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peppermints

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Hey Bud just remember that out of the box settings are not horrendous on these sets. Control the ambient light in the room, and don't lose true black thinking you are crushing details. That infinite contrast ratio creates the pop.

Also have two presets for daytime and night time viewing which you can switch on the fly.

Personally I like gamma 2.4 (which is closer to 2.2 according to calibration tests) for a dark room.

Also OLED light, the higher it is the more ABL will activate and posterization on SDR content. Personally 40 for a dark room or lower and no higher than 65 in a bright room. HDR is different so expect light and contrast to be at 100.

After all my tweaking I only deviated slightly from brightness 50 (most important setting) by 2 or 3 points either way depending on mode, gamma and environmental lightning.

I know it is easier said than done but for first few days enjoy the TV... you need a couple 100 hours under your belt before you can really tweak the panel.

Hope that helps a little.

That does help. What is ABL?

My plan is to just leave things as they are based on presets and enjoy it for now. The one thing I did change was turning off energy saver as I read that is really a detriment to the true potential of this TV.

Also, the TV is very wobbly on the stand. Is that normal? My suspicion is it is because of how thin it is. But it still makes me nervous lol. Maybe I'll get an anti tip bracket.
 

Manac0r

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That does help. What is ABL?

My plan is to just leave things as they are based on presets and enjoy it for now. The one thing I did change was turning off energy saver as I read that is really a detriment to the true potential of this TV.

Also, the TV is very wobbly on the stand. Is that normal? My suspicion is it is because of how thin it is. But it still makes me nervous lol. Maybe I'll get an anti tip bracket.

ABL is automatic brightness limiter. TV will drop lumanice based on the scene.. for instance an all white background will cause TV to decrease brightness automatically. This is good for the TV but you don't want it to happen unnecessarily.

Yea get rid of energy saver for sure and look at the Rtings settings as a starting point. Certainly helps.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/b7-b7a-oled/settings

Glad you happy with the TV. What you see cannot be unseen.

Enjoy!!!
 

Phoenix Down

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£400 As he will have to travel down to London (he's based in Manchester).

I mean at that price your paying for the experience.. crack a few beers.. gossip about a few other sites...maybe a photo for the scrap book?? You know make a day out of it.

Yeah.... I live in Cambridge so I understand the price point but damn
 

Lakeside

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That does help. What is ABL?

My plan is to just leave things as they are based on presets and enjoy it for now. The one thing I did change was turning off energy saver as I read that is really a detriment to the true potential of this TV.

Also, the TV is very wobbly on the stand. Is that normal? My suspicion is it is because of how thin it is. But it still makes me nervous lol. Maybe I'll get an anti tip bracket.

Better to start with some community recommended settings and tweak from there. You mention wasted potential with energy saver, but it's the same with everything else too.
 

Wingfan19

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You need to set your PS4 to limited if using Black Level Low on your TV. I find auto is unreliable. I set to limited and use BL low.

That can't be the issue though since you've changed black level.
Ok, I will try that, thanks.

Yep, so much of last week's episode was at night I stopped it and tried to fiddle for 30 minutes. It's impossible to raise the detail without "greying" your blacks. And when you do get a bit more detail, there's all kinds of noise and artifacts in the picture.

This was discussed here (or, at the old place "here") heavily last year when the most recent season of GoT was airing. A bunch of us compared notes and arrived at it looking frustratingly bad, regardless of app and source device.

You may be able to tweak some small things but it's honestly a real letdown, considering the output from Netflix with stuff like Altered Carbon and prime with stuff like the Grand Tour.

If new GoT airs next year and it's not in 4K/HDR (esp with S1 out on UHD disc in June), disappointed will be an understatement...
Good to know it's not just me... Thought I was going crazy. I played God of War on my Pro in HDR and it looked great, but even in dark areas I never had anything completely blacked out, there was always a little bit of detail in the black areas. I'm going to have to test this with some Blu-Rays that aren't HDR as well.
 

