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Coyote Starrk

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This is also another perfect example of why I prefer to not jump to conclusions when questionable allegations arise around a well known person like this.
 

Burly

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Maybe a mod could change the thread title to indicate there is a follow-up article?
 

Lundren

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To shed a bit of light on that quote, since I just got through the article:

Experts estimate that only 3 to 5 percent of sexual assault accusations turn out to be untrue, while only 1 in 1,000 accused rapists end up in jail. Further complicating this, victims sometimes take back their accusations for their own peace of mind.

Now that we're finally listening more to victims, we might risk not being able to finally punish the 97 percent who get away if we get act too hastily. Likewise, we'll greatly disserve justice if we use rare, complex or unclear cases as an excuse to ignore or disbelieve accusers in other cases.

One activist I interviewed while writing this story told me, "If good people like George Takei get mistakenly swept up in the net of #MeToo, perhaps that's a sacrifice they should be willing to make for the cause."

Whether it's appropriate to ask people to make those kinds of sacrifices should be up for debate itself. But one thing is clear: If we let the pendulum of justice swing too far and falsely equate lesser crimes or misunderstandings with more heinous sexual abuse accusations, such sacrifices can easily become moot anyway.

I feel like that makes it sound differently than it did at first glance.
 

Teiresias

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One activist I interviewed while writing this story told me, "If good people like George Takei get mistakenly swept up in the net of #MeToo, perhaps that's a sacrifice they should be willing to make for the cause."

Seriously, fuck this "activist" and the high horse they rode in on.
 

SolidSnakex

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sounds like bullshit to me. I am open to being wrong, but it just feels like ammo to try to discredit MeToo.

To be clear, I mean that specific line, not that the accuser is walking back the accusation.

That's certainly possible, but if not then whoever said htat needs to be known because that's a very dangerous mindset. It also doesn't make sense. There are sadly far too many real examples of sexual harassment/assault, that there's no reason why someone who's innocent should have to "sacrifice" anything. Focus on those that have actually done these things. Plus if there are too many George's, then you're going to run the risk of the entire movement going off rails as more and more people would begin to not believe the real victims.
 

5taquitos

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Yikes, that quote is going to be paraded around by the usual suspects and could do some serious harm to the movement. What a monumentally stupid thing to say.
 

SolidSnakeUS

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That quote is fucking disgusting. I really hope Takei gets the guy back for slander because that's one huge thing to say that turns out to be wholly untrue.
 

Soap

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Oct 27, 2017
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"If one innocent person is accidentally sentenced to death for the greater good then that's an acceptable cost"

Basically the exact same arguement.
 

Lundren

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"If one innocent person is accidentally sentenced to death for the greater good then that's an acceptable cost"

Basically the exact same arguement.

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think that's what was meant.

It did look that way at first, but with the additional context I think it's more along the lines of, "we listen to all accusations, even if they turn out to be false."

But this may be a case of me not wanting to believe someone would say something so stupid.
 

Downhome

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Didn't Takei admit to doing this type of thing on Howard Stern?

Came here to post this. I'm not sure why everyone is instantly saying this is all over, even after he blatantly went on that show that HIGHLY suggested that he did just what this accuser said he did. Heck, going back listening to it, it's not even just suggested. He blatantly admits doing things.

 

witchedwiz

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Oct 27, 2017
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One activist I interviewed while writing this story told me, "If good people like George Takei get mistakenly swept up in the net of #MeToo, perhaps that's a sacrifice they should be willing to make for the cause."
Now I cannot say if takei is 100% innocent or not, but this statement is.. ridiculous.....
 

FireSafetyBear

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Came here to post this. I'm not sure why everyone is instantly saying this is all over, even after he blatantly went on that show that HIGHLY suggested that he did just what this accuser said he did. Heck, going back listening to it, it's not even just suggested. He blatantly admits doing things.



This. He openly admits this.

But you see the true persona of these people who say "slander slander slander!"
"Sue sue sue!!"

Fuck all of you
 

Typhonsentra

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Oct 27, 2017
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I am actually surprised. I thought Takeis reaction to the accusation was sufficiently strange enough to give credibility to his accuser.
 

Squarehard

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Oct 27, 2017
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This. He openly admits this.

But you see the true persona of these people who say "slander slander slander!"
"Sue sue sue!!"

Fuck all of you
Oh yeah, he's basically the next Bill Cosby.

And the only person that accused him since the initial allegations, has recanted his initial accusations.

Also, calm your ass down. What's with all the needless hostility?
 

Jebusman

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Came here to post this. I'm not sure why everyone is instantly saying this is all over, even after he blatantly went on that show that HIGHLY suggested that he did just what this accuser said he did. Heck, going back listening to it, it's not even just suggested. He blatantly admits doing things.



The article (if you read it) points out he explained his time on Howard Stern as playing a "caricature". He was doing a bit for radio.
 

BillyMays

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Didn't Takei admit to doing this type of thing on Howard Stern?

Came here to post this. I'm not sure why everyone is instantly saying this is all over, even after he blatantly went on that show that HIGHLY suggested that he did just what this accuser said he did. Heck, going back listening to it, it's not even just suggested. He blatantly admits doing things.



Is it too fucking hard to read the op or article ?
 

