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Valus

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Yup. Even just two would be good.



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You need at least two. Neeeeeeeed.
Nah. If he had blue and white shirts with matching ties and wore those along with that purple one no one would be complaining.

Not saying having 2 suits isn't a bad thing. But need? Disagree.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Wait. You will not give the house you bought/built to your children? I am german so you probably hit the nail on the head with your first sentences, but this is incredibly baffling to me. A large part in building your own house in germany is to be able to provide a home to your children and their children when they grow up. Like...of course the children are going to inherit their parents house, what else are you going to do with the property? o0
I want my parents to spend every dime of their money, sell the house, travel the world ideally (they're pretty well off). I don't want a thing. They busted their asses to put me through college, helped me get started and have taken care of their grandchildren. I want them to spend every dime on themselves, they deserve it.

I'm American for what it's worth
 

Strike

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That's embarrassing man. You'd think he would have taken the hint by now. To top it all off he has a kid of his own that it doesn't even take care of.
 

Rygar 8Bit

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What's a parody about my post? The economy sucks, college costs way too much, and it's gonna get even worse with the shit Trump and the GOP are pulling. There's no point in getting a job and scraping by every month. My dad hates his own job and says it makes him want to kill himself every day--you think I wanna go through that? I'm not even white and neurodivergent so I'm already starting off at a disadvantage.

It's really more "why waste the effort trying when you're gonna be scraping by every month and miserable for the rest of your life with zero chance at fulfillment and happiness." Capitalism is a joke. No use even trying to play this rigged game--the house always wins.

What are you going to do when your free ride dies off?
 

lilpump

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The media seems to be exploiting this case to push an agenda about "Millennials"
Not to jump to conclusions but I would guess or assume this man may have learning difficulties of some sort; or there is some context or back story we are missing as this doesn't make sense
 

Dennis8K

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The company also decided to offer him a "signing bonus" of $1,101, saying it would beat an offer of $1,100 from his parents, an apparent reference to money Rotondo's parents, Mark and Christina Rotondo, gave their son earlier this year to help him move out.

Michael Rotondo told "Good Morning America" this week that he accepted the money but spent it on "other things."

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you: Millennial Man!
 

Bricktop

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What's a parody about my post? The economy sucks, college costs way too much, and it's gonna get even worse with the shit Trump and the GOP are pulling. There's no point in getting a job and scraping by every month. My dad hates his own job and says it makes him want to kill himself every day--you think I wanna go through that? I'm not even white and neurodivergent so I'm already starting off at a disadvantage.

It's really more "why waste the effort trying when you're gonna be scraping by every month and miserable for the rest of your life with zero chance at fulfillment and happiness." Capitalism is a joke. No use even trying to play this rigged game--the house always wins.

So, definitely a parody.

Seriously though, It's really going to suck for you when you're no longer a kid and realize you've done nothing with your life and the people you depend on for survival aren't around anymore. You think capitalism sucks? Wait until you see how bad it sucks being a middle-aged, uneducated loser with no job history and no future prospects. Nothing says, "I'm not miserable," like wearing the same dirty clothes for weeks at a time and living in a cardboard box, which is probably where you'll end up. You're young though, I really hope you grow out of this phase before you actually ruin your life.
 

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What's a parody about my post? The economy sucks, college costs way too much, and it's gonna get even worse with the shit Trump and the GOP are pulling. There's no point in getting a job and scraping by every month. My dad hates his own job and says it makes him want to kill himself every day--you think I wanna go through that? I'm not even white and neurodivergent so I'm already starting off at a disadvantage.

It's really more "why waste the effort trying when you're gonna be scraping by every month and miserable for the rest of your life with zero chance at fulfillment and happiness." Capitalism is a joke. No use even trying to play this rigged game--the house always wins.


Man that attitude is going to fuck you over bad in the next decade.
 

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If I ever have a kid, they are not getting access to their trust fund until 1) complete a hugher education or trades courses, and 2) can sustain themselves for 5-years.

Entitled kids need a swift kick in the butt.
 

Ether_Snake

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What's a parody about my post? The economy sucks, college costs way too much, and it's gonna get even worse with the shit Trump and the GOP are pulling. There's no point in getting a job and scraping by every month. My dad hates his own job and says it makes him want to kill himself every day--you think I wanna go through that? I'm not even white and neurodivergent so I'm already starting off at a disadvantage.