Joule

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Interesting information from Display Week
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On one wall, there was a 65″ Vizio P-Series Quantum, seen in the photo above, which is a P-Series with QDEF that should be shipping this summer. (Some say it's an update of the Reference Series, which also used QDEF.) It was playing an internal demo loop in store-demo mode—in other words, in vivid mode!

With 192 FALD zones, the P-Series Quantum is said to achieve a peak brightness of over 2000 nits and over 98% of the DCI-P3 color gamut. Amazingly, the 65-incher will carry a list price of only $2200! Of course, vivid mode was more like a cartoon, but I can't wait to see what it can do after being fully calibrated in a more controlled environment.
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On another wall, there was an LG OLED next to a Samsung Q9F. Both were 65″ screens in their out-of-the-box movie/cinema mode playing the same content. The Q9F uses QDEF in a full-array local-dimming (FALD) configuration, and as you might imagine, it was a lot brighter than the OLED.

It confirmed that to us now that the Q9FN is still using QDEF just like this new Vizio. Previously I thought it might've been QDOG around the time of all the secrecy during CES. On the Vizio.... I'm excited to see how this TV fares. That's an awesome price for such an awesome sounding TV.

Which means we are likely going to see QDOG concepts and maybe consumer products at IFA. Although I expect 2019 LCD flagships to have QDOG. Samsung is said to have a demo with this tech at Display Week and Scott will be doing a separate article on it soon! Exciting! It'll be the first time we see a TV using QDOG. I'm interested in what was shown and what Scott has to say about the Samsung Display demo with QDOG.

Nanosys was demonstrating QDCFR and QDEL applications is highly prototype form at Display Week 2018. (Samsung Display had a QDOG TV in its booth, which I will discuss in a separate article.)

QDCFR and QDEL prototypes already being shown is awesome news too.

EDIT: Forgot to post source: http://www.avsforum.com/nanosys-quantum-dots-display-week-2018/
 

RedlineRonin

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Lazy TV manufacturers strike again! Just give us holographic tech already, dipsticks!

:( that post legit made me sad. So pessimistic.

Totally. It's practically refutable line by line.

And it is EXACTLY the tv equivalent of "lazy devs." The amount of people who play armchair business exec without even a modicum of appreciation for how these industries work, or even more broadly, even bothered to take an entry fucking level economics class in undergrad is endlessly frustrating.

And that's entirely setting aside the "let me walk into an enthusiast thread and just arbitrarily shit on everything. See ya later!"

S tier garbage post.
 

Bumrush

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Totally. It's practically refutable line by line.

And it is EXACTLY the tv equivalent of "lazy devs." The amount of people who play armchair business exec without even a modicum of appreciation for how these industries work, or even more broadly, even bothered to take an entry fucking level economics class in undergrad is endlessly frustrating.

And that's entirely setting aside the "let me walk into an enthusiast thread and just arbitrarily shit on everything. See ya later!"

S tier garbage post.

This, it's just strange when mLED isn't viable today.

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Chamber

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A Few Good Men is now 4K/DV on iTunes. I waited weeks for that to switch over and decided this past Tuesday to just go buy the disc. Sons of bitches...
 

Me_Marcadet

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Got a really strange issue on the C7. First time it happens. I can't get surround sound either from the internal speaker or through optical...
Tested several sources and app. Tried to reboot the TV and it didn't fix it. It's like it can't detect Dolby surround anymore, I have only two channels output. When I have a 5.1 surround sound playing, there's only two channel outputting sound. It's really weird. Another thing is that I can't switch the surround toggle with the quick setting menu, it makes me think it's a software issue with the TV.

I hope à factory reset or firmware update will fix the issue. Is it safe to unplug the TV from the wall socket?

Edit: don't know if safe, but it fixed the issue.
 

Benji

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Is there still no ETA on any reviews for the 2018 Vizio P Series?

