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Oct 28, 2017
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I wish people would stop with the "I find it hard to believe" bullshit. As if you know these people based on their acting.

Fuck you Freeman.
 

Deleted member 8257

Oct 26, 2017
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I read the story. Alan Arkin told him to cut it out? I wish he was more forceful than that.
 

Froli

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tom Hanks, Keanu Reeves, Hugh Jackman, Terry Cruise.. there are probably more that really are good guys. Maybe 20 percent of all this actors are very good decent people.

The rest seems to have a history of sexual harassment, maybe some has change through the years trying to better themselves...but to those who have a record of this behavior through the years, they really deserve to be exposed and be condemned.
 

Scarecrow

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
3,523
And I just watched Starry Eyes last night.

Hollywood's always been lousy with this behavior. Mix power, desperation, ambition and a few other choice ingredients and the stew will always be disgusting.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Morgan Freeman has issued an apology for making women feel "uneasy," following a CNN report in which eight women alleged that he sexually harassed them or made inappropriate remarks.

"Anyone who knows me or has worked with me knows I am not someone who would intentionally offend or knowingly make anyone feel uneasy," Freeman said in a statement obtained by Variety. "I apologize to anyone who felt uncomfortable or disrespected — that was never my intent."
http://variety.com/2018/film/news/morgan-freeman-apologizes-sexual-harassment-1202821000/
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Maybe it's a good idea if we don't condemn him right away though, just saying. I'm gonna read up on this and hopefully it's not true.
 
Can't really get behind his apology though. Sorry if you felt that way is just dumb. I want to assume good faith and assume these 16 people have legitimate concerns, so you can't just pass it off like that. Let the judge get into the details on this, that way Freeman will be forced to come up with some sound reasoning than a softy attempt at apology. Don't abuse your star power Freeman when you get accused. Battle it out in court if you feel 16 people have it wrong.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Why do people act all surprise?

Money+Power=mostly an asshole.

Gonna have to disagree with you there. Of course we can never truly know unless we know the person personally ourselves but I am willing to bet that tons of powerful and rich people are good souls, wellmeaning human beings. I'm gonna say Bill Gates, I truly believe he's a good guy. Hugh Jackman, Chris Pratt, Keanu Reeves and so on.

WEEE are not doing / can't do anything concerning this outside of react. No one is being condemned by "us".

Maybe I used the wrong wording. I meant jumping to conclusions by saying "fuck this guy, he's disgusting ". I always say ,do some research first and mostly just wait and see.
 

SmarmySmurf

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Nov 5, 2017
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These replies are always garbage. Right behind "I bet x is next"
Comes off as a poorly timed back pat.

Sorry not sorry that I pay attention to the news better than you two. And "Eduardo", maybe read the rest of the topic before making an ass of yourself. I made an entire post calling out the attitude you're projecting onto my comment. Freeman has a history. I and others here obviously knew this already. Now you both do as well. Don't be trolls about it, it isn't a competition and my comment didn't even try to make it one, that's on you two.
 

Nathan_Drake

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Nov 6, 2017
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I wish people would stop with the "I find it hard to believe" bullshit. As if you know these people based on their acting.

Fuck you Freeman.
Yeah there is a very strong defense force out on this one. I tried to provide articles to people and they just weren't having it. All Def Digital Comments section on Facebook is just an echo chamber of denial. Even with witnesses, a short video, and his apology it's not enough.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Sorry not sorry that I pay attention to the news better than you two. And "Eduardo", maybe read the rest of the topic before making an ass of yourself. I made an entire post calling out the attitude you're projecting onto my comment. Freeman has a history. I and others here obviously knew this already. Now you both do as well. Don't be trolls about it, it isn't a competition and my comment didn't even try to make it one, that's on you two.
I didn't go after you, I answered someone else's question about why certain comments rub people the wrong way. You're also patting yourself on the back while calling me a troll that's not as aware as other people because I called something a bat pack. I'm aware of Freeman's history.
 