It's really more "why waste the effort trying when you're gonna be scraping by every month and miserable for the rest of your life with zero chance at fulfillment and happiness." Capitalism is a joke. No use even trying to play this rigged game--the house always wins.

So what about everyone else who had it more rough than you and managed to make it by not taking such a defeatist attitude?
If you see it as a game, fine, but if you don't play you're not out of it, you're just guaranteed to lose. Start developing an interest in learning about things, dig to find out more about said things, and eventually your interests will drive to commitments. You have to eventually be able to not have to depend on others to live.
 

Cybersai

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For the people in this thread, what age do you think people should move out of their parents house by? I know many 30+ year olds still with their parents.
 

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For the people in this thread, what age do you think people should move out of their parents house by? I know many 30+ year olds still with their parents.
In some cases it's fine for a 30+ year old to live with parents as long as they are contributing to the household in a meaningful way. Perhaps taking care of an ill or elderly parent, helping pay rent, finishing school, or suffering a debilitating ailment themselves. It really just depends on the situation, it's not black and white. But sitting around and doing nothing when you're able to contribute wouldn't be welcomed by the majority of people I would think.
 

GamerJM

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Being a wageslave is overrated. The economy is shit and work is a joke. I 22 and live the moocher hikikomori NEET life and I'm not ashamed of it.

I unironically agree except I'm 24
and a week from today I start wageslave life

Tbh the one thing preventing me from just going full NEET for the rest of my life is because I wouldn't be able to afford the video games I want, especially the rare expensive ones like Snatcher, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Mr. Gimmick, Little Samson, etc. Also I'm pretty sure my mom would eventually get fed up with me, though I think she doesn't care that much. My dad even told me one time I could be a NEET if I wanted to because he was when he was my age for several months and it would basically be like going through retirement but earlier in life. Though I'm still going to be mooching off my parents regardless tho I'll help out with whatever if they want me to.
 

Chasex

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What's a parody about my post? The economy sucks, college costs way too much, and it's gonna get even worse with the shit Trump and the GOP are pulling. There's no point in getting a job and scraping by every month. My dad hates his own job and says it makes him want to kill himself every day--you think I wanna go through that? I'm not even white and neurodivergent so I'm already starting off at a disadvantage.

It's really more "why waste the effort trying when you're gonna be scraping by every month and miserable for the rest of your life with zero chance at fulfillment and happiness." Capitalism is a joke. No use even trying to play this rigged game--the house always wins.

I'm sure you have your reasons for feeling this way but... damn, that's an extremely defeatist and cynical outlook to have at what I assume is a relatively young age. Honestly, sounds to me like you've spent too much time reading negative headlines on the internet.

College is actually not that expensive if you do it right (a lot of options in this area) and is not a guaranteed 100k debt like many would have you think. I have a ton of experience in this area if anyone needs help navigating these waters.

The economy does not suck. In fact it's probably too good to the point it's about to crash again. Unemployment is extremely low, the stock market is cooking, and housing is at bubble prices again.

Sounds like your Dad is in a horrible position, but that doesn't mean you need to be in that position. Zero chance of fulfillment? Say's who? Tons of people lead very fulfilling day jobs and enjoy their work. There's also a lot to be said about the feeling of accomplishment having spent a hard day at work and finally getting home for the night or the weekend. Life is a balance, it's relative, you can't be happy 100% of the time. The lows make the highs higher. Also sounds like your Dad continues to work in order to provide for you, so it's pretty selfish to not take any burden yourself.

Rigged system... yeah, rich people play by different rules than the rest of us but there's still plenty of systems in place to climb the ladder. The house does not always win... shit I'm not letting the house win. Man, I was 21 and had the same attitude as you, no seriously I did. I don't know wtf happened frankly but something kicked my ass into gear and now I'm 27 and own 2 houses and a 6 figure salary. Nothing is a foregone conclusion.
 

statham

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For the people in this thread, what age do you think people should move out of their parents house by? I know many 30+ year olds still with their parents.
I moved out at 19, and it was rough, went through several jobs, parents sent some food but never money, I learned from them years, that I can make it without my parents. it was ramen and rice for many years.But I learned I would be okay if something happened to my parents. that was my biggest fear. You living with them until 30?, nah, not my kid. 19 to 30 is where you live and make mistakes and learn and probably start a family, not live at home,
 

turbobrick

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Since others are sharing, I'll join in and say that I'm 32, unemployed (as of earlier today), and still live at home. Though I'm going back to school, and still have a year left. Even when I did have my job, it was part time and I was only making about $600/month. Even with a roommate I'd be spending probably 50-60% of my income on rent/utilities. It just doesn't make sense for me to move out at the moment.