The 65 inch for $1300 looks awfully appealing especially as its over 1000 nits. But I've been waiting and I haven't even seen anywhere mention when the 2018 Vizios are going to get reviewed
 

oufwid

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Hi Era,

Here in the Philippines, the best deal I can find is either the Sony A1 65 or the LG C7, for the same price, 2500€ (quite pricey but there is not many options). Which one would you suggest?
 

oufwid

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I am really torn between both. The image seems slightly better on the A1, but the A1 screen is a bit tilted... I don't know which one to choose
 

DangerMouse

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I am really torn between both. The image seems slightly better on the A1, but the A1 screen is a bit tilted... I don't know which one to choose
Some just seeing the design say they think they might if they were to get one, but IMO you won't notice the slight tilt when the TV is on at all having watched a lot of stuff on it.
 
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DOTDASHDOT

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I bought the A1 65. Hope I made the right call. Freaking expensive !

Nice! People say upscaling is the reason to go Sony, but quite honestly I think the upscaling qualities, are very similar across all major brands, and the main advantage for you, is smooth gradation, this is what Sony do best, and the one thing I'd take and stick it on my B7. :)
 

Crazymoogle

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Just saw the X900F (X9000F) for $400 below retail here. Probably going to bite. They are also selling a Dolby Atmos soundbar, although I wonder what the point of that is in anything short of a Yamaha 50 speaker array...

The only LED competition at the price range is the Samsung NU8000...but viewing angle problems and poor peak brightness is not exactly enamoring me to the Samsung style. Is there anyone here knowledgeable about the Q7FN? It seems to have better 1080p perf, at least?
 
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Looking for a 1080p TV that's 32" which is high quality - what is the best picture/input latency/display right now? I'm gonna wait for HDR to be implemented in smaller sets, it's just too big or only in stupid expensive monitors.
 

Crazymoogle

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Looking for a 1080p TV that's 32" which is high quality - what is the best picture/input latency/display right now? I'm gonna wait for HDR to be implemented in smaller sets, it's just too big or only in stupid expensive monitors.

The problem is there's no money in that on the TV side of the market. They've all moved on to 55/65/75 in general. But 32" still has big growth in the PC space. Only problem is you're paying big dollars for it. I have a great 32" Curved 144hz display that cost less than any Gsync monitor today...but it's not OLED or HDR. Still supports HDMI though.
 

Bumrush

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Finally saw Infinity War last night. It was a 10:10 showing, which is too late to start a movie when you have a job and kids, etc.

I really enjoyed it but would probably place it outside my Top 5 MCU movies on first viewing. Still incredibly excited for the direction A4 goes in, so I guess Disney did it's job again.
 

Kaversmed

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Just bought an LG B7 65 inch - holy moly gaming in HDR is definitely something else. Will calibrate it properly later but man it looks insane already.
 

DangerMouse

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I bought the A1 65. Hope I made the right call. Freaking expensive !
Even after almost a year the picture quality still regularly stuns the hell out of me. Hope you like it!

Make sure you turn on Enhanced HDMI on the ports you're using that you're connecting 4K HDR hardware to. HDMI 2 & 3 are the full bandwidth ports for 4K@60Hz + HDR (HDMI 3 is also the one that supports ARC).

Nice! People say upscaling is the reason to go Sony, but quite honestly I think the upscaling qualities, are very similar across all major brands, and the main advantage for you, is smooth gradation, this is what Sony do best, and the one thing I'd take and stick it on my B7. :)
I think with worse sources it might still be more noticeable but yeah usually at the point we're all probably mainly upscaling blu-rays that are already great sources, especially on these top TVs. But yeah, smooth gradation is such an awesome feature. :)
 

Brhoom

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Just bought an LG B7 65 inch - holy moly gaming in HDR is definitely something else. Will calibrate it properly later but man it looks insane already.


Congrats.

