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The Good Fight Season 2 |OT| The best (fictional) show featuring a Pee Tape episode

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Wowfunhappy

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berzeli said:
The show has definitely found its stride, this was another terrific episode.

Also, it will fucking break me.

The comic book (sorry, grrrraphic novels) dude, this magnificent fucker right here:
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Well here he is in The Good Wife playing the same guy but he's a blogger at the time:
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You didn't need to do this show. We wouldn't have noticed if you let the same actor play two different characters but no, you fuckers actually kept it consistent.

I know the dumb jokes about "deepest lore" that some games have. But fuck it, absolutely nothing matches the shit these two shows pull on a frighteningly regular basis.
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That's awesome! How the heck did you find this lol?
 
PhilosopherDirtBike

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berzeli said:
The show has definitely found its stride, this was another terrific episode.

Also, it will fucking break me.

The comic book (sorry, grrrraphic novels) dude, this magnificent fucker right here:
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Well here he is in The Good Wife playing the same guy but he's a blogger at the time:
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You didn't need to do this show. We wouldn't have noticed if you let the same actor play two different characters but no, you fuckers actually kept it consistent.

I know the dumb jokes about "deepest lore" that some games have. But fuck it, absolutely nothing matches the shit these two shows pull on a frighteningly regular basis.
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Holy shit it's Buzz from Home Alone
 
PhilosopherDirtBike

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This show has been great this season. A Madoff storyline in 2018 just felt super dated and once they dropped that, the show was just immediately so much better and they could focus on Trump stuff and cases that feel extremely relevant for the time we're living in.

Though, much like the last few seasons of The Good Wife, there's a definite sense of the Kings making shit up as they go along based on guest star availability. "Oh yeah, not only is Lemond Bishop our client, he got out of jail a year ago and I just never mentioned it until now." (And as previously pointed out in this thread, it's insane that he only served two years).

And the resolution of "Who shot Adrian?" was so laughably anticlimactic. Although there wasn't really any person it could have been that would have felt all that exciting (short of it being Alicia, which would have been maybe the most bonkers twist in the history of television?) Even still, the way they resolved it just kind of felt like they were trying to get it over with.
 
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PhilosopherDirtBike said:
This show has been great this season. A Madoff storyline in 2018 just felt super dated and once they dropped that, the show was just immediately so much better and they could focus on Trump stuff and cases that feel extremely relevant for the time we're living in.

Though, much like the last few seasons of The Good Wife, there's a definite sense of the Kings making shit up as they go along based on guest star availability. "Oh yeah, not only is Lemond Bishop our client, he got out of jail a year ago and I just never mentioned it until now." (And as previously pointed out in this thread, it's insane that he only served two years).

And the resolution of "Who shot Adrian?" was so laughably anticlimactic. Although there wasn't really any person it could have been that would have felt all that exciting (short of it being Alicia, which would have been maybe the most bonkers twist in the history of television?) Even still, the way they resolved it just kind of felt like they were trying to get it over with.
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I get the impression that they realize all their long story arcs suck, but only find out like 5 episodes into the arc. lol
 

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PhilosopherDirtBike said:
This show has been great this season. A Madoff storyline in 2018 just felt super dated and once they dropped that, the show was just immediately so much better and they could focus on Trump stuff and cases that feel extremely relevant for the time we're living in.

Though, much like the last few seasons of The Good Wife, there's a definite sense of the Kings making shit up as they go along based on guest star availability. "Oh yeah, not only is Lemond Bishop our client, he got out of jail a year ago and I just never mentioned it until now." (And as previously pointed out in this thread, it's insane that he only served two years).

And the resolution of "Who shot Adrian?" was so laughably anticlimactic. Although there wasn't really any person it could have been that would have felt all that exciting (short of it being Alicia, which would have been maybe the most bonkers twist in the history of television?) Even still, the way they resolved it just kind of felt like they were trying to get it over with.
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Yeah, it's a little weird. For every great moment (like Diane getting her shit together), there's at least one dumb one each episode, like the whole kill all lawyers / shooting Adrian arc and its apparent resolution.

I wonder if the show's budget is an issue or if they just can't plan ahead at all. Now that you've reminded me that it has been like this for a few years (remember when they built up the guy from Fringe as Alicia's opponent, only to suddenly switch him for David Hyde Pierce), I'm thinking it's probably the latter though.

