Design Director at DICE made a great comment on Reddit about the backlash regarding the BFV reveal

good on them, these complaints are fucking ridiculous and hypocrite as hell considering what was put in the previous battlefield games! WW2 is overdone, lets put some crazy and variety in them, who cares, we'll have fun!

Yoko taro also made a comment about this in his own weird ways :

"Meanwhile, in Japan battleships are made into beautiful girls, warlords are made into pretty boys loving boys, schoolgirls ride tanks, and anything you want…"

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sure maybe not the greatest exemple since there's tons of wrong shit in japanese games, but he just wanted to point out that making crazy things isn't bad

Crossing Eden said:

Battlefield 1942 literally had jet packs.

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No. Jetpacks were a secret item that could be found in the expansion pack for the game. It was not Part of the marketing or featured promenetly. It was just a silly bonus thing like the flying car in rogue squadron. Also it was based on late war German experiments involving jetpacks.

Demogorgon said:

I could be wrong but weren't the first few battlefield games more historically accurate even in multiplayer? They only started to get over the top when they switched to the modern setting and had the bad company spinoffs.

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Yep. The nostalgia and the hype was very much real for the "new" 1942. Almost no matter how they present it, I would've bet on a giant backlash. There was no way that after BF4 and the rest, they could possibly make a game like 1942. I was a bit disappointed by the trailer, but also expected it a bit.

And then, there was BF1, which showed a grim side of the war, one that I personally would've liked a lot more. Especially after the Apocalypse trailer, which was the best trailer DICE put out in years.

Just like with BF3, which was met a similar backlash, it dies down after a while. They really must show multiplayer footage, because I think it would please most of the people who have problems.

I wasn't initially interested in getting the game but all the schadenfraude from the crybabies screaming "DICE pandering to feminists, SJWs, minorities, yadda yadda!" under the guise of "historical accuracy" convinced me to preorder the game.

I'd be fascinated to see had DICE pitched a modern or future shooter in this way. I think people would have been more accepting. I genuinely think a proportion of the backlash is due to the setting and people's past experience with mainline BF games and their tone.

I fully, fully support the devs in terms of inclusion of female soldiers. I also share the concern about how MP maps that simulate major conflicts from the war will play out with the customisation options they are introducing. What is the tone going to be? I think ultimately we have to wait for gameplay to see what this will look like.

Ethereal Ardor said:

I wasn't initially interested in getting the game but all the schadenfraude from the crybabies screaming "DICE pandering to feminists, SJWs, minorities, yadda yadda!" under the guise of "historical accuracy" convinced me to preorder the game.

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I hope you're just saying that to look cool. Buying a game just to spite people you don't know and won't even know you bought it for that reason is a dumb thing to do.

There is a problem with the criticism towards Battlefield V.

There are two camps that are overlapping unfortunately:

1) The ones that are hating to see Women in WW2
2) The ones that are hating the silly look they decided to present the game.

Right now, you are not able to criticize them for point two without being thrown in the same pile of garbage that is the critics of point 1.

For me, there has always been a suspension of disbelieve in Battlefield games. Of course you can do silly shit but it's always an hidden mechanic of the serious portrayal they give you.

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BF1 shipped with the ability to play as women in MP. Battlefield 1 released in 2016, The dlc where you could play as women:

released in September 2017, BF was unique in the sense that this was literally a first for the series. Think about that, 2017 for women to be playable. In a series that has been around since 2002.

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I fucking loved this. Look at this, a cool representation of women in a Battlefield game. Everything screems badass in this.

NeonStars said:

I'm out of the loop. So people are upset because there are women?

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They're definitely not upset about women being in the game. They're upset about immersion, and authenticity, and realism, and tone, and other non-specific things that definitely aren't just the idea that women are in the game. Also did you know that there was a female sniper who fought for Russia in WW2? They think it would be great if she specifically was in the game, instead of the women who are actually going to be in the game. The important thing is that the women who are in the game shouldn't be there, for valid reasons that aren't sexist.

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No. Jetpacks were a secret item that could be found in the expansion pack for the game. It was not Part of the marketing or featured promenetly. It was just a silly bonus thing like the flying car in rogue squadron. Also it was based on late war German experiments involving jetpacks.