SmarmySmurf

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Nov 5, 2017
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I didn't go after you, I answered someone else's question about why certain comments rub people the wrong way. You're also patting yourself on the back while calling me a troll that's not as aware as other people because I called something a bat pack. I'm aware of Freeman's history.

At no point did I "pat myself on the back". Acknowledging knowing something is not back patting.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
Yeah there is a very strong defense force out on this one. I tried to provide articles to people and they just weren't having it. All Def Digital Comments section on Facebook is just an echo chamber of denial. Even with witnesses, a short video, and his apology it's not enough.
They've been calling the man God for over a decade so this might take a minute for them to accept it.

And then there's that section of black people who feel like we're now being targeted.

It's disappointing, but we'll see where they're at on this in a month.
 

SmarmySmurf

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Nov 5, 2017
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Nothing at all condescending about "not sorry I pay more attention to the news than both of you, but I'm glad you now know this thing I already knew. "

That was a response to two people, yourself included, having a go at me. Which you clearly were and still are despite your denial. If you feel condescended to, thats on you and your continued projecting.
 
Oct 25, 2017
26,560
That was a response to two people, yourself included, having a go at me. Which you clearly were and still are despite your denial. If you feel condescended to, thats on you and your continued projecting.
If I wanted to have a go at you, I would've quoted you. I was answering someone else's question about a type of response and you opted to jump in front of the shrapnel. Either let it go or tell me more about how much more you know.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'll wait and see like every time.

But he allegedly tried lifting a woman's skirt while asking whether or not she's wearing underwear in a work environment? If true then that's too damn disappointing :(
 

Weasel

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have blocked out so many movies because of the horrible shit actors/directors have done.

All those amazing Mel Gibson movies.

All the Franco movies.

All the Kevin Spacey movies and shows.

The Cosby Shows.

Now I gotta block out Morgan Freeman movies? The Batmans? Shawshanks? The ____ Almighties? The Sevens?



/depressed.


There are no good guys anymore.

There is only pending disappointment. I'm just waiting for one of my all-time favorite Star Wars' actors/directors/whatever to have shit coming out one day to put the final nail in the coffin of my geek-culture altar.
I'd prepare myself to ditch the film medium completely with this logic.
 

Da-Kid

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Apr 3, 2018
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User Banned (Permanent): Sexism, victim blaming, account still in the junior phase.
I'm starting to wonder what Sexual Misconduct is in America. Because remember, this is America.

Now hear me out. I know there's a lot of legitimate claims of sexual harassment, and sexual assault. Especially when it comes to men committing it. But let's also be honest. The game men and women play is very confusing and even sometimes twisted up.

Let me turn my attention to women. Ladies, you guys play too many games. Period. You have this notorious knack of saying no when you really mean "Yes, keep trying." A lot of women find persistence attractive. You will put on a performance to say no when you're actually saying YES or Maybe. We men know this game and we keep trying as hard as possible until you give up and say YES. Finally, the chase you wanted has ended at your command.

Let's be clear. Women, you're the ones orchestrating, prolonging and controlling this chase the entire time. That's the game. I know this happens with men too but it is more common with women. That's why I'm only addressing you here for the most part.

Now this isn't necessarily a bad with persistence and letting someone you're mildly or completely interested in being able to shoot their shot more than once. But it can be confusing also. It trains other men to be persistent in situations where the woman actually means NO. And that's when we cross into sexual harassment.

Now I know what you're thinking. "People know/should know when your No means No." and some do, some pick up on that Immediately. But some have played this game of cat and mouse between the two so many times, with success, that (I believe) they can't honestly tell the difference. I'm not saying in all cases, some people are just creeps or just don't like No and trying to force it. But I do feel for a significant part of the issue, it is the case.

I think that for those situations, and all where you indeed mean NO. You should be as direct as possible and do it in a serious matter. Don't do it playfully, don't do it ambiguously. Be crystal clear as if you are explaining yourself to your boss or a judge.