Second season has definitely been an improvement over the first one so far although it still feels all over the place with pretty little direction. The strongest seasons of TGW had a relatively strong focus on two or three big story arcs (Cary and Alicia founding their own firm, Will's death, etc.), while in TGF (S2) it feels like a lot is going on but nothing is necessarily important. I wasn't a fan of the Madoff storyline either but at least the conflicts and stakes for Maia were clear and relatable.
 
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berzeli

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Wowfunhappy said:
That's awesome! How the heck did you find this lol?
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I'm just that good. ;)

Nah, I knew recognised him from something so I went on IMDb to find that something (that something turned out to be HBO's Mosaic) and whilst I was there I spotted the connection. Then I just had to find where in the Good Wife episode he appeared and cap it.
 
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PhilosopherDirtBike said:
Holy shit it's Buzz from Home Alone
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lmao I thought you were joking but HOLY FUCK it is him. Good shit.
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I'lll also chime in and say sure it was kinda awkward how Maia's main story was pretty much shelved and the show became a different show as a result. But it was for the better and it's all good tbh. Maybe they'll set her up with a better story to work with next season regarding her pops. But I also wouldn't mind if they just don't touch on that stuff ever again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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So what a weird season. The show is just much better because it decided to focus on Diane and Lucca, although I feel bad that the writers fucked up Maia and basically made the actress the least important character on the show. She's below the bald Trump lawyer now and is probably there for contractual reasons. :p
I don't mind that they tried to engage with the Trump stuff, but a lot of it just felt... I dunno, fan-fictioney, for lack of a better word. It's like the ridiculous NSA stuff from the Good Wife.

But at least they seem to have a clear idea what the want the show to be now, so it's not stuck in a bad rut anymore at least. I guess ideally they can figure out what to do with Maia, even if it just means writing her off, because it's kind of distracting having the former main character of the show basically be reduced to an extra. lol
 
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firehawk12 said:
So what a weird season. The show is just much better because it decided to focus on Diane and Lucca, although I feel bad that the writers fucked up Maia and basically made the actress the least important character on the show.
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Yes, Marissa is basically the third lead now.
And you're right, that's why season 2 is better than season 1.

Too bad for Rose Leslie though, it's not her fault her character was flawed from the start.

I don't mind that they tried to engage with the Trump stuff, but a lot of it just felt... I dunno, fan-fictioney, for lack of a better word. It's like the ridiculous NSA stuff from the Good Wife.
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Some times, yes very much.
Other times, like with the NRA lawyer in the finale, it was painfully too real.
 
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On one hand Diane and Luca are way better characters to follow on the other hand i agree its weird how Maia is a glorified extra now
 
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They had one good storyline to follow with Maia, and that was the firm prioritizing her in Lucca's stead because of the pregnancy, and that would give me The Good Wife's feels. Instead, nothing happened during that episode and people just got over any issues with Lucca's pregnancy and accepted her just like that. We've had good friends having the biggest feuds on the show, and instead of using one to make Maia something more than an extra, they just went with unicorns and rainbows.

At least they're focusing more on Diane and that always makes me happy. Now I hope they focus less on Trump, because it's just... Tiresome. I want a good show like The Good Wife, not something that'll revolve around politics and leave the meat of the show in second place.
 

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Shizuka said:
They had one good storyline to follow with Maia, and that was the firm prioritizing her in Lucca's stead because of the pregnancy, and that would give me The Good Wife's feels. Instead, nothing happened during that episode and people just got over any issues with Lucca's pregnancy and accepted her just like that. We've had good friends having the biggest feuds on the show, and instead of using one to make Maia something more than an extra, they just went with unicorns and rainbows.

At least they're focusing more on Diane and that always makes me happy. Now I hope they focus less on Trump, because it's just... Tiresome. I want a good show like The Good Wife, not something that'll revolve around politics and leave the meat of the show in second place.
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Yeah. Also, especially the politics stuff just feels like farce at this point. They are catering to every stereotype and while those often might be true there's just no fun in watching Boseman having to deal with these idiots at the committee, for example, there's no payoff. Watching him take down a smart republican would be interesting (as he kinda suggested himself) but when the NRA woman showed up he basically just folded?

Maybe I shouldn't have started rewatching The West Wing a few months ago and maybe the comparison isn't quite fair but even in Sorkin's worst eps the political arguments are leagues ahead of what TGF is doing here.
 
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Is... is Lucca falling for Maia, or am I just getting exceptionally fanfic-y about the way she ogled that BMW?