Being a wageslave is overrated. The economy is shit and work is a joke. I 22 and live the moocher hikikomori NEET life and I'm not ashamed of it.

I could never do this. I hate not having a job because I like being able to spend money on stuff. I'd rather be a wageslave than be broke.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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For the people in this thread, what age do you think people should move out of their parents house by? I know many 30+ year olds still with their parents.

Entirely case by case. There's a ton of factors both for and against moving out that all make up any one person's given situation. For me, I managed to get a house and moved out at 26 with a few friends. After 2 years, those friends ended up moving out and I was left alone in the house. Since I genuinely like being around my parents and being at the house was lonely, I moved back in with them and am now renting out my house, netting me some good passive income.

No one's situation is the same and the easy answer is "whenever they're ready", but even that has a ton of caveats to it. This is before we even get into stuff like physical/developmental disorders and whether someone is legit capable of caring for themselves.
 

captive

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What's a parody about my post? The economy sucks, college costs way too much, and it's gonna get even worse with the shit Trump and the GOP are pulling. There's no point in getting a job and scraping by every month. My dad hates his own job and says it makes him want to kill himself every day--you think I wanna go through that? I'm not even white and neurodivergent so I'm already starting off at a disadvantage.

It's really more "why waste the effort trying when you're gonna be scraping by every month and miserable for the rest of your life with zero chance at fulfillment and happiness." Capitalism is a joke. No use even trying to play this rigged game--the house always wins.
The economy only sucks if you refuse to work and learn, you know, skills.

My phone/email is literally blowing up with jobs. This week alone I've gotten 7-10 recruiters hitting me up about jobs.
 

earthsucks

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Since others are sharing, I'll join in and say that I'm 32, unemployed (as of earlier today), and still live at home. Though I'm going back to school, and still have a year left. Even when I did have my job, it was part time and I was only making about $600/month. Even with a roommate I'd be spending probably 50-60% of my income on rent/utilities. It just doesn't make sense for me to move out at the moment.

I could never do this. I hate not having a job because I like being able to spend money on stuff. I'd rather be a wageslave than be broke.

sounds like a ton of excuses to me. lots of people (especially students) spend that much on rent. "doesn't make sense for me" - when will it make sense, when you're 42? cut the cord, let your parents enjoy their life, and move the fuck out already.
 

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Wow, some seriously harsh comments in this thread. Kind of surprised. Didn't expect people to be so freaking judgemental here.
 

turbobrick

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sounds like a ton of excuses to me. lots of people (especially students) spend that much on rent. "doesn't make sense for me" - when will it make sense, when you're 42? cut the cord, let your parents enjoy their life, and move the fuck out already.

42? Well that's a bit of an exaggeration. You say they're excuses, but I'd rather not put myself in debt just so I have have a shitty apartment, as I'm using the money from my jobs to pay my own tuition. I plan on moving out once I'm working full time.
 

andrespi

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It's gonna be fun when all these parents will be sent to retirement homes (cheap ones not certainly luxury ones that only super rich can afford; something here we wouldn't do even to our worst enemy) and their children will call them once a week if they are lucky, with no chance to see or spend their time with their grandsons (because they will probably be resentful of the hardship they had to endure); or even worse old parents will have to live alone (because independence is everything right?) and spend 90% of their pension to pay a nurse and not being able to afford pay tv.

If I were a children in america kicked out at 18 (even if I had no job), who has risked in his youth to become homeless or swallowed in debt for no reason (so that these parents can enjoy their golden years), I sure as hell wouldn't bother to take care of them when they are 75+ or to carry him myself twice a week to buy food and groceries, or have a room for him in my home and give up all my 30 paid holidays to take care of him part-time at my home. Why would I if they didn't want me around after 18 and every adult must live by himself?

