Ludiscere - Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and Sexualisation: A Case Study

GamerJM · May 26, 2018

This is a fantastic video on sexualization in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 that I came across via YouTube recommendations of all places, from a fantastic video essayist who I had never heard of. Ludiscere makes points responding to backlash to an article written about sexualization in this game. He uses the video to largely comment on sexualization in gaming in general (specifically JRPGs primarily). If you're apprehensive about watching the lengthy video because it's ambiguous regarding what "side" he's on from the title and the first minute or two, then I guess I should make it clear that he's critical of the sexualization in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and talks about how it detracts from the characterization as well as the game at large. One point I like a lot that he makes several times is that sexualization often undermines characters who are otherwise interesting and deep and can even have backstories that seem at odds with their sexualized designs.

It is worth noting that this video does have spoilers for Xenoblade Chronicles 2, so be warned for that. I, admittedly, dropped Xenoblade Chronicles 2 very early on (not because of the sexualization, but because I didn't really care for the first game or what I played of X and it was apparent early on that this game did not fix any gripes I had with those games, plus it's apparently long af and I'd rather do other things with my time). However, the video is still very much accessible to people who have not played the game, and while it did show off key scenes from what seem to be late in the game it also didn't really seem to spoil any huge reveals (at least from what I could tell). So it's still worth watching if you don't have any plans to play Xenoblade Chronicles 2, IMO, just because of how it comments on sexualized designs as it relates to gaming as a whole.

Mod edit:
Please stay on the topic of Xenoblade 2.
If you wish to discuss the general topic of female sexualisation, feel free to visit this thread instead: https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-read-op.4483

texhnolyze · May 26, 2018

Everyone keep pointing their finger at Pyra, but she's not even close as the worst offender of sexualism in this game. Nia was one of the worst due to her child-like figure.

Static · May 26, 2018

texhnolyze said:
Everyone keep pointing their finger at Pyra, but she's not even close as the worst offender of sexualism in this game. Nia was one of the worst due to her child-like figure.

Her sexualized look doesn't show up til very late game though, and is something of a spoiler, so people are sort of hesitant to talk about it even if they don't like it I suspect. Whereas Pyra is plastered all over the marketing and packaging.

But yeah. There are definitely characters besides Pyra who raise eyebrows.

Xaszatm · May 26, 2018

texhnolyze said:
Everyone keep pointing their finger at Pyra, but she's not even close as the worst offender of sexualism in this game. Nia was one of the worst due to her child-like figure.

It's worse when combined with her story which makes the climax of it sooooo annoying. Also like how the game seems to recognize this so she doesn't wear that costume for a good chunk of the remaining scenes in the game.

darkwing · May 26, 2018

camel toe on Nia was it

Neiteio · May 26, 2018

I love XC2, and it has probably the most heartfelt story and cast I've ever seen in a game, by Nintendo or otherwise. But it did bother me at times how some of the character designs undermine it. I got used to them and came to love their personalities, but there really is no need for the exaggerated designs. It just makes the game appear insensitive.

Zetaero · May 26, 2018

I haven't finished the game yet but I have been wondering how Praxis and Theory got such a HUGE pass while Pyra and to a lesser extent Mythra are crucified for the same thing.

SideMatt · May 26, 2018

How big are the spoilers? I'd like to watch the video, but I haven't gotten past chapter 4 yet.

Luis Pereira · May 26, 2018

If you don't like Japanese culture, aesthetics, humour and sexuality, you can always consume something else.

I'm tired of occidentals virtue signaling every time and imposing their cultural moral sensitivity and hypocrisy

Xenoblade 2 is an incredibly good game and completely normal in the Japanese game/anime culture. You should have realized the genre when watching all the trailers and art before buying.

If you don't like anime, the problem is your preferences and tastes, not the game.

Donkusei · May 26, 2018

Boring... Please stop.

DVCY201 · May 26, 2018

I still need to watch this. I see this video pop up a lot in the other conversations we have about XC2.

Dnomla · May 26, 2018

SideMatt said:
How big are the spoilers? I'd like to watch the video, but I haven't gotten past chapter 4 yet.

Very big spoilers about a character. And you're not really anywhere close to that point yet. So, if that's something you care about it's probably not worth a watch yet.