This is in no way me saying women are the problem. This is me saying this game men and women play could potentially be where a large part of the problem lies.
 

Da-Kid

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Apr 3, 2018
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You just wrote a wall of text saying women are the problem.
No, I clearly stated that it happens on the side of men and women multiple times. I stated though, that one side plays a role more than the other. But at the same time I acknowledge the roles that are played during the game.

I made it clear the game is the problem because it can cause confusion. You read what you wanted to read.
 

ElectricBlanketFire

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Oct 25, 2017
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No, I clearly stated that it happens on the side of men and women multiple times. I stated though that one was greater than the other. But at the same time I acknowledge the roles that are played during the game.

I made it clear the game is the problem.
You said, "Ladies, you guys play too many games, period."

You think women are being sexually harassed because they play too many games. There is no game. This isn't The Pickup Artist.
 

Da-Kid

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Apr 3, 2018
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You said, "Ladies, you guys play too many games, period."

You think women are being sexually harassed because they play too many games. There is no game. This isn't The Pickup Artist.
When I say too many games I mean the game of chasing is played too much without just being direct. Someone is always chasing even when the women isn't interested they sometimes like someone chasing them. Yes this happens with men too.

I said I think a lot of sexual harassment comes from confusion from men and women costantly playing this game. I said I feel it's a part of the issue. I did not say it is the main cause or only reason and/or it's all just people being confused or a misunderstanding.

I made it clear that some people don't like no and can be creeps.
 
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Let me turn my attention to women. Ladies, you guys play too many games. Period. You have this notorious knack of saying no when you really mean "Yes, keep trying." A lot of women find persistence attractive. You will put on a performance to say no when you're actually saying YES or Maybe. We men know this game and we keep trying as hard as possible until you give up and say YES. Finally, the chase you wanted has ended at your command.

Let's be clear. Women, you're the ones orchestrating, prolonging and controlling this chase the entire time. That's the game. I know this happens with men too but it is more common with women. That's why I'm only addressing you here for the most part.
None of this is true. Period. It's just sexist stereotypes and myths. Refuse to even entertain this nonsense. "Women" don't do shit, "women" don't orchestrate, prolong, or control, shit, or any of this. Individuals may. "Women" don't. None of this is true. There is no "game." Ain't going to even beat around the bush here. Every single one of those are sexist myths and nothing more. Get out.

Like, I'll try my hardest here to be nice and polite about this and assume the best for a moment here and say you may not realize how you're coming off and what you're saying here, but whatever your intentions, saying "ladies do this" "women do that" makes it sound like it's something inherent to women or that a majority of women do this or that, regardless of if you mean that or not. And that is definitely not true. It's not inherent to women. It's not a majority of women. It's not any of that. So why phrase it as "ladies do this" "women do that"? "Women" don't do shit, and phrasing it that way, regardless of if you personally mean it that way or not, nonetheless perpetuates the myths that these are traits inherent to women or that a majority of women act that way.

And if you realize that, that it's just individuals, that it's nowhere close to a majority or anything like that, why use such authoritative and definitive language though, as if it were otherwise and "women" do those things instead of individuals? That is, why address all women, when, for the women that do act in those fashions, it has nothing to actually do with them being women whatsoever? Why phrase it in a way that does and address all women then?

Not that it mattes though, since what's this even have to do with anything anyway? Why even go there? What's this have to do with the accusations against Morgan Freeman or the topic of the thread at all, in any way? Do you think these particular women are just "playing games" with Freeman and are trying to imply they're at fault, despite saying otherwise? If, as you claim though, you're not, and in no way mean to say that women are the problem at all, why even bring this up? What does this have to do with this particular topic, or Morgan Freeman, whatsoever? Why discuss this here of all places, instead of the accusations themselves? What does it have to do with ANYTHING at all? It's completely out of place.

Just get out of here, with all of this, please.
 
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Deepthought_

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May 15, 2018
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You have seen the CNN report, right?



It contains video evidence as well.