I had a very distant relative who was like that, he spent his last years alone because he sent off his families (didn't want to have anything to do with them) and they built their own families completely on their own; result? he was found dead alone in his home several days after he died. But you know hey at least he was independent and didn't have to bother his family for the last few years of his life. At least he wasn't sent to a nursing home (which in most cases it's more similar to a lager).

I don't even understand how a strong social contract [between young (children)-old (parent) people] would work if you stop caring about your children as soon as they turn 18. Here in my country sending elders to nursing homes (with no frequent contact with relatives) are a last option for those with no other way and would be seen very badly by other people (and rightly so); but I don't see how a strong social contract (so that the young people are expected to take care of elders) can be formed if parents kick them out as soon as they turn 18 or ask for both rent and bills.
 
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It's gonna be fun when all these parents will be sent to retirement homes (cheap ones not certainly luxury ones that only super rich can afford; something here we wouldn't do even to our worst enemy) and their children will call them once a week if they are lucky, with no chance to see or spend their time with their grandsons (because they will probably be resentful of the hardship they had to endure); or even worse old parents will have to live alone (because independence is everything right?) and spend 90% of their pension to pay a nurse and not being able to afford pay tv.

If I were a children in america kicked out at 18 (even if I had no job), who has risked in his youth to become homeless or swallowed in debt for no reason (so that these parents can enjoy their golden years), I sure as hell wouldn't bother to take care of them when they are 75+ or to carry him myself twice a week to buy food and groceries, or have a room for him in my home and give up all my 30 paid holidays to take care of him part-time at my home. Why would I if they didn't want me around after 18 and every adult must live by himself?

I had a very distant relative who was like that, he spent his last years alone because he sent off his families (didn't want to have anything to do with them) and they built their own families completely on their own; result? he was found dead alone in his home several days after he died. But you know hey at least he was independent and didn't have to bother his family for the last few years of his life. At least he wasn't sent to a nursing home (which in most cases it's more similar to a lager).

I don't even understand how a strong social contract [between young (children)-old (parent) people] would work if you stop caring about your children as soon as they turn 18. Here in my country sending elders to nursing homes (with no frequent contact with relatives) are a last option for those with no other way and would be seen very badly by other people (and rightly so); but I don't see how a strong social contract (so that th eyounbg are expected to take care of elders) can be formed if parents kick them out as soon as they turn 18 or ask for both rent and bills.

I think it's time to move on

This is western culture. American and British culture is to live independently. I also don't get it as someone who is Asian. But westerners are slowly going to get screwed with that mentality. There are already a ton of homeowners and more wealthy Asian, samali, and other communities than British American white communities that are wealthier because these other cultures tend to help each other much more. You ever head of the phrase it takes a village to raise a child.

I live with my wife and parents at age 30, and actually own a home and rent it out to make money to buy a 2nd house of my own. My sister lives next door to my parents house and my parents help with baby sitting alot for her. My brother lives down the road and we visit eachother alot. My cousin lives 2 blocks away too. Other cultures seem to prefer being around family more and love helping eachother. It's a better life, less loneliness and the help also makes everyone better off financially. While Asian guy owns multiple houses, there is a white british guy still renting into his 30s due to wanting to be independent. But 60 Asian guy will be retired and have mortgage paid of with a 2nd home as a income while British guy still working full time at 60 to keep up with rent.
 
Could be a developmental disorder. I wouldn't be surprised seeing that interview.

I don't think everything has to be about a disorder. The guy has enough awareness and social ability to go on multiple live interviews, argue his 'case' in court, and father a child. He just seems like an entitled leech who's a bit awkward.

Everyone needs at least two suits.



I'm guessing his parents got him this set a few years ago for a funeral. Maaaaaaaybe a formal wedding.

Seems festive for a funeral. My money's on wedding.


Nah. If he had blue and white shirts with matching ties and wore those along with that purple one no one would be complaining.

Not saying having 2 suits isn't a bad thing. But need? Disagree.

I'm just joking. Dude could get by with a few shirts and ties to switch it up.

For the people in this thread, what age do you think people should move out of their parents house by? I know many 30+ year olds still with their parents.