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Yeah but having experimental weapons that never worked doesn't make it any more "historically accurate" if you actually feature them in the game actually working.

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All these also were in the game, none of them saw combat, they were only prototypes that all failed, only one flew and the last one killed it's pilot on it's first "flight".

Grailly said:

I hope you're just saying that to look cool. Buying a game just to spite people you don't know and won't even know you bought it for that reason is a dumb thing to do.

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No. Although I admit, it will make the game that much more enjoyable.

Demogorgon said:

No. Jetpacks were a secret item that could be found in the expansion pack for the game. It was not Part of the marketing or featured promenetly. It was just a silly bonus thing like the flying car in rogue squadron. Also it was based on late war German experiments involving jetpacks.

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The games were not billed as historically accurate simulators.

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Yeah but having experimental weapons that never worked doesn't make it any more "historically accurate" if you actually feature them in the game actually working.

All these also were in the game, none of them saw combat, they were only prototypes that all failed, only one flew and the last one killed it's pilot on it's first "flight".

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Also this. The only way one could consider older BF games historically accurate or authentic would be due to a lack of actual knowledge about history.

Ethereal Ardor said:

I wasn't initially interested in getting the game but all the schadenfraude from the crybabies screaming "DICE pandering to feminists, SJWs, minorities, yadda yadda!" under the guise of "historical accuracy" convinced me to preorder the game.

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So you are saying that you will buy a game that you are not intrested in just to get with the times and mock the 'crybabies'. It's what the cool kids do these days? Also if you just want to do it to suppot a femminist cause maybe do it and be humble about it. No one cares is the internet.

Not a personal questing and not trying to be a smartass but I really see this attitude by many people and just not get it...

greenpower22 said:

So you are saying that you will buy a game that you are not intrested in just to get with the times and get mock the 'crybabies'. It's what the cool kids do these days? Also if you just want to do it to suppot a femminist cause maybe do it and be humble about it. No one cares is the internet.

Not a personal questing and not trying to be a smartass but I really see this attitude by many people and just not get it...

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I'm sure that there are also way better games to buy if you want to support gender equality, but I'm sure Electronic "the worst company in the US" Arts will be happy to get socially aware money

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So you are saying that you will buy a game that you are not intrested in just to get with the times and get mock the 'crybabies'. It's what the cool kids do these days? Also if you just want to do it to suppot a femminist cause maybe do it and be humble about it. No one cares is the internet.

Not a personal questing and not trying to be a smartass but I really see this attitude by many people and just not get it...

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I support the feminist cause outside of this medium but this is a video game forum first and foremost. All of this ridiculous backlash over a bunch of interactive generated imagery...well, let's just say that a response in kind isn't too farfetched.

If you're worried about my enjoyment of the game, well don't. I've always enjoyed the Battlefield games for what it is and I'm sure it'll be just fine. I've spent money on worse things.

I purposely avoided all news on this until this point. Just watched the trailer and then proceeded to be ashamed at the YouTube comments.

What the fuck is this all about? Game looks fun to me. If people don't like how it plays then whatever, don't buy it. But I don't see the point in harping on tone or setting when it seems that all evidence points to DICE wanting to take the game in a slightly different direction and that's fine. Graphically it feels pretty in line with the other games as well.

I didnt like the trailer at all but that had nothing to do with there being female soldiers. I actually played ArmA3 recently and it feels weird when there are no woman in the game.(Not even civilians as far as I could tell)
Its more that at this point, they might as well just show a 2min slow motion explosion and call it a BF trailer.

Graphics are good I guess.

Thought the whole release-event was bad and boring and it all led up to a trailer I would expect from wolfenstein or some other alternative universe game and not from battlefield. I guess I just don't really like the "happy go lucky" marketing showing stuff like sliding with a lmg whil shooting down nazis, weird facepaint and katanas while still saying it's portraying ww3 and real history etc, feels like they want to have their cake and eat it too.

Of course his comment about his daughter and right side of history got downvoted to hell -192.

CaviarMeths said:

100%.

However, some people even on this site are aware that it's a bad look, so they've tried really hard to convince people that it's actually about "immersion" or "art direction" or "ethics in video game realism" or some other vague bullshit. They're lying.

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Considering BF1 had female soldiers in the dlc and received little backlash I'd say this oversimplifies things waaay too much.