PK_Wonder · May 26, 2018

People definitely sexualize the characters in this game a lot which is unfortunate. Pyra, Mythra, Nia, Morag, Brighid, and Poppi are all extremely well developed, independent, and intelligent female characters.

RockmanBN · May 26, 2018

Xaszatm said:
It's worse when combined with her story which makes the climax of it sooooo annoying. Also like how the game seems to recognize this so she doesn't wear that costume for a good chunk of the remaining scenes in the game.

Cmon walking around in spandex with your thong out for everyone to see is very normal. Just go to Walmart.

Rbz · May 26, 2018

Luis Pereira said:
If you don't like Japanese culture, aesthetics, humour and sexuality, you can always consume something else.

I'm tired of occidentals virtue signaling every time and imposing their cultural moral sensitivity and hypocrisy

Xenoblade 2 is an incredibly good game and completely normal in the Japanese game/anime culture. You should have realized the genre when watching all the trailers and art before buying.

If you don't like anime, the problem is your preferences and tastes, not the game.

I get what you're saying at some level, but this defense stretched to its logical conclusion is that any form of media can't be critiqued because it is representative of the culture that made it, which no one is forcing you to enjoy.

Expressing our opinions on this is valuable. Culture is partly what we make of it, and there are a lot of voices saying they aren't comfortable with this. I do like anime and Japanese culture, and I don't like the hyper-sexualized character design of this game. This is not suggesting that Takahashi should be drawn and quartered or that the government should censor this game, but rather that this game would have more mass appeal if it took these new western preferences into account. To be clear, I'm not suggesting that it should be forbidden to produce content like this, but rather that an ostensibly mainstream game would likely find more success if it were to adopt mainstream values. There will always be niche games published on various platforms (particularly PC), so this wouldn't be the death of hyper-sexual used character design as a whole.

Values change over time, and the art produced reflects that. That's been a constant throughout human history.

takriel · May 26, 2018

Luis Pereira said:
If you don't like Japanese culture, aesthetics, humour and sexuality, you can always consume something else.

I'm tired of occidentals virtue signaling every time and imposing their cultural moral sensitivity and hypocrisy

Xenoblade 2 is an incredibly good game and completely normal in the Japanese game/anime culture. You should have realized the genre when watching all the trailers and art before buying.

If you don't like anime, the problem is your preferences and tastes, not the game.

It's called critique.

SideMatt · May 26, 2018

Dnomla said:
Very big spoilers about a character. And you're not really anywhere close to that point yet. So, if that's something you care about it's probably not worth a watch yet.

I know about

Pyra and Poppi's third forms

Is it just that or is there more actual plot stuff?

thefro · May 26, 2018

SideMatt said:
I know about

Pyra and Poppi's third forms

Is it just that or is there more actual plot stuff?

There's a pretty fucking big spoiler in the video about another character.

SideMatt · May 26, 2018

thefro said:
There's a pretty fucking big spoiler in the video about another character.

Gotcha, thanks! This is going in my watch later then.

Keldroc · May 26, 2018

PK_Wonder said:
People definitely sexualize the characters in this game a lot which is unfortunate. Pyra, Mythra, Nia, Morag, Brighid, and Poppi are all extremely well developed, independent, and intelligent female characters.

If by "people" you mean "the character designers."

T&A wasn't needed to make XC1 a great game, and it's unnecessary in XC2.

ADee · May 26, 2018

SideMatt said:
I know about

Pyra and Poppi's third forms

Is it just that or is there more actual plot stuff?

More! Much more

Oddish1 · May 26, 2018

I watched this a while ago and it was much more thoughtful than I was expecting. I don't like the thing of using the dictionary as a source but otherwise his criticisms are explained well and he supports his arguments well. This is a subject that tends to make people very reactionary and defensive so his thoroughness in discussing it is appreciated.

RockmanBN · May 26, 2018

Keldroc said:
If by "people" you mean "the character designers."

T&A wasn't needed to make XC1 a great game, and it's unnecessary in XC2.

I adore XB1 but Seven and Sharla have shitty outfits. There's also the Mechanis doctor and Lorithia.

MattWilsonCSS · May 26, 2018

Luis Pereira said:
If you don't like Japanese culture, aesthetics, humour and sexuality, you can always consume something else.