I think 30 is waaaay too late. 19-25 sounds more reasonable to me, barring other circumstances like what Cas mentioned. There's no hard answer, though. I think as long as you're contributing and moving forward in some way (working, saving, school) it's fine.

It's gonna be fun when all these parents will be sent to retirement homes (cheap ones not certainly luxury ones that only super rich can afford; something here we wouldn't do even to our worst enemy) and their children will call them once a week if they are lucky, with no chance to see or spend their time with their grandsons (because they will probably be resentful of the hardship they had to endure); or even worse old parents will have to live alone (because independence is everything right?) and spend 90% of their pension to pay a nurse and not being able to afford pay tv.

If I were a children in america kicked out at 18 (even if I had no job), who has risked in his youth to become homeless or swallowed in debt for no reason (so that these parents can enjoy their golden years), I sure as hell wouldn't bother to take care of them when they are 75+ or to carry him myself twice a week to buy food and groceries, or have a room for him in my home and give up all my 30 paid holidays to take care of him part-time at my home. Why would I if they didn't want me around after 18 and every adult must live by himself?

I had a very distant relative who was like that, he spent his last years alone because he sent off his families (didn't want to have anything to do with them) and they built their own families completely on their own; result? he was found dead alone in his home several days after he died. But you know hey at least he was independent and didn't have to bother his family for the last few years of his life. At least he wasn't sent to a nursing home (which in most cases it's more similar to a lager).

I don't even understand how a strong social contract [between young (children)-old (parent) people] would work if you stop caring about your children as soon as they turn 18. Here in my country sending elders to nursing homes (with no frequent contact with relatives) are a last option for those with no other way and would be seen very badly by other people (and rightly so); but I don't see how a strong social contract (so that the young people are expected to take care of elders) can be formed if parents kick them out as soon as they turn 18 or ask for both rent and bills.

Still really defensive and silly.
 
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NewDonkStrong

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How does the perma NEET thing work once your parents die, assuming they weren't rich? Do you just say "I had a nice ride" and commit suicide?
 

PhazonBlonde

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For the people in this thread, what age do you think people should move out of their parents house by? I know many 30+ year olds still with their parents.

It's a case by case thing. If you've got a great relationship with parents and you want to get through college cheaper, that's cool. I'd say mid to late 20s if you go to college, very early 20s if you don't have college ambitions. In that case i'd say learn a trade and get by on that.

30+ is fine is you're returning home from living on your own. I had to do it to escape an abusive relationship. Such arrangements should only last a year at most though. 30+ and never having lived on your own though and you've missed out on a lot of life experience and I don't see how anyone feels ok living like that
 

andrespi

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Still really defensive and silly.

Yet you didn't answer what happens with many of these elders. Do most of these childs, that were kicked out at 18 (without a home or a job to go) or had to pay rent+bills (meaning spending most of their salaries) to their own father to stay in the houyse they lived until two days before, take care for real of their elders?

These parents were threatening their children with either you pay, or you are getting out (which means you risk being homeless). Even leaving aside the ethics of doing something like this to someone you care deeply, how can the children then not remember this behaviour when they will have to support them?

Or are elders left on their own because nuclear family and independence is put above everything else? I really struggle to see how someone who was kicked out forcefully as soon as 18 (just so parents can go vacationing), letting them accumulate huge debt (even when the family could have helped to save for their children's family just by being less egoistic), can then be happy when taking care of their elders in 20 years.

I mean I understand families where they can't support any longer their son (because of unforeseen financial reasons), but if you have the possibility why keep all the money for yourself when it can do good for someone you care? Are you earning money just for yourself? Then why build a family if you don't want to share your earnings (in part and reasonably) with family members?
Then just live for yourself and with your partner, cutting ties with other family members (aunts, uncles, and especially brothers and sisters which you will hear once every six months) and you can keep all the money for yourself without having to share with your offsprings.

Even the paying rent doesn't make sense. I would understand the bills (it happens also here in my country seldomly especially if the family is not rich or one of the parents died), but what are you making pay to your son in the case of rent? The house is yours (or if you are renting you don't pay something more for letting your son stay in your rent) so if your son already share the bills with you, you are not spending anything more than you would spend if your son wasn't there. Do you ask your relatives staying in your home to pay you just for the privilege of staying in your house? I mean doesn't just feel good to have a relative with you (and same for children) and that's repayment enough as long as they don't abuse it?