Just saw the X900F (X9000F) for $400 below retail here. Probably going to bite. They are also selling a Dolby Atmos soundbar, although I wonder what the point of that is in anything short of a Yamaha 50 speaker array...

The only LED competition at the price range is the Samsung NU8000...but viewing angle problems and poor peak brightness is not exactly enamoring me to the Samsung style. Is there anyone here knowledgeable about the Q7FN? It seems to have better 1080p perf, at least?

From Rtings, ''The X900F is Sony's current flagship LED TV, recently updated for 2018. The 900F produces slightly better picture quality, thanks to the full array local dimming feature. The Q7 is a bit brighter for SDR content while the X900F is brighter for HDR content. The Q7FN has a much wider color gamut and much better color volume. If you want the best colors possible with HDR content, go with the Q7FN; if not, then the X900F is a better choice.''

Edit: Forgot to add that the Q7 has a lower input lag than the X900F.
 

Spine_Ripper

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I bought the A1 65. Hope I made the right call. Freaking expensive !
Congrats! You should have 2 free movie purchases too in the google video app btw, some decent selections in there. I have the A8F (near identical) for 3 weeks now, still blows my mind. I just finished rewatching the IT remake on 4K disc, and the blacks in the sewer scenes are so damn good.

Also shoutouts Dolby Atmos. Movie was extra spooky
 

Verdanth

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Guys, is it a good time to change TV?

Currently I have a Sony KDL-42W705B, a LED TV which is not 4K.

From this, the natural transition would be to go for an OLED right? Going for a LED 4K in my point of view does not justify the investment, I believe.

With 1800 €, what's the best one you can get? My focus is mostly gaming. Is LG B7 still the king?
 

Kaversmed

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Sorry guys if this has been asked a bazillion times in here but I'm looking for the best settings for when gaming in HDR on the LG B7. I've tried a bunch of different settings but not sure if I'm getting the best results. I've seen a lot of you also have the B7 - any consensus on the best settings for gaming in HDR?

I would naturally think going for the "game" mode would be a non-brainer because of the latency advantage but now I'm reading that it actually disables Active HDR. Also, the game mode makes the games just seem kinda dull, but that might be because I need to calibrate it properly idk. I'm not really a MP player so the latency advantage is maybe lost on someone like me.

Can anyone point me in the right direction? :)
 

0ptimusPayne

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NVM fixed my issue..Jesus that 65 inch B7 price. They're really trying to get rid of those things. FYI If you recently bought a B7 at BB within the last month, the 55 inch dropped down an extra $100 so I got the credit put back on my BB card. The price is now $1499.99
 
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Hawk269

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Look what came in earlier than expected....

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Wife is out till about 9pm, so will have to wait to get it up stairs, opened and attach the stand and put it on my entertainment stand. Looking forward to it. My first ever Samsung, hope I get a good panel! Will post impressions when I can.
 

Punished Goku

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Look what came in earlier than expected....

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Wife is out till about 9pm, so will have to wait to get it up stairs, opened and attach the stand and put it on my entertainment stand. Looking forward to it. My first ever Samsung, hope I get a good panel! Will post impressions when I can.
The amount of tv's that you go through, GODDAMN!
 

Hawk269

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I feel like the only thing that will satisfy you is the mythical Crystal LED.

Or if the ZD9 and the E7 had a baby! That would do it.

For the record, it is not that I am not satisfied with my ZD9 or the E7, but I always want the best set for gaming and it seems like the Q9 might be it. When I bought my E7 I loved it but the HDR brightness level was not as much as I wanted, granted it was not horrid, just wish it was brighter and that is when I got the ZD9. I spent a lot of time with both, switching them in and out, using one for a month or so, then switching back to the other. Both are fantastic sets and I highly recommend them both. Just seems like the Q9, based on impressions/reviews may be the set that takes a bit from both. We will see when I put it through it's paces. If it turns out to be a dud, I will just stick with my ZD9/E7 (my e7 does have some banding that only appears in dark scenes, but is annoying).
 
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