As a military otaku, and longtime BF fan, I think it's great that we'll be able to finally customize a raifu and a waifu at the same time. Anybody else who is a longtime fan of the series must surely realize the "historical accuracy" arguments are nothing but a smokescreen for other insidious bullshit.

That said, my hate for BFV largely stems from the setting however. I hated BF1 it felt very suffocating with a very specific META, and so few guns/attachments, and absolutely shit vehicles. The tanks sucked, the transports sucked, and no helicopters! I'm not convinced BFV will be too different in these regards but I do hope for something that is fun in the end.

I'll probably end up getting it on PC for "muh graphics" tbh, whether it keeps me around or not for the MP... DICE pls, that's on you. (Please have good tanks at least?)

I wonder if the "dont lump me with sexists" crowd feel the same way about the skins they use in bf1?
Or the same way about dice having the damn hellreigel in the base game?
I didn't see people say shit about that yet now your undies are in a twist?
Sounds and smells like BS too me.

Also this is just my questions with out getting into the premium pass vs skins argument.

They are pushing uniqueness and skins cause they need a way too make money since they are not doing season or premium passes.
They will keep the player base together and still make money.
In fact I'd hazard to say that people complaining aren't part of BF playerbase.
We have wanted them keeping the player Base large for the longest time.

If you people ask me if they should have skins or premium passes I know what I want.

It's about integrity in customization.

Sloth Guevara said:

I wonder if the "dont lump me with sexists" crowd feel the same way about the skins they use in bf1?
Or the same way about dice having the damn hellreigel in the base game?
I didn't see people say shit about that yet now your undies are in a twist?
Sounds and smells like BS too me.

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People were complaining like crazy on /r/battlefield about automatic weapons in BF1. What are you on about?

I think those ''#NotMyBattlefield'' people overreacted, this is DICE's vision for their new game, you don't have to agree with DICE and you don't have to buy the game. There're lots of realistic and authentic WWII shooters that's coming out, such as Hell Let Loose and Post Scriptum.

It's just weird to see ''fans'' demanding DICE to change the game to align with their own political viewpoint, which is ''All WWII game must be historical accurate, allowing playable female soldiers in countries that's not Russia should not be allowed since it conflicts with actual history. Unrealistic player choice = SJW cancer.''

I don't see people boycotting BF1 just because the German Scout is black, sure they bitch a lot about it but in the end of the day I don't see it ruining the experience for them, in BFV they are making it a player choice, so you'll never have to play as a black dude or a women if you don't want to, how is that a bad thing?

What I'm saying is, like it or not this is the new Battlefield, they are not gonna remove the women, that would be literal PR nightmare, so that means no amount of disliking and complaining will get you the Battlefield V you wanted, which means maybe you should just clam down and accept the reality that this is the BFV you'll be getting, or not getting.

Sorry but you can't always get what you want, some players are going to play as women in BFV, deal with it, if you really don't like that then I guess you can just leave the server as soon as you saw female soldiers in it, or maybe just rent a private server and make it ''male only''.

Demogorgon said:

No. Jetpacks were a secret item that could be found in the expansion pack for the game. It was not Part of the marketing or featured promenetly. It was just a silly bonus thing like the flying car in rogue squadron. Also it was based on late war German experiments involving jetpacks.

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So what you're saying is that there were jet packs in Battlefield

greenpower22 said:

So you are saying that you will buy a game that you are not intrested in just to get with the times and mock the 'crybabies'. It's what the cool kids do these days? Also if you just want to do it to suppot a femminist cause maybe do it and be humble about it. No one cares is the internet.

Not a personal questing and not trying to be a smartass but I really see this attitude by many people and just not get it...

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No one cares huh? You seem to care enough to lecture him. I really don't understand kids these days trying to tell others what they should or should not do with their money.

People are free to do whatever they want with their money, and those so called '' cry babies'' aren't just that, we long ignored gamergate, Alt right and the incels, and it got us to them harassing and murdering women.

Not all but most of the backslash is coming from those same scums, and just like ''ethics in gaming'' it became ''ethics in history '' though they didn't even bother research the said history. My grandma's sister fought during the war, so anyone trying to dismiss what she other women have done can shut the up already.