All-in-all that was a very enjoyable finale, some great swearing, some great humour, and that continuous escalation of drama that the show and its predecessor does so well. The Stormy Daniels/deepthroat scene (and joke) was superb shit.
 

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berzeli said:
Is... is Lucca falling for Maia, or am I just getting exceptionally fanfic-y about the way she ogled that BMW?
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Was wondering about that. Sure looked like it to me, then again Marissa was there, too. Think it can be taken either way although with her mother's speech in mind, I'm leaning towards Lucca having feelings for Maia. Would definitely prefer that over Colin / DC drama and keeping Lucca away from the firm for a few episodes next season.
 
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Was wondering about that. Sure looked like it to me, then again Marissa was there, too. Think it can be taken either way although with her mother's speech in mind, I'm leaning towards Lucca having feelings for Maia. Would definitely prefer that over Colin / DC drama and keeping Lucca away from the firm for a few episodes next season.
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I was almost afraid that I had done my first shipping of a couple on a show. But at least I'm not the only one seeing it... wait maybe we're both turning into shippers. The horror the horror of it all.

Honestly the scene is pretty darn ambiguous, but it is Maia's car and the mom speech was about whose car you would be happy to see not who was in it. So Marissa being there might no be a big factor, and oh god suddenly I'm even more glad we get a season 3 so I don't have to obsess over this for ever more but will get a definitive answer sometime next year. It would also help with both problems of politics stuff not working for some and Maia being sidelined not working for some.
 
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berzeli said:
Is... is Lucca falling for Maia, or am I just getting exceptionally fanfic-y about the way she ogled that BMW?
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I read this post before watching the episode so when the scene came around I thought "well, she's just happy to see her friends" then they cut back to Maia's car... yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see something come out of it next season.
 
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This finale lost me. I'm kinda tired of all the Trump stuff and the show is approaching conspiracy-theory level of ridiculousness (The whole deal with the vase was ugh). Even the way they took out the dude prosecuting Diane in the end felt too cheap and sudden.

berzeli said:
Is... is Lucca falling for Maia, or am I just getting exceptionally fanfic-y about the way she ogled that BMW?

All-in-all that was a very enjoyable finale, some great swearing, some great humour, and that continuous escalation of drama that the show and its predecessor does so well. The Stormy Daniels/deepthroat scene (and joke) was superb shit.
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I take that she was just happy to see her and Marissa. Lucca falling for Maia would be the most random thing ever.
 
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So like... why and how was Diane wiretapped? That came out of nowhere and didn't really serve anything, except to set up a few scenes with Kurt that could've happened more naturally anyways.

For most of the season I thought they were going to have an arc where Diane is losing touch with reality, but apparently it's all just real instead. I like the arcs following Trump stuff, like the panel, but every time they go to pee tape stuff it just seems way too fantastical My main issue is none of that latter stuff can ever go anywhere, and is unrelated to everything else; it's just sorta there.
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Is... is Lucca falling for Maia, or am I just getting exceptionally fanfic-y about the way she ogled that BMW?
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That's the impression I got after the whole "be happy to see their car" bit, but it doesn't really make sense in terms of the characters involved.

I guess next season will reveal the truth.
 
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berzeli said:
Is... is Lucca falling for Maia, or am I just getting exceptionally fanfic-y about the way she ogled that BMW?

All-in-all that was a very enjoyable finale, some great swearing, some great humour, and that continuous escalation of drama that the show and its predecessor does so well. The Stormy Daniels/deepthroat scene (and joke) was superb shit.
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I got the impression that she's happier with friends than with a "man", because fuck heteronormativity and patriarchy.
 
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Sloane said:
Was wondering about that. Sure looked like it to me, then again Marissa was there, too. Think it can be taken either way although with her mother's speech in mind, I'm leaning towards Lucca having feelings for Maia. Would definitely prefer that over Colin / DC drama and keeping Lucca away from the firm for a few episodes next season.
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I took it the other way. Lucca wasn't sure about moving to Washington. When she saw her friends car, it was basically saying "stay". This season was never about her love life - it was about having a kid and where does she want to be?

(I do wonder if next season becomes the Lucca show, now that we've had Diane and Maia seasons.)
 
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I finished the season and I have to say I hope the pull back on some of the Trump stuff next season. It was way too much. I also felt the three female leads were just kind of "there" this season. I didn't like Lucca's story all that much, they didn't know what to do with Maia, and Diane's story got really wonky in the last episode. I enjoyed the season but I do hope they figure out some decent arcs to give the main ladies.
 