I'm tired of occidentals virtue signaling every time and imposing their cultural moral sensitivity and hypocrisy

Xenoblade 2 is an incredibly good game and completely normal in the Japanese game/anime culture. You should have realized the genre when watching all the trailers and art before buying.

If you don't like anime, the problem is your preferences and tastes, not the game.

Please tell me this is a parody because I'm not hip with all the 'forum memes'

ShinySunny · May 26, 2018

SideMatt said:
How big are the spoilers? I'd like to watch the video, but I haven't gotten past chapter 4 yet.

Like 1% spoil about Poppi forms that you have probably already saw.

Anyway, people need to stop using sexual art design to discredit the characters themselves.
Can we talk how all the women are strong willed, independent and beating the crap out of anyone that tries to mess with them?
Especially Mythra and Morag.

The only analogy I can make of this repeated topic is basically like shaming female celebrities for dressing a revealing outfit even though these celebrities are promoting female empowerment against the elite Hollywood establishment in telling them what they can and can't wear.

I know some will say an artist is drawing them so they make the decision in drawing their character, and the character has no saying in it so they hate that fact. (Of course, it is an inanimate drawing. How would it make that decision?)
But from that perspective, it is the same to me in which a beautiful lady makes the decision in how to dress up and how they want to present themselves to the world. But now, there is someone across the street or on social media will start harassing her for her choice to dress up and shaming her because she showcases her God given beauty for everyone to see.

I don't know, does that make sense?

Deleted member 11413 · May 26, 2018

RockmanBN said:
I adore XB1 but Seven and Sharla have shitty outfits. There's also the Mechanis doctor and Lorithia.

The Mechanis doctor literally has jiggle physics. In the cutscenes.

treble · May 26, 2018

Luis Pereira said:
If you don't like Japanese culture, aesthetics, humour and sexuality, you can always consume something else.

I'm tired of occidentals virtue signaling every time and imposing their cultural moral sensitivity and hypocrisy

Xenoblade 2 is an incredibly good game and completely normal in the Japanese game/anime culture. You should have realized the genre when watching all the trailers and art before buying.

If you don't like anime, the problem is your preferences and tastes, not the game.

If you think video games and anime are above reproach, your aesthetic sensibilities are the ones that need to evolve.

Although the fact that you're using the term "virtue signalling" suggests you are probably making a disingenuous argument from the start.

Vinnk · May 26, 2018

Xenoblade 2 was my 2017 Game of the Year. Love the story. Love the characters. The battle system is fun beyond belief.

That said, there was no need for some of those costumes. The characters were so good they didn't need an extra hook.

It saddens me that the costumes have kept people from playing what is otherwise an absolutely fantastic game. So I hope Monolith will continue the series but have either more reasonable costume design or at least allow people to configure their characters clothing how they want (Like in XCX).

I hate that every conversation on XC2 degrades into a talk about Pyra's boobs. There is so much more to the game. So I hope the next game tones down the costumes. Not to censor the Japanese creators intent when the game is localized but rather that the costumes are reasonable from the get go.

Notaskwid · May 26, 2018

ShinySunny said:
I don't know, does that make sense?

No.

UltraGashInferno · May 26, 2018

Luis Pereira said:
If you don't like Japanese culture, aesthetics, humour and sexuality, you can always consume something else.

I'm tired of occidentals virtue signaling every time and imposing their cultural moral sensitivity and hypocrisy

Xenoblade 2 is an incredibly good game and completely normal in the Japanese game/anime culture. You should have realized the genre when watching all the trailers and art before buying.

If you don't like anime, the problem is your preferences and tastes, not the game.

good post, will print out, have it framed, and mounted over the fireplace

Menx64 · May 26, 2018

I understand his points but I dont agree. This is a world where playing violent games is the norm, but a bit of fanservice gets called like it is the worst thing ever.
I do agree tho that over sexualization of minors is a thing in Japan and that is creepy and gross.

Deleted member 11413 · May 26, 2018

ShinySunny said:
Like 1% spoil about Poppi forms that you have probably already saw.

Anyway, people need to stop using sexual art design to discredit the characters themselves.
Can we talk how all the women are strong willed, independent and beating the crap out of anyone that tries to mess with them?
Especially Mythra and Morag.