Leaving home as early as possible is great, and kudos to everybody who manages it, but threatening your child as soon as they turn 18 with: "pay or get out" (and parent doesn't care if you end up couch-surfing or homeless) is something very worrying. I mean I left for my university to study in another city for 3-4 years and come back to my parent's home after that, and many do the same here, but I don't understand what would be wrong if a parent partially supports their children or the stigma around someone living at parent's home without going to university.

I mean I'm scared of a society that reasons like this. And if you don't see what's wrong from an ethical point of view in the threatening a close relative with pay or get out of my house (even if it means he will live like shit ammassing debt or living like a homeless) I don't know what to tell you. If someone manages to afford leaving home as early as 18 all on their own, it's great and he deserves all respect, but a parent threatening their just-turned-18 child: either you get pay or get out (no matter where you end up or if you won't be able to save anything for retirement), is disgusting from my point of view in any decent society. Without even considering the aspect of why then the son would feel obliged to take care of their parents when old.

But I guess each country has its own ways. Personally I will never understand how someone could let his own blood live a terrible life (get out or pay now and give up anything so that you can't save something extra for retirement) and just hope that this tradition of threatening your 18 years old children and selfish ways never comes/spread to my own country too much. I will just make peace with the fact that being selfish and not value family members over silly money and vacations is a widespread thing in other countries.
 
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Juj

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I'm Arab. But with a very western mentality. Moved out ASAP, don't appreciate the 'stay put in your parents home until (in our culture) you're married.'-culture.

Because that's what it boils down to, you get sent off to be the 'leader' of another house hold when you're married, then you have kids, and another part of your life - the 'adult' 'begin visiting your family members regularly to maintain social relations'-part.

It sounds so mind numbing, so depressing, like an ultimate end station.

So I moved out. I'm 24 though, so that's already very late. The other option would be stay put until you get married - the typical way - ain't getting married anytime soon,have a girlfriend, good friends. Fuck that,

Worst part though is the idea of disappointment in my parents. That they travelled to this country to give us, not even hope of, but just a better future, and then we go an leave the culture that they had behind, and take over the culture of the new country.

I'm sure they would be hella glad if I followed the typical way of marriage and kids ASAP. But again fuck the culture. I'm not living my life to please culture. And if parents really loved their kids, they would just love the kid as they are,
 
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I unironically agree except I'm 24
and a week from today I start wageslave life

Tbh the one thing preventing me from just going full NEET for the rest of my life is because I wouldn't be able to afford the video games I want, especially the rare expensive ones like Snatcher, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Mr. Gimmick, Little Samson, etc. Also I'm pretty sure my mom would eventually get fed up with me, though I think she doesn't care that much. My dad even told me one time I could be a NEET if I wanted to because he was when he was my age for several months and it would basically be like going through retirement but earlier in life. Though I'm still going to be mooching off my parents regardless tho I'll help out with whatever if they want me to.

No offense but this is some privilege ass shit. "I'm only keeping a job so I can buy my rate video games and not piss off my mom".
 

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I love my family but I have no idea how you could still be living with your parents in your thirties, I struggle to understand how people can end up living so close to their families. I've traveled all over the country for my career, going wherever the best opportunity took me, I currently live around 400 miles away from my parents and sisters and have done now for about 10 years with absolutely no intention of moving closer to my family.

I moved out of my parents house when I turned 18, they helped me pay the deposit and the first 6 months rent then after that I was on my own.
 

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Yet you didn't answer what happens with many of these elders. Do most of these childs, that were kicked out at 18 (without a home or a job to go) or had to pay rent+bills (meaning spending most of their salaries) to their own father to stay in the houyse they lived until two days before, take care for real of their elders?

These parents were threatening their children with either you pay, or you are getting out (which means you risk being homeless). Even leaving aside the ethics of doing something like this to someone you care deeply, how can the children then not remember this behaviour when they will have to support them?

Or are elders left on their own because nuclear family and independence is put above everything else? I really struggle to see how someone who was kicked out forcefully as soon as 18 (just so parents can go vacationing), letting them accumulate huge debt (even when the family could have helped to save for their children's family just by being less egoistic), can then be happy when taking care of their elders in 20 years.

