout way.
 

Bourgeois

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Member has been permanently banned: trolling. Account still in junior phase.
No.

You can praise the studio all you want for their game and even say that Vavra has done things positively (the things that he was really responsible for in the game), you're not however allowed to just go into a KCD thread, say some stupid one-liner about how great he alone has made the game and is as a person bla bla, just to try to counter people criticizing him while you have no arguments against it.

Basically don't single the guy out for praise when it doesn't fit just to praise the guy for his views in a roundabout way.
BARAR.

Brother, are you saying it is allowed to single out a person to criticize him but it is illegal to single out a person to praise him?
This is unimaginable.
 

Bourgeois

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Central European maker of historical game promotes another central European historical game
BARAR.

Brother why is this wrong? I am praying everyday waiting for the golden age of studios in the middle east, we have plenty of interesting stories to tell through gaming and I imagine one Middle Eastern maker of historical game will promote another one. Should I warn my brethren about this practice? Is there something wrong with it?
 

Sou Da

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The team up we've all been waiting for.

No trend here by the way:

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is this true?

ResetEra banning users who praise KINGDOM COME DELIVERANCE dev


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There was a whole bunch of valid criticism in the Kingdom Come threads that was brushed aside with statements along the lines of "Well, you didn't play it so you can't have an opinion" or "Well, you're nitpicking from a political perspective whilst I'm clearly being 100% objective despite being willing to give a company owned by a white supremacist money" and those posters were fine, so I think that's total bullshit?
 

spam musubi

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Ancestors: Legacy. You can't make this shit up.

Yep. Nordic history, "legacy of the ancestors" etc is a very common way to smuggle neo Nazi ideas in. See the majority of the black metal scene. Of course, caring about (Nordic) history doesn't necessarily make one a bad person, but the nazis have done a great job especially in Europe by whitewashing Nordic history and bootstrapping their ideology with it. Unsurprising that a studio with extremely questionable actions would go ahead and make a game about it.
 

Cymbal Head

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Good. It will be easier to avoid supporting these kinds of people if they all voluntarily sort themselves into one big heap.