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Design Director at DICE made a great comment on Reddit about the backlash regarding the BFV reveal
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The vast majority of players don't care about women either, but the same manbabies will still be as loud as possible while the game sells millions. YT dislikes aren't gonna change that. And hell no it wasn't revisionist history, the same players going about muh historical accuracy did the same thing it was 2 years ago you think the community can't remember? It's almost literally word for word from the "it's not actually about racism/sexism it's about historical accuracy" to a suggestion for an "authenticity setting" to "i'm not racist/sexist BUT"
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Ryan is trying really hard.Yes, it's an actual real issue. But thinking that that's why the majority of people disliked this trailer can cause this:
People I spoke to said that this trailer was nowhere near as good as BF1 one and that it was a scripted CGI, that's why they disliked it. Of course they are a smallest minority but we have Infinity Warfare which was disliked because a lot of reasons.
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Go look at those comments and look at how many upvotes they have.
It's not just one off trolls. It's a large number of shitbags.
Oh okay, so hopefully there will indeed be some of this in the story mode then.
Dice has mention war stories will return. In the stream, they mention a Norwegian resistance fighter iirc.
I know it's probably asking a lot, but I'd be really interested to see a story from, say, the perspective of a Chinese or Korean soldier, or maybe even Ethiopia during their invasion by the Axis, though that might be a bit early in the war.
I just hope it's not all Europe. WWII is way more 'world' than WWI was, by the numbers.
This is why Medal Of Honor and the early Call Of Duty games were rad cause of focusing on different theatres.
We shouldn't even be having this kind of outrage though! Why must we always prove that perceived notion that gamers are a bunch of whiny dorks who complain about everything? We really shouldn't live up to that name! Yet here we are complaining not only about women appearing in a game, but that we're also complaining about coloring and immersion so much that it comes to having a mass dislike of a YouTube video.
For every Battlefront II backlash that shows that we have common sense we get two BFV controversies. One step forward, two steps back.
I actually think that the multiplayer video looks pretty dumb, but it's hard to work up much sympathy for its detractors. It's a position that has been too thoroughly poisoned by the misogynists. It doesn't help that the default alternative, that it's not historically accurate, is a hilariously bad argument.
That would honestly be really cool, but ignored theaters are probably still going to stay ignored. The idea of the Second Italian-Ethiopian War is especially intriguing, but most people have never heard of it so it's not going to get the attention.
Honestly, I'd be happy if someone did the 442nd Regiment. It's the most decorated American unit from WW2 and no one has bothered telling their story.
why are ppl saying this multiplayer trailer? There is a cutscene from story in the first min lol
Who says it is a cutscene from the story? Could just be a scripted scene for that trailer.
Remember that one game that had the most down votes in history on a trailer? In the end it sold real bloody well.
YouTube dislikes mean fuck all.
YouTube dislikes mean fuck all.
Oh really? It looked so much like a cutscene like the ones from BF1
The vast majority of players don't care about women either, but the same manbabies will still be as loud as possible while the game sells millions. YT dislikes aren't gonna change that. And hell no it wasn't revisionist history, the same players going about muh historical accuracy did the same thing it was 2 years ago you think the community can't remember? It's almost literally word for word from the "it's not actually about racism/sexism it's about historical accuracy" to a suggestion for an "authenticity setting" to "i'm not racist/sexist BUT"
To honest the main BF reddit wasn't even the worst of that situation. The real offenders going off and circle jerking was the BF1 reddit, now that was ugly.
The trailer is really confusing. The second part is definitely showing multiplayer since there are playernames in the scorefeed when damaging or killing enemies. But that could also just be cluttered onto the top of the image for the trailer. I am really excited for EA Play to see real gameplay.
It's very clear that the majority of the complaints are from sexist gamers....
As for the fantasy WWII setting I welcome it with pleasure. Till this day It's a damn shame that Kojima didn't make Metal Gear Solid 5 with The Boss and The Cobra Unit in the World War 2....
As for the fantasy WWII setting I welcome it with pleasure. Till this day It's a damn shame that Kojima didn't make Metal Gear Solid 5 with The Boss and The Cobra Unit in the World War 2....
My point was just more that we really don't need any more WWII games with America at center stage in any regard, there are loads already and Battlefield 1 already did the 'unsung American squad' thing.
The US market is where Battlefield games sale the most. So its only a matter of time.
BF4 was good as hell when it wasn't broken.
Sorry, i'm not trying to exposs your dog-whistles but can you give some examples of a "SJW pro-like campaign"?
Second one is a meme about the women's "attraction". It's fucking transparent as shit. Also, ship of theseus.
I'm all for female soldiers in every army in BF, but I still don't get this comment.
I would say to my daughter: "See, back then women in British and American armies weren't allowed to fight on the frontlines. But hey, they can in this video game I made!".
It's like, let's not hide from younger generations that world was far more sexist / racist in the past.
I would say to my daughter: "See, back then women in British and American armies weren't allowed to fight on the frontlines. But hey, they can in this video game I made!".
It's like, let's not hide from younger generations that world was far more sexist / racist in the past.
I agree, devs need to make the games that they want to play, not the games that they think will be well received by their customers, or that might make them lots of money. And if your game doesn't sell well and Papa EA takes you out the back and shoots you, at least you were true to yourself.
This is why I would pay for War Stories DLC in BF1, and I would do so again in BFV.
I hope they don't back away from their stance on this. This is legitimately the most I've been interested in Battlefield in a long fucking time.
It really gets tiresome how divisive some people are being about this. There is no need. Sexism is wrong. But if people cannot understand why many felt that trailer was so different in tone to past BF games as to be shocking then either they haven't played BF, or they haven't played much.