I wonder In light of those 2 video clips of Morgan Freeman's sexual harassment what will happen to him

Maybe he will be prosecuted or blackballed , the video evidence doesn't look good for him. Thankfully we have video evidence in today's world to show the truth.
 

Dyno

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
13,338
I'm starting to wonder what Sexual Misconduct is in America. Because remember, this is America.

Now hear me out. I know there's a lot of legitimate claims of sexual harassment, and sexual assault. Especially when it comes to men committing it. But let's also be honest. The game men and women play is very confusing and even sometimes twisted up.

Let me turn my attention to women. Ladies, you guys play too many games. Period. You have this notorious knack of saying no when you really mean "Yes, keep trying." A lot of women find persistence attractive. You will put on a performance to say no when you're actually saying YES or Maybe. We men know this game and we keep trying as hard as possible until you give up and say YES. Finally, the chase you wanted has ended at your command.

Let's be clear. Women, you're the ones orchestrating, prolonging and controlling this chase the entire time. That's the game. I know this happens with men too but it is more common with women. That's why I'm only addressing you here for the most part.

Now this isn't necessarily a bad with persistence and letting someone you're mildly or completely interested in being able to shoot their shot more than once. But it can be confusing also. It trains other men to be persistent in situations where the woman actually means NO. And that's when we cross into sexual harassment.

Now I know what you're thinking. "People know/should know when your No means No." and some do, some pick up on that Immediately. But some have played this game of cat and mouse between the two so many times, with success, that (I believe) they can't honestly tell the difference. I'm not saying in all cases, some people are just creeps or just don't like No and trying to force it. But I do feel for a significant part of the issue, it is the case.

I think that for those situations, and all where you indeed mean NO. You should be as direct as possible and do it in a serious matter. Don't do it playfully, don't do it ambiguously. Be crystal clear as if you are explaining yourself to your boss or a judge.

This is in no way me saying women are the problem. This is me saying this game men and women play could potentially be where a large part of the problem lies.

Is this incel bullshit? Cause it reads like it and anyone with a bare minimum grasp on social interaction can actually pick up on these cues.
 

T'Chakku

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm starting to wonder what Sexual Misconduct is in America. Because remember, this is America.

Now hear me out. I know there's a lot of legitimate claims of sexual harassment, and sexual assault. Especially when it comes to men committing it. But let's also be honest. The game men and women play is very confusing and even sometimes twisted up.

Let me turn my attention to women. Ladies, you guys play too many games. Period. You have this notorious knack of saying no when you really mean "Yes, keep trying." A lot of women find persistence attractive. You will put on a performance to say no when you're actually saying YES or Maybe. We men know this game and we keep trying as hard as possible until you give up and say YES. Finally, the chase you wanted has ended at your command.

Let's be clear. Women, you're the ones orchestrating, prolonging and controlling this chase the entire time. That's the game. I know this happens with men too but it is more common with women. That's why I'm only addressing you here for the most part.

Now this isn't necessarily a bad with persistence and letting someone you're mildly or completely interested in being able to shoot their shot more than once. But it can be confusing also. It trains other men to be persistent in situations where the woman actually means NO. And that's when we cross into sexual harassment.

Now I know what you're thinking. "People know/should know when your No means No." and some do, some pick up on that Immediately. But some have played this game of cat and mouse between the two so many times, with success, that (I believe) they can't honestly tell the difference. I'm not saying in all cases, some people are just creeps or just don't like No and trying to force it. But I do feel for a significant part of the issue, it is the case.

I think that for those situations, and all where you indeed mean NO. You should be as direct as possible and do it in a serious matter. Don't do it playfully, don't do it ambiguously. Be crystal clear as if you are explaining yourself to your boss or a judge.

This is in no way me saying women are the problem. This is me saying this game men and women play could potentially be where a large part of the problem lies.
You are a piece of shit.
 

MasterYoshi

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Oct 27, 2017
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Pretty gross seeing some of the reactions to this on my Facebook. A lot of people defending him or refusing to believe eight women.
 
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