So if anyone at all buy the game not even to play it but as a front against those hate groups, then they not only have the right to do so for the sake of it but also be vocal about it, let's face it, those hate groups are sure as hell not gonna shy away from being vocal.

So unlike you I'm glad Ethereal Ardor decided to let us know that he may be buying the game to spite those lowlife scums. And when my budget allows it I will just do that.

How about complaining about all the other unrealistic stuff in a Battlefield game instead of this

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People were complaining like crazy on /r/battlefield about automatic weapons in BF1. What are you on about?

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I didn't hear much about it.
Nor was the reveal video unliked to the same degree.

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Thought the whole release-event was bad and boring and it all led up to a trailer I would expect from wolfenstein or some other alternative universe game and not from battlefield. I guess I just don't really like the "happy go lucky" marketing showing stuff like sliding with a lmg whil shooting down nazis, weird facepaint and katanas while still saying it's portraying ww3 and real history etc, feels like they want to have their cake and eat it too.

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So?

I don't see why a first person shooter has to be either 100 percent realistic or complete fantasy.

"It's not hate that I fear. It's apathy."
And with a good reason sonce that's what I feel after how similar to the Battlefront route BF1 went. And this trailer didn't convince me that BFV will do otherwise.

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They're definitely not upset about women being in the game. They're upset about immersion, and authenticity, and realism, and tone, and other non-specific things that definitely aren't just the idea that women are in the game. Also did you know that there was a female sniper who fought for Russia in WW2? They think it would be great if she specifically was in the game, instead of the women who are actually going to be in the game. The important thing is that the women who are in the game shouldn't be there, for valid reasons that aren't sexist.

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This is honestly what I have seen as well. Obviously there are the idiots saying hur dur no women but the vast vast majority of complaints dealing with women are that it's not realistic to have a woman on the front lines guns blazing on the British side. Most if not all responses are responding to an argument very few people are making.

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BF1 shipped with the ability to play as women in MP. Battlefield 1 released in 2016, The dlc where you could play as women:

released in September 2017, BF was unique in the sense that this was literally a first for the series. Think about that, 2017 for women to be playable. In a series that has been around since 2002.

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Truth be told, this is what I had hoped for. Also, in Battlefield 1 (I actually ordered it again for Xbox, because I don't have access to my PC and V got me hyped) I believe you can only pick female characters for certain factions, no? The thing is that the woman in the V trailer looks more or less like a Fortnite or PubG character rather than something like the above.

Reddit and YouTube right now

Bernd Lauert said:

I'm in the apathetic crowd, I neither upvoted nor downvoted the trailer. Not interested in the game because of the unrealistic direction it's taking. They could've implemented female soldiers in a historically accurate way, there's plenty of scenarios to choose from. The "right side of history" part of the comment also comes off as a bit self-righteous.

Still, all we have is one trailer, maybe things will turn out fine after all.

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You're posting about it, you're not in the apathetic crowd.

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Wildlands has customization and females. I don't get the backlash for this one...

They do know women are in the armed forces now, right?

I'm old enough that I spent the majority of my gaming life playing as a male character - because that was the only option. I grew up feeling a bit like an imposter - gaming was something for men that as a female, I was almost gatecrashing a party I wasn't invited to, where no one wanted me. It's only since I was an adult that games even began to have the option of playing as a female, never mind an actual female protagonist - and it is AWESOME!

I don't give a shit about any ridiculous "historical accuracy" arguments - it's a game, not a documentary, where people have fun playing through levels based on a world war, and if a new generation of girls interested in games can look at it and feel like there IS a place for them to join in, that is a wonderful thing. Good on Dice, good on everyone supporting it, and shame on anyone hiding their toxic sexism behind silly arguments.

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No one cares huh? You seem to care enough to lecture him. I really don't understand kids these days trying to tell others what they should or should not do with their money.

People are free to do whatever they want with their money, and those so called '' cry babies'' aren't just that, we long ignored gamergate, Alt right and the incels, and it got us to them harassing and murdering women.

Not all but most of the backslash is coming from those same scums, and just like ''ethics in gaming'' it became ''ethics in history '' though they didn't even bother research the said history. My grandma's sister fought during the war, so anyone trying to dismiss what she other women have done can shut the up already.