The crazy OTT style was certainly way, way off what we expect from a mainline battlefield. And to be concerned that they ruin the game (for many old school BF players) by chasing the customisation coin, is legitimate right now for sure.
Until we see real gameplay to see if what DICE are putting out looks like a series of WW2 battles or not, we won't be able to tell. Wanting a mainline Battlefield game to feel like WW2 is a fully legitimate wish. Given BF1 had female soldiers but maintained a consistency in tone and style across the game, I'm hoping V will do the same. I do fear though, that the customisation will take things a step too far for many. As said BF to date has been a game about large scale war in a sandbox environment. Not a game about wacky customisations.
The crazy OTT style was certainly way, way off what we expect from a mainline battlefield. And to be concerned that they ruin the game (for many old school BF players) by chasing the customisation coin, is legitimate right now for sure.
Until we see real gameplay to see if what DICE are putting out looks like a series of WW2 battles or not, we won't be able to tell. Wanting a mainline Battlefield game to feel like WW2 is a fully legitimate wish. Given BF1 had female soldiers but maintained a consistency in tone and style across the game, I'm hoping V will do the same. I do fear though, that the customisation will take things a step too far for many. As said BF to date has been a game about large scale war in a sandbox environment. Not a game about wacky customisations.
If you're getting your history lessons from Battlefield, something is seriously fucking wrong.
Cool, a day when someone is upset about man/woman role in a a video game is a good day. Imagine being that person, waking up and literally being upset about a video game having a female character.
Well...
DICE Design Director said:
so it is a goal of the games. And no, there's nothing "seriously fucking wrong" about getting historical insight from a video game. Battlefield 1, for instance, introduced a lot of people (myself included) to the Harlem Hellfighters.
Never believe whatever someone says before "but".
People basing their history of WW2 solely on videogames/movies sure are coming out of the woodwork after this, huh.
personally i wasnt into the idea of over the top customization ( swords, color make up, mohawks), dont care if women or the likes are in it.
well it looks like they're about to learn about a little thing called representation too
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That's nice. We also have plenty of people projecting their historical insight based purely on shit they've experienced in previous Battlefield/Call of Duty games.
Know what bothers me a lot?
I was playing some BF1 last night and while it is a lot of fun, a thought came back to my head again that I haven't had in a while: "This is WW2 reskinned as WW1". All the automatic weapons, the tanks rolling around, fighterplanes buzzing having dogfights in a quick manner and giant bomber planes. This is literally how WW2 works, not WW1. For all the arguments people are using that BF1 is "realistic looking" and "portrays the war correctly" in comparison to BFV, it really does not.
And now I am just even more annoyed at people who try to say that Battlefield has been some "authentic war experience".
I was playing some BF1 last night and while it is a lot of fun, a thought came back to my head again that I haven't had in a while: "This is WW2 reskinned as WW1". All the automatic weapons, the tanks rolling around, fighterplanes buzzing having dogfights in a quick manner and giant bomber planes. This is literally how WW2 works, not WW1. For all the arguments people are using that BF1 is "realistic looking" and "portrays the war correctly" in comparison to BFV, it really does not.
And now I am just even more annoyed at people who try to say that Battlefield has been some "authentic war experience".
I don't think so - I think based on WW2 media in general. If that perception is proven wrong I don't see them adhering to it - Battlefield 1 had black soldiers, Indian soldiers, female Russian soldiers, and it didn't get the response Battlefield V is getting. Maybe some of that is due to the current political climate, but I don't think all of it is.
There was backlash for the BF1 for those things. The difference is that it was very hard for them to get their hooks in and to hide their racism so it didn't last long.
So do you guys think that there is absolutely no difference between "authentic gameplay" and "authentic visuals"? Cause I think I see it.
Like, I won't create a soldier who will run around the battlefield only with blue tank-top and with a katana on their back, cause it looks weird for me. I still think customization in BFV isnt' that bad though. But I would never want to see a pink trench coat for example.
But all the comparisions to silly situations in Battlefield games - is it the same thing? It's something that players create. Players stick C4 to jeeps to make super-jumps in BF4. Players can do silly shit even in realistic games, like in Squad for example. But if they don't, the battlefield looks quite authentic. I don't think every single person talking about it is a silly crying sexist manbaby :P
Like, I won't create a soldier who will run around the battlefield only with blue tank-top and with a katana on their back, cause it looks weird for me. I still think customization in BFV isnt' that bad though. But I would never want to see a pink trench coat for example.
But all the comparisions to silly situations in Battlefield games - is it the same thing? It's something that players create. Players stick C4 to jeeps to make super-jumps in BF4. Players can do silly shit even in realistic games, like in Squad for example. But if they don't, the battlefield looks quite authentic. I don't think every single person talking about it is a silly crying sexist manbaby :P
That's definitely not what I've seen. Besides the shitty YouTube comments the majority of criticisms I've seen have been have been regarding other aspects of the trailer.
In fact, most of the complaints I've seen about the woman in the trailer have actually been about how she's British.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Unironic use of the pejorative "SJW", framing diversity efforts as a world-ruining agenda.
Maybe there was none in your book, or maybe there's actually none at all. But are you confident on saying there's no influence of those SJW extremist at all from your perspective?
Btw, I thought I clearly wrote 'pro-like' not a full on 'pro' campaign. Also, I hope you're not mislead by the word 'campaign', or should I rephrase it as 'agenda'?
World is ruined by these things.
With the « war stories » not with a multiplayer match. Come on man.
Good for the director.
Gaming websites made this a thing with the COD:IW vs BF1. Now they can't help but treat this as news.
Gaming websites made this a thing with the COD:IW vs BF1. Now they can't help but treat this as news.