The only analogy I can make of this repeated topic is basically like shaming female celebrities for dressing a revealing outfit even though these celebrities are promoting female empowerment against the elite Hollywood establishment in telling them what they can and can't wear.

I know some will say an artist is drawing them so they make the decision in drawing their character, and the character has no saying in it so they hate that fact. (Of course, it is an inanimate drawing. How would it make that decision?)
But from that perspective, it is the same to me in which a beautiful lady makes the decision in how to dress up and how they want to present themselves to the world. But now, there is someone across the street or on social media will start harassing her for her choice to dress up.

I don't know, does that make sense?

The problem with this line of thinking is that you are equating calling out harmful objectification with sex negativity. As you say, a grown woman can make decisions for herself regarding what she wants to wear. And in doing so, she isn't inviting harassment and anyone who does harass her is wrong. These characters aren't real people with agency, they are fictional creations meant to appeal to a certain audience and illicit a certain response. In doing so, they contribute to the rampant sexualization and objectification of female characters in the medium.

Now, there is a debate to be had over sexuality vs. objectification, where the line is, and whether or not any attempt at creating a sexually appealing character is harmful or acceptable. There is really no widespread agreement on this subject, which characters like Bayonetta make obvious (many people find her empowering and enjoyable, many others find her tasteless and objectifying). However, Xenoblade Chronicles 2's designs are rather out of place and run the gamut of slightly pandering to incredibly questionable, none of which is remotely necessary for the game and in fact undermines much of its characterization. At the end of the day, this is just one person's opinion and critique. You don't have to agree with it, but you should give it some consideration and reflect on it and how it compares to your views.

PK_Wonder · May 26, 2018

Keldroc said:
If by "people" you mean "the character designers."

T&A wasn't needed to make XC1 a great game, and it's unnecessary in XC2.

I did *not* mean the character designers. I mean players who look at these characters and problematically assume that "T&A" is all they are and all they are meant to be. That design theory may or may not apply to some of the awkwardly designed Rare Blades who have less developed personalities, but it does not apply to the main characters.

Also I find the premise that the original designer can sexualize an original character questionable. If it's an established character such as Zelda or Peach who was not showing skin or given disproportionate curves to begin with, and then they receive them in a later design, sure that's sexualizing. But these are the final, original designs. Nobody sexualized them. The design as is is how they were designed to be. You can argue the series became sexualized compared to a previous entry, but not the new characters.

Edit: was mistaken about one of the primary art designers being a woman.

SideMatt · May 26, 2018

Menx64 said:
I understand his points but I dont agree. This is a world where playing violent games is the norm, but a bit of fanservice gets called like it is the worst thing ever.
I do agree tho that over sexualization of minors is a thing in Japan and that is creepy and gross.

I mean one of them directly plays into the way we view 50% of the world's population and the other doesn't. The issue isn't that there's any sexual content at all and is still typically much more than a "bit of fanservice."

There is, however, definitely a discussion to be had on the perception of taboos regarding general sexual content versus violent content.

RalchAC · May 26, 2018

Luis Pereira said:
If you don't like Japanese culture, aesthetics, humour and sexuality, you can always consume something else.

I'm tired of occidentals virtue signaling every time and imposing their cultural moral sensitivity and hypocrisy

Xenoblade 2 is an incredibly good game and completely normal in the Japanese game/anime culture. You should have realized the genre when watching all the trailers and art before buying.

If you don't like anime, the problem is your preferences and tastes, not the game.

I like anime. The designs in that game are still embarrassing. I've been watching anime and reading manga for over 12 years and I've always been able to come across shows and works that didn't contain this type of rampant sexualization.

The idea that "this is what anime is about" talks more about your tastes than anything else. And I'm not even going to enter into this false cultural relativism that somehow people love to use to avoid any kind of criticism of a product they like.

Some of my favorite works ever (anime/manga or otherwise) are Full Metal Alchemist, Tokyo Ghoul and the original Digimon Adventure. Those are mainstream pop-culture products in Japan and don't feature the same stuff you're defending.

If you seriously consider a bunch of traits employed by niche anime to cater to a specific but really profitable subset of fans to the detriment of everything else to be a sign of what "Japanese culture" and "anime" is about, your loss. You're missing the Forest for the trees .

