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Madjoki

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I just got this Valve Press email, I don't know if they have a press site :

Steam Link App for iOS Rejected by Apple


On Monday, May 7th, Apple approved the Steam Link app for release. On Weds, May 9th, Valve released news of the app. The following morning, Apple revoked its approval citing business conflicts with app guidelines that had allegedly not been realized by the original review team. Valve appealed, explaining the Steam Link app simply functions as a LAN-based remote desktop similar to numerous remote desktop applications already available on the App Store. Ultimately, that appeal was denied leaving the Steam Link app for iOS blocked from release. The team here spent many hours on this project and the approval process, so we're clearly disappointed. But we hope Apple will reconsider in the future.

EDIT : beaten :D
 

Molto

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Oct 27, 2017
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Unfortunate but not surprising considering it's Apple. This app was basically too good to be true. I wonder if anything could get them to reconsider?
 

RedMercury

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I got confirmation earlier that chromebooks are not supported, even though they run android and have the play store. I'm really disappointed, that was the whole reason I was excited for this. I don't get why not, it's android and they are supporting android.

Huge value add for Chromebooks
I was just about to say the same thing. I just switched to a Chromebook and while I love it I missed having Steam so this is welcome news.

It's especially shitty because it almost works perfectly, it's so close.
 

Pixieking

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Oct 25, 2017
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Any way we can make our displeasure heard with Apple, or do we just have to rely on the media and Valve?
 

Pixieking

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https://www.apple.com/feedback/itunes.html

Select "request an application" and fill in the details

Cheers. Here's what I wrote:

With regards to Valve's Steam Link app, I wish to voice my displeasure at Apple's rejection of this app that I was looking forward to immensely.

"Apple revoked its approval citing business conflicts with app guidelines that had allegedly not been realized by the original review team" and Valve's subsequent appeal was dismissed. However, this seems entirely illogical given that an app that does everything the Steam Link app did - Moonlight Game Streaming - has been on the App Store since November 2015.

I hope that Apple will reconsider their decision shortly.

And then in "Description"
"The Steam Link app is available free of charge, streaming your Steam games to phones, tablets, and TV. No download or service fees apply."

https://store.steampowered.com/steamlink/about

I'll send this on my own account and my wife's. First time I've regretted being an Apple-only household. :(
 

gameguy682

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I managed to try this on my Sony TV (I think its the x850c, its Android based) and it worked fantastically. It did give me a warning that the app wasn't tested on it.
 

KoopaSwitch

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Jan 17, 2018
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Amazing how people attack apple when Valve did not design the app by Apple's guidelines.

I'm sure they'll fix it. Really a shame since I recently downloaded Steam and got a few free games and was looking forward to trying it out.
 

tuxfool

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Amazing how people attack apple when Valve did not design the app by Apple's guidelines.
Fuck Apple's greedy and shortsighted guidelines.

As it is perfectly clear, Valve attempted to follow the rules, but the nature of steam and the app makes it impossible.

They can't fix it if apple decided that this specific remote desktop tool violated their guidelines.
 

Pixieking

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Amazing how people attack apple when Valve did not design the app by Apple's guidelines.

There's also the more direct example of R-Play, an app that provides similar functionality as Steam Link but for the PlayStation 4, in lieu of an official app from Sony. It streams games over a network from the PlayStation 4 to an iPad, complete with the ability to access the on-console game store, with nothing to block access at all.

Valve may have not designed within guidelines, but I think it's fairly excusable of them to have said to themselves "This other app does this exact thing and is allowed on the Store, therefore ours should be fine".
 

KoopaSwitch

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Fuck Apple's greedy and shortsighted guidelines.

As it is perfectly clear, Valve attempted to follow the rules, but the nature of steam and the app makes it impossible.

They can't fix it if apple decided that this specific remote desktop tool violated their guidelines.




Apparently Valve still left in the ability to buy through the app. That's a violation of Apple's guidelines.
 

zychi

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Y'all think if Apple made a game and put it on Steam and it allowed game purchases, Valve wouldnt want a cut? Lmao

The tribalism for shitty corporations on the internet is so weird
 

tuxfool

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I could be misunderstanding it, but there is STILL the ability to buy something from the App regardless of what they are saying was disabled (not everything 100%).

If true, its not up to Apples guidelines.
Notice how you're not only ignoring the points above about remote desktops. I should also point out that Moonlight isn't banned, and one can buy games through that.
 

KoopaSwitch

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Notice how you're not only ignoring the points above about remote desktops. I should also point out that Moonlight isn't banned, and one can buy games through that.

Remoting into a desktop is pretty different from what the Steam App is. I can remote into a desktop and do a million things. If I'm using the Steam Link app its to directly access Steam and Steam only.

I'm sure Valve will comply with Apple's guidelines just like everyone else does in due time.
 

tuxfool

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Remoting into a desktop is pretty different from what the Steam App is. I can remote into a desktop and do a million things. If I'm using the Steam Link app its to directly access Steam and Steam only.

I'm sure Valve will comply with Apple's guidelines just like everyone else does in due time.
Nah, you can use the steam link to access your desktop. That is precisely one of the workarounds used to buy games.

Or they just won't bother with Byzantine and irregularly enforced rules. What is it with Apple people and being such sticklers for rules that harm them personally.
 

zychi

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tuxfool

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Shrug.

These have since been removed by Google
They clearly must have looked at it, if they removed them?

Needless to say there are plenty of ripoff and garbage apps on the Apple store, the much vaunted curation isn't doing much about those...