So if anyone at all buy the game not even to play it but as a front against those hate groups, then they not only have the right to do so for the sake of it but also be vocal about it, let's face it, those hate groups are sure as hell not gonna shy away from being vocal.

So unlike you I'm glad Ethereal Ardor decided to let us know that he may be buying the game to spite those lowlife scums. And when my budget allows it I will just do that.

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I never dictated what one should or shouldn't buy with their money.

Also you make some grand assumptions thinking that all those that disliked Battlefiled V trailer are all gamergators, alt rights and incels. There are other people that have valid criticism with it that has nothing to to with the SJW agenda and are pure gameplay reasons. Yet you chose to ignore all of this and make this situation black and white. If they are not with us they are agaist us. You also go as far to call other people 'lowlife scums' and at the same time call them out for harassing? You do the same thing. Other members in this thread said that the world would be better without them. Even if that were true you are ignoring human rights and equality itself! Can't we stay civil in 2018? Even if you have alll the right in world to be pissed off about certain people there is a difference between free speach and hate speach.

MWorldII said:

But it isn't a fight because of female soldiers, it's because of "silly customization".
Personally, i'm okay with it, but it really became annoying how BFV developers trying to chance a subject to "people hating the game because there're women now" and it isn't the case.

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Yeah fucking right. Anyone remotely outraged at this hasn't fucking played Battlefield at all.

Imagine if BC came out now as Battlefield 5. Do you think there would be a similar level of outrage? (Only if they included women apparently)

Same fucking comments almost crtl c + crtl v from the "Why are there BLACK soldiers in my videogame" stuff in IV. Just gender instead of race this time. So sick of this shit.


Watch someone compare this situation to the Ghostbusters movie LOL.

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Wildlands has customization and females. I don't get the backlash for this one...

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You understand BFV is set in WW2, right?

Kain-Nosgoth said:

good on them, these complaints are fucking ridiculous and hypocrite as hell considering what was put in the previous battlefield games! WW2 is overdone, lets put some crazy and variety in them, who cares, we'll have fun!

Yoko taro also made a comment about this in his own weird ways :



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This post has reminded me exactly what my emblem should be

I love the inclusion of women in BF1/V and applaud Dice for doing it. The "muh historical accuracy" crowd can go suck a lemon for all I care; women played a massive role (including in combat) in resistance movements in countries such as France or Italy during WWII. Women also fulfilled a number of important roles in the British war effort (e.g. medical support, supply lines). I don't think it's that difficult to imagine a woman somehow getting caught up in a skirmish. They make up half the people on the planet; they're literally everywhere.

I found the BFV trailer to be a little cartoonish and silly, but a woman being in it sure as hell wasn't a problem for me and I applaud Dice for sticking to their guns (pun unintended).

But games aren't art! Let's attack this person for being too nice!

Hilarious_Bearious said:

I love the inclusion of women in BF1/V and applaud Dice for doing it. The "muh historical accuracy" crowd can go suck a lemon for all I care; women played a massive role (including in combat) in resistance movements in countries such as France or Italy during WWII. Women also fulfilled a number of important roles in the British war effort (e.g. medical support, supply lines). I don't think it's that difficult to imagine a woman somehow getting caught up in a skirmish. They make up half the people on the planet; they're literally everywhere.

I found the BFV trailer to be a little cartoonish and silly, but a woman being in it sure as hell wasn't a problem for me and I applaud Dice for sticking to their guns (pun unintended).

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For me it was the same, the only thing that really bothered me was the cartoonish art

Sometimes i wonder how do you people spend the time saved not writing the extended game name in the title and in the post

The most shocking thing in all this buzz for me is some guys saying "historically there are no female in WW2"... I mean c'mon.

Consider any downvote I give a middle finger after the bullshit that was Battlefront 2.

EA/DICE won't get my money ever again. But hey, that's better than apathy, right?

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You understand that there are women who fought during WW2 right? THAT FACT IS ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THEIR INCLUSION. Period. Fucking deal with it.

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You understand that there are women who fought during WW2 right? THAT FACT IS ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY THEIR INCLUSION. Period. Fucking deal with it.

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Calm down, dumbass. I don't have a problem with that. Using modern military policies to justify inclusion in a WW2 game just didnt make any sense, that's all I was pointing out. Fuckin Christ, go take your meds already.