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firehawk12 said:
I got the impression that she's happier with friends than with a "man", because fuck heteronormativity and patriarchy.
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That definitely was part of it; she was happy to see both Maia and Marissa, and she never really wanted to be with Colin (long term) in the first place. But as one of the final moments of the season and in context of the car speech, it felt like a little more than that -- her not totally being in love with Colin wouldn't be much of a realization. I agree that it does seem a little random but it doesn't feel like it would contradict anything we know about Lucca. I'd buy it and, yeah, it could help with fixing Maia's reduced role and the DC stuff that wouldn't lead to anything anyway.

(I'm actually curious now if S3 will focus more on Lucca or if the switch from Maia to Diane as the protagonist was a one time thing.)

Also, since the NSA guys have been mentioned, it's weird but I actually kinda liked them, at least for the first two or three episodes, and I didn't really question the "realism" or the logic behind them back then. I'm not sure whether I'm being more criticial towards TGF than TGW for some reason, if the final two seasons of TGW have soured me a little on the writing, or if the NSA guys actually felt more earned (in regards to Peter / the campaign storylines) and less far-fetched than Diane carrying a vase around her office as some kind of signal.
 
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Shizuka said:
This is the season of missed storylines.
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Yeah, it is.

What I can't decide though is whether that's a bad thing? There wasn't any outright discontinuity, and the show was certainly fun to watch to watch, not to mention the smart social commentary they sprinkled in.

Y'know, I feel like people forget, The Good Wife was like this too up until the fifth season. The early seasons had lots of ongoing storylines, but some of them never went anywhere, always taking a backseat to whatever was blowing up in the moment. And while season 5 of TGW was fantastic, it was followed by two seasons that sucked, so on the whole, less serialization has worked better in this universe.

I'm not too bothered by Maia getting less attention. Let the writers use whoever makes sense. One big issue I had with The Good Wife is they always struggled to find a use for each character even when it wasn't appropriate for the story. (No campaign going on right now? Just give Eli Gold a consulting job at Lockheart & Gardner, because that definitely makes sense...)

I didn't have any issue with the focus on Trump. It actually felt like what the show needed, in a weird way. (The exception is the Pee Tape episode, which was just dumb.)

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Also, since the NSA guys have been mentioned, it's weird but I actually kinda liked them, at least for the first two or three episodes, and I didn't really question the "realism" or the logic behind them back then. I'm not sure whether I'm being more criticial towards TGF than TGW for some reason, if the final two seasons of TGW have soured me a little on the writing, or if the NSA guys actually felt more earned (in regards to Peter / the campaign storylines) and less far-fetched than Diane carrying a vase around her office as some kind of signal.
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I thought the NSA guys were great in Season 5. I remember they showed up again towards the end of the season after being absent from the story for a while, and I was super happy at the time.

Season 6 and 7 ruined them—but they also ruined everyone. Which is why we shouldn't speak of them.
 
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Mackaveli said:
Have you watched Damages with rose byrne and Glenn close ? One of my favourite shows.
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I loved Damages, though I got impatient with the final season and a little bored with the third (or whichever one where the chemical company was the season's case). The first season was an outstanding bit of TV.

(I *just* realized that's where I know the algorithm guy in the teacher/Luca's brother episode from!)

I haven't seen it on Netflix for awhile but it's on Amazon Prime.


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It feels a little surreal having them involved directly with the DNC
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...more surreal than the TGW episode that had Donna Brazile express interest in Peter's gubernatorial campaign?
 
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So, I've been rewatching the Good Wife, and in Season 6 (Episode 21, "Don't Fail"), Alicia decides to start her own firm (again) as she talks to Grace and rearranges her apartment. Now... the song that plays when Alicia decides this is The Good Fight's theme, only with more of a, like acoustic flavour. It also plays during that episode's credits sequence.

So, The Good Fight's Theme
And for the Good Wife, all I could find was this website where some folks are discussing it. You could hear it on Netflix or something pretty easily, but I can't find a clip of it out in the wild. It's all during the last five minutes of the ep.
Edit: It also plays at the begining of Ep 22! Ahhhh
Edit2: And at the beginning of Season 7 Episode 17!! How did I not recognise it at all...

I hope this blew y'all's minds the way it did mine.
 
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