I mean, if you're gonna try and pretend you arent beating a drum against Apple in this thread with all of your posts, you sure fooled me
Nah, I clearly have something against them in this instance. The issue isn't my bias, it is your stated position of neutrality.

If you care about Apple, just say so. But don't pretend you're above it all.
 
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zychi

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Shrug.


They clearly must have looked at it, if they removed them?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
get security firms to do the work for Google. I'll gladly support an app store ran by a company that doesnt give a shit about whats there.

I wonder if their drones will have malware and viruses too?

If only they had the money for quality control and people had hate boners for them like you do with Apple
 

tuxfool

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What does the discussion of malware have to do with Valve, an extremely known entity
No idea.

I mean one has to go through such ridiculous lengths to make the case that because android supports something, it is clearly tainted. "Our lord and saviour Apple doesn't have that, so clearly they were correct in blocking the steam link."

If only they had the money for quality control and people had hate boners for them like you do with Apple

I don't see how nursing such a victim complex on behalf of Apple is helping you make your point.
 
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Y'all think if Apple made a game and put it on Steam and it allowed game purchases, Valve wouldnt want a cut? Lmao

The tribalism for shitty corporations on the internet is so weird


Ok captain. Windows, linux, andriod this isnt a problem .... but it is with Apple? Also these games are not running on ios so your comparison is idiotic.
 

zychi

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Ok captain. Windows, linux, andriod this isnt a problem .... but it is with Apple? Also these games are not running on ios so your comparison is idiotic.
Hows the steam remote app in the Windows Store? Running well?

I know, such an idiotic comparison to compare two marketplaces owned by the two companies in question, who both ask for a cut for sales on their marketplace.

Sooo idiotic.
 

MattWilsonCSS

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Hows the steam remote app in the Windows Store? Running well?
And what would the purpose of that be? To stream PC games to one of the 5 people who own a Windows phone? I'm sure they'd submit one to the Microsoft store if there was value in it.

You probably would have had a better argument if you said something like PSN or Nintendo eShop (although Nintendo seems to live in a different universe than Valve OR Apple).
 

Mivey

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Ok captain. Windows, linux, andriod this isnt a problem .... but it is with Apple? Also these games are not running on ios so your comparison is idiotic.
Those are PC operating systems where you are given some freedom (Microsoft might fix this nasty bug with UWP and blocking Win32 some point in the future). On iOS, it's Apple's way or the highway. Since there are comparable apps that went through review just fine, I assume that Apple is afraid this might make some people just use their tablet to play games (which they could, potentially, also buy on the store) from their PC, cutting Apple out. It's not your OS, to do as you like. It's their closed garden, with their rules. You just happen to have their device lying around in your home.
 

zychi

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And what would the purpose of that be? To stream PC games to one of the 5 people who own a Windows phone? I'm sure they'd submit one to the Microsoft store if there was value in it.
No idea? MS has a marketplace they ask for a cut on everything as well.

He said it works on Windows, linux, android. I asked about Windows.

I couldve asked about random linux distro but figured more people use Windows.

Talk to the poster i quoted about his statement
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Hows the steam remote app in the Windows Store? Running well?

I know, such an idiotic comparison to compare two marketplaces owned by the two companies in question, who both ask for a cut for sales on their marketplace.

Sooo idiotic.

Windows store? You can stream from one steam windows pc to another windows pc perfectly fine just through steam. There is ability to do so its a no issue to whatever point you are trying to make.

As far as making the comparison between storefronts. Yeah its not the same thing PC games and mobile games are two different things. Yes some things may over lap but they are in their own environment. So yeah its a pointless comparison that you are trying to shoestring together here as is Apple.
 

MattWilsonCSS

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No idea? MS has a marketplace they ask for a cut on everything as well.

He said it works on Windows, linux, android. I asked about Windows.
I don't think he meant Steam Link specifically worked with Windows, but that PC has historically been an open platform dating back to MS-DOS. An indie developer doesn't have to go through Steam OR Microsoft to publish their game or app. They can do it on itch.io, or their own website. Or Humble Store/Widget. There's lots of options.
 

tuxfool

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The tribalism for shitty corporations on the internet is so weird
I just feel like quoting this again. I feel people need a reminder.

"do as I say, not as I do"

You have Apple fan sites writing editorials that Apple is making the wrong call. I'm not sure why some people feel they have to out orthodox people that live and breathe apple for a living.
 

zychi

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Windows store? You can stream from one steam windows pc to another windows pc perfectly fine just through steam. There is ability to do so its a none issue to whatever point you are trying to make.

As far as making the comparison between storefronts. Yeah its not the same thing PC games and mobile games are two different things. Yes some things may over lap but they are in their own environment. So yeah its a pointless comparison that you are trying to shoestring together here as is Apple.
Apples store isnt an operating system. Neither is Google Store, the comparison is to Windows store, which you said the remote app works fine on windows.

But it doesnt exist in windows store.
 
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Apples store isnt an operating system. Neither is Google Store, the comparison is to Windows store, which you said the remote app works fine on windows.

But it doesnt exist in windows store.
Yeah who cares about windows store. You can still use Steam on windows. You can download it and it works. Apple is preventing it.
 

zychi

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I just feel like quoting this again. I feel people need a reminder.
Clearly a dig at me. After you "shrugged" off my point about Google not giving a shit about their store.

Yep. Its shitty. You can go back through my post history and see my recommendation for google products, sony, nintendo, and recommending raspberry pis.

While you have a hate boner for Apple in your post history.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