I mean I understand families where they can't support any longer their son (because of unforeseen financial reasons), but if you have the possibility why keep all the money for yourself when it can do good for someone you care? Are you earning money just for yourself? Then why build a family if you don't want to share your earnings (in part and reasonably) with family members?
Then just live for yourself and with your partner, cutting ties with other family members (aunts, uncles, and especially brothers and sisters which you will hear once every six months) and you can keep all the money for yourself without having to share with your offsprings.

Even the paying rent doesn't make sense. I would understand the bills (it happens also here in my country seldomly especially if the family is not rich or one of the parents died), but what are you making pay to your son in the case of rent? The house is yours (or if you are renting you don't pay something more for letting your son stay in your rent) so if your son already share the bills with you, you are not spending anything more than you would spend if your son wasn't there. Do you ask your relatives staying in your home to pay you just for the privilege of staying in your house? I mean doesn't just feel good to have a relative with you (and same for children) and that's repayment enough as long as they don't abuse it?

Leaving home as early as possible is great, and kudos to everybody who manages it, but threatening your child as soon as they turn 18 with: "pay or get out" (and parent doesn't care if you end up couch-surfing or homeless) is something very worrying. I mean I left for my university to study in another city for 3-4 years and come back to my parent's home after that, and many do the same here, but I don't understand what would be wrong if a parent partially supports their children or the stigma around someone living at parent's home without going to university.

I mean I'm scared of a society that reasons like this. And if you don't see what's wrong from an ethical point of view in the threatening a close relative with pay or get out of my house (even if it means he will live like shit ammassing debt or living like a homeless) I don't know what to tell you. If someone manages to afford leaving home as early as 18 all on their own, it's great and he deserves all respect, but a parent threatening their just-turned-18 child: either you get pay or get out (no matter where you end up or if you won't be able to save anything for retirement), is disgusting from my point of view in any decent society. Without even considering the aspect of why then the son would feel obliged to take care of their parents when old.

But I guess each country has its own ways. Personally I will never understand how someone could let his own blood live a terrible life (get out or pay now and give up anything so that you can't save something extra for retirement) and just hope that this tradition of threatening your 18 years old children and selfish ways never comes/spread to my own country too much. I will just make peace with the fact that being selfish and not value family members over silly money and vacations is a widespread thing in other countries.


That's not how this works. I didn't want my kids to have my life, I want them to have their life. Both of our kids moved out at 18, and we paid half their rent and most their school. We dont need them to take care of us in our old age because we saved and can afford our own old age, and they will be able to also since they are independent and have a push to make their own means.we pick them up when they fall, but we don't carry them.

You seriously think this guy is going to have the means to take care of himself in 30 year, much less his parents? Any wealth his parents may have built will eventually run out. I grew up dirt poor, and was a little lazy in my teens. Without my parents sometimes tough love, my kids would not have had any better.
 

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I wonder how someone is able to jump over the hurdle of having a sick parent and living somewhere else. I'm 21 and am in college but still see a bunch of students my age finesse their own places. It's nice not having to pay rent and whatnot. Also I would feelt guilty to leave while my father is sick.
 

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That's not how this works. I didn't want my kids to have my life, I want them to have their life. Both of our kids moved out at 18, and we paid half their rent and most their school. We dont need them to take care of us in our old age because we saved and can afford our own old age, and they will be able to also since they are independent and have a push to make their own means.we pick them up when they fall, but we don't carry them.

You seriously think this guy is going to have the means to take care of himself in 30 year, much less his parents? Any wealth his parents may have built will eventually run out. I grew up dirt poor, and was a little lazy in my teens. Without my parents sometimes tough love, my kids would not have had any better.

I don't see why anoyone would prefer to live in their old age completely alone, but ok. I'm not gonna argue, I was always raised (and so are all people I know and the communities where I live) that getting old without family around is one of the worst thing possible and only as a very last option. Obviously you can live alone when too old but there are several bad aspects to that, and I have difficulties believing that it would be a better life than being around close family members.

Also paying half their rent and their school as you are doing is very different from other stories I heard (here we were talking about sons paying rent+bills as soon as 18 for the privilege of staying inside their parent's home or else being kicked out).