Deleted member 11413 · May 26, 2018

PK_Wonder said:
I did *not* mean the character designers. I mean players who look at these characters and problematically assume that "T&A" is all they are and all they are meant to be. That design theory may or may not apply to some of the awkwardly designed Rare Blades who have less developed personalities, but it does not apply to the main characters.

Also I find the premise that the original designer can sexualize an original character questionable. If it's an established character such as Zelda or Peach who was not showing skin or given disproportionate curves to begin with, and then they receive them in a later design, sure that's sexualizing. But these are the final, original designs. Nobody sexualized them. The design as is is how they were designed to be. You can argue the series became sexualized compared to a previous entry, but not the new characters.

Also worth noting that, while men came up with and approved the concept art of course, the illustrator of some of the main female characters (including Pyra and Mythra), is a woman.

Saito, the character designer of all the main characters (including Pyra and Mythra) is a man. You are mistaken. Some female artists did character designs for the blades, and yes some of those designs were pandering and sexualized. Women can create objectifying designs just like men can, and their art can be critiqued like any other artist's work.

The problem is that the designs themselves inform how the player should view these characters, as they were clearly designed to be overtly sexually appealing to straight men. That's why Pyra has enormous breasts and a visible thong and booty shorts. All of that is intentional, it didn't magically appear on the page.

Edit: https://www.nintendo.co.uk/News/201...-Xenoblade-Chronicles-2-part-one-1311795.html
This is an interview about the character design process Saito did with Nintendo. Just in case you needed proof that he is indeed a man, and also a little insight into the design process.

Dnomla · May 26, 2018

RockmanBN said:
I adore XB1 but Seven and Sharla have shitty outfits. There's also the Mechanis doctor and Lorithia.

And

Vanea

and Meyneth

Everyone has the right to voice their thoughts on this issue, but when it comes to this specific game I don't really see XC2 being any worse than past Xeno games. I don't know what it is about this game that sends people into this non-stop discussion.

Deleted member 11413 · May 26, 2018

Dnomla said:
And

Vanea

and Meyneth

Everyone has the right to voice their thoughts on this issue, but when it comes to this specific game I don't really see XC2 being any worse than past Xeno games. I don't know what it is about this game that sends people into this non-stop discussion.

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is definitely worse in this regard. I'm a fan of both games but it is completely obvious why Xenoblade Chronicles 2 generated a lot more discussion on this issue than past Xeno games.

Rahxephon91 · May 26, 2018

Luis Pereira said:
If you don't like Japanese culture, aesthetics, humour and sexuality, you can always consume something else.

I'm tired of occidentals virtue signaling every time and imposing their cultural moral sensitivity and hypocrisy

Xenoblade 2 is an incredibly good game and completely normal in the Japanese game/anime culture. You should have realized the genre when watching all the trailers and art before buying.

If you don't like anime, the problem is your preferences and tastes, not the game.

This is fucking bullshit.

Lyng · May 26, 2018

I love the game and would have given it a 10 if not for the gross sexualization on some of the blades.

Johann Mistletoe · May 26, 2018

Luis Pereira said:
If you don't like Japanese culture, aesthetics, humour and sexuality, you can always consume something else.

It's not Japanese culture, it's otaku culture if anything. Whether or not it's normal doesn't give it a pass, either. The whole point of criticizing it is to want creators and gamers alike to be better than this.

ShinySunny said:
Anyway, people need to stop using sexual art design to discredit the characters themselves.
Can we talk how all the women are strong willed, independent and beating the crap out of anyone that tries to mess with them?
Especially Mythra and Morag.

The only analogy I can make of this repeated topic is basically like shaming female celebrities for dressing a revealing outfit even though these celebrities are promoting female empowerment against the elite Hollywood establishment in telling them what they can and can't wear.

There are a lot of sexualized characters across all media who have plenty of meaningful qualities which make them appreciable, personality traits and their capability being great examples. However, it's the creators' fault for subverting or contradicting those qualities by creating poor design choices like sexualized outfits/body language and objectifying camera work.

Sexualized characters and a real life woman dressing in revealing clothing are not analogous at all. Shaming a woman for something like that is shitty behavior, while shaming a video game character ignores who decided to make those design choices.

Dmax3901 · May 26, 2018

Luis Pereira said:
If you don't like Japanese culture, aesthetics, humour and sexuality, you can always consume something else.