Anyway I was not talking about the guy in the news/article, he is obviously taking advantage of their parents (spending money they gave him to move away for something else; not trying to find a job; had a child for which he doesn't care and so on), I was talking in general.

So you are okay with not spending your last 10-20 years around your family and being in a retirement house (with all the negatives it has)? Obviously there are situations where it's unavoidable (and there is very little other options), but if the means are there, I never knew anyone in person that would prefer ageing alone instead that being around their grandsons (I mean the grandfather-grandsons relationship is one of the best of my life even if it had MANY difficulties) and children rather than being sent to a retirement house. I mean here where I live people plan on how to move to be around their families when too old to be left completely alone, or the other way around.

I mean when my paternal grandparents became too old, and one was close to dying we did everything possible to stay close to them (sons/daughters taking turns to stay with them or grandchildren like me going as often they could during vacations just to give them company just to enjoy as more as possible time with them since it was clear it was going to end very soon).

I really don't know why anyone would choose that (being sent to a retirement house where in 90% of cases they are abused or have very little contact with outside world) rather than staying with family, but ok. Everybody has their customs and entitled to their own opinions, so I'm not gonna argue about this. For me it remains hard to understand, but I will respect that other countries have different values. I can't really say that I agree with them, but I will respect that different cultures have different ideas on the social contract there should be between young people and old.
 
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That's not really the norm in most fields or early on in your career, though.
Yeah, and it's also an american thing.

In southern europe it's not like that at all. Here in my country most people stay unemployed even 6-10 months between jobs, a few unlucky for a year or more (and this is even for people with bachelor's degrees) and even if you find a decent office job it's paid just enough to survive if you live in the city. And most of those jobs here are temporary, I think only 2 or 3 friends every ten of mine have a permanent contract (and they are in their early thirties), others are temporary and can be fired with no warning. 7-10 interviews in a week are sci-fi for european standards. I mean people I know are really lucky if they get 2 or 3 interviews per month.
 

andrespi

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If you aren't moving out at 18 it better be because you're still studying.
This is the selfish thinking I was talking. So if your son doesn't want to go to uni (which a lot of people do), you are going to kick him out? What job could he possibly find since he just finished school and couldn't possibly work until he finishes school? I mean do you expect to find a job at 18 in a few months? And what if for any reason he didn't manage to find one, would you really kick him out even if he has no means to survive decently? Who is even gonna rent him a home without a decent salary?

He would be lucky to find a shared flat in some dirty and dangerous neighborhood and would be forced a job underpaid he doesn't want just because he needs to survive.
 
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I'm fully expecting to move back into my parents house next year when I'm 26 because my lease is up like a month after I graduate college. Me and my mom have talked about it, and she's fine with it mostly because she knows it's my goal to get a job and move out again as soon as possible. She would be alright with me living there forever honestly, but fuck that
 

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Yeah, and it's also an american thing.

In southern europe it's not like that at all. Here in my country most people stay unemployed even 6-10 months between jobs, a few unlucky for a year or more (and this is even for people with bachelor's degrees) and even if you find a decent office job it's paid just enough to survive if you live in the city. And most of those jobs here are temporary, I think only 2 or 3 friends every ten of mine have a permanent contract (and they are in their early thirties), others are temporary and can be fired with no warning. 7-10 interviews in a week are sci-fi for european standards. I mean people I know are really lucky if they get 2 or 3 interviews per month.

I wouldn't say it's just an American thing, I'm from the UK AND i've been working for coming up to twenty years and I've never had more than 2 weeks off between jobs. I did actually have 6 weeks off once but that was due to planning an extended holiday.

I get at least one email a day from recruiters about a relevant role, in close proximity to me which are a mixture of contact and permanent positions.
 

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Even the paying rent doesn't make sense. I would understand the bills (it happens also here in my country seldomly especially if the family is not rich or one of the parents died), but what are you making pay to your son in the case of rent? The house is yours

Except many times it isn't. Most mortgages are 30 years. Even once they're paid off, you have taxes and insurance in perpetuity.
 
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I moved out at 18 and I couldn't imagine moving back with my parents. I would easily do roommates before going back with parents. Weirdly enough, I've had my mom and my mother in law both offer to move in with us since we have a child now, and I don't want that either