I'm tired of occidentals virtue signaling every time and imposing their cultural moral sensitivity and hypocrisy

Xenoblade 2 is an incredibly good game and completely normal in the Japanese game/anime culture. You should have realized the genre when watching all the trailers and art before buying.

If you don't like anime, the problem is your preferences and tastes, not the game.

The idea you would call an hour-long, well-reasoned and in-depth critique of a game "virtue signalling" tells me all I need to know about you.

Donkusei said:
Boring... Please stop.

What a contribution, next time do us all a favour and don't post.

Nightbird · May 26, 2018

I recently finished Xenoblade Chronicles 2, and I was actually planning on doing a LTTP on it (spoiler: I loved it)

But some of the designs man, it's really not enjoyable. Especially with Pyra and early Mythra.

I really tried to ignore the silly designs, told to myself "it is what it is", but the game would continously shove those into my face.

One instance that annoyed me a lot and was especially jarring was

When Pyra was Speaking with Brigid about her Memories, and there was that side-shot panning over her ass.

This difference in tone between what the was trying to tell me vs. what it was showing me made it impossible to take it seriously.

Now luckily Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is a very long game, and the total number of scenes like that can be most likely counted on one hand, but it also is something that has no reason to exist.

But yeah, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is very good JRPG with a very good story and some very questionable design choices.

Oh yeah: I really, really loved the point in the beginning about Malos and Mytrhas design. I wished Nomura designed all the main cast (except Zeke and Morag, those two are perfect)

Karasseram · May 26, 2018

The sexualisation in this game ruined it for me which is heartbreaking since ive been a fan of takahashis work since xenogears. This pandering to otaku can go fuck itself.

Falk · May 26, 2018

Luis Pereira said:
If you don't like anime, the problem is your preferences and tastes, not the game.

Anime was much better in a time before it was outright embarrassing to say you're into anime.

Yarbskoo · May 26, 2018

Keldroc said:
If by "people" you mean "the character designers."

T&A wasn't needed to make XC1 a great game, and it's unnecessary in XC2.

Oddish1 · May 26, 2018

Nightbird said:
I recently finished Xenoblade Chronicles 2, and I was actually planning on doing a LTTP on it (spoiler: I loved it)

But some of the designs man, it's really not enjoyable. Especially with Pyra and early Mythra.

I really tried to ignore the silly designs, told to myself "it is what it is", but the game would continously shove those into my face.

One instance that annoyed me a lot and was especially jarring was

When Pyra was Speaking with Brigid about her Memories, and there was that side-shot panning over her ass.

This difference in tone between what the was trying to tell me vs. what it was showing me made it impossible to take it seriously.

Now luckily Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is a very long game, and the total number of scenes like that can be most likely counted on one hand, but it also is something that has no reason to exist.

But yeah, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is very good JRPG with a very good story and some very questionable design choices.

Oh yeah: I really, really loved the point in the beginning about Malos and Mytrhas design. I wished Nomura designed all the main cast (except Zeke and Morag, those two are perfect)

That scene you're talking about, I think it's actually supposed to be focused on Pyra's hands, not her butt. I rewatched the scene to be sure and I think that's the intent. The problem is that Pyra's design is so sexualized that even when framed neutrally the framing still comes across as sexualized because that's just how she's designed. I've noticed other people singling out that scene for the same reason so it's a pretty easy assumption to make.

Mauricio_Magus · May 26, 2018

The only blade I can't stand is the Dahlia, what a bad design.

Murasaki · May 26, 2018

I didn't finish the game and while this issue wasn't the foremost factor in my decision to drop it, it certainly influenced it.

Nia's transformation was pretty much the last straw, especially given how much I liked her character

For me, the problem wasn't simply XC2's character designs, in large part it was the way the leering camera made me feel complicit. I really liked the cast of this game :(

Dnomla · May 26, 2018

Lord of Ostia said:
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is definitely worse in this regard. I'm a fan of both games but it is completely obvious why Xenoblade Chronicles 2 generated a lot more discussion on this issue than past Xeno games.

It has done very well, so it's naturally going to be talked about a lot more, but I'll still have to disagree. I think it's mainly how colorful, more cartoony and bright the game is, not so much the character designs themselves that garner so much attention.

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