Zoe

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Came here to post this. I'm not sure why everyone is instantly saying this is all over, even after he blatantly went on that show that HIGHLY suggested that he did just what this accuser said he did. Heck, going back listening to it, it's not even just suggested. He blatantly admits doing things.
What did the accuser say he did again?

Did you read the parts of the article going over how the story changed rapidly with each outlet?

And yes, he played up a bit for Howard Stern, because it's Howard Stern.

And that's in the article too:
He also found himself scrambling to explain his participation in a Howard Stern radio bit from October 2017, about a month before the THR story—one of dozens of appearances on the show over the years—in which Takei joked with the shock jock about persuading shy men to have sex with him at his house. Takei apologized, writing, "For decades, I have played the part of a 'naughty gay grandpa' when I visit Howard's show, a caricature I now regret. But I want to be clear: I have never forced myself upon someone during a date."
 

Downhome

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The article (if you read it) points out he explained his time on Howard Stern as playing a "caricature". He was doing a bit for radio.

Anyone who even possibly believes or buys into that explanation is just, I don't know, it's beyond me. He said what he said in the middle of a conversation about Weinstein. Even if it was a bit for radio, a caricature, it just goes to show how where his head is at. Who in their right mind would joke about doing those types of things in the aftermath of the other? Super convenient he said that after everyone started posting the clip everywhere and then after he himself was actually accused of something.

None of us know for sure, I just don't buy all of that, not for a second.
 

Squarehard

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Anyone who even possibly believes or buys into that explanation is just, I don't know, it's beyond me. He said what he said in the middle of a conversation about Weinstein. Even if it was a bit for radio, a caricature, it just goes to show how where his head is at. Who in their right mind would joke about doing those types of things in the aftermath of the other? Super convenient he said that after everyone started posting the clip everywhere and then after he himself was actually accused of something.

None of us know for sure, I just don't buy all of that, not for a second.
You seem to be focusing a lot on the show still, and not on the evidence we have.

An accusation was made, it was the only accusation since it was made, now the accuser recants his statement and note that probably nothing happened.

As you noted, none of us know for sure about the interview he did on the show, so let's just take that part out.

Now, what do we have to speak factually about, as opposed to assumptions?
 

Jebusman

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Anyone who even possibly believes or buys into that explanation is just, I don't know, it's beyond me. He said what he said in the middle of a conversation about Weinstein. Even if it was a bit for radio, a caricature, it just goes to show how where his head is at. Who in their right mind would joke about doing those types of things in the aftermath of the other? Super convenient he said that after everyone started posting the clip everywhere and then after he himself was actually accused of something.

None of us know for sure, I just don't buy all of that, not for a second.

Takei has always played up the stereotypes on Stern. Like, that's specifically been his thing. It was poorly timed considering what was happening at the time, but it's always what he's done.
 

Squarehard

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To takei? Perhaps not; he's famous enough that this should spread easily.
Not necessarily.

Takei is more of a celebrity because of the causes he's been promoting for the past decades.

When it comes to impacting the causes that he's been fighting for all this time, I'm sure it has done a lot of damage to the progress he had made for them up until the time of the accusation.

It's not just about fame with Takei, but it's really the other part, the more political part that was most likely hurt from all this drama, particularly giving the opposition credence during that time to do damage to those causes.

I mean, I hope it hasn't of course.
 

Lost

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That quote can't be real.

The irony of this GIF. Ha, I know it's not intentional but.
 

Zen

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All that was needed was the accusation for people to find an excuse to demonize him. #metoo is hurt by this thanks to that quote.
 

CDX

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But you see the true persona of these people who say "slander slander slander!"
"Sue sue sue!!"

Fuck all of you

I don't know. This seems like a very hostile response to people that read an article and are maybe re-examining a situation where Takei's one and only accuser admits to lying about a coffee shop meeting in his initial press interviews back in November.

Doesn't have memory of Takei touching his genitals at all.

And has statements from toxicologists that date rape drugs didn't work how the alleged victim described in 1981.

And when directly asked if he considers it an attack the victim states "No" "Just an unwanted situation. It's just a very odd event."

http://observer.com/2018/05/george-takei-accuser-scott-brunton-changed-his-story-of-drugs-assault/


"There are drugs today that may do this, but they did not exist [in 1981]," Nelson said.

I shared the toxicologists' observations with Brunton, who admitted that this made him feel better. He was probably right all those years when he thought he was just drunk. He would still never know for sure, but, Brunton said, referring to Takei, "it makes him a little less sinister."





"So…you don't remember him touching your genitals?"

Brunton confessed that he did not remember any touching.





"He was 20 years older than me and short. And I wasn't attracted to Asian men." He added, "I was a hot, surfer, California boy type, that he probably could have only gotten had he bought, paid for or found someone just willing to ride on his coattails of fame."





Brunton told me that he didn't regard Takei as a criminal or an abuser. All Brunton really wanted, he said, was for the actor to say he was sorry.

"Did you consider it an attack, at the time?"

"No," Brunton said. "Just an unwanted situation. It's just a very odd event."

"If he came to you and he said…this was a misunderstanding," I asked Brunton, "would you believe him?"

"Yeah, I would," he said. "But I'd say, 'Are you offering me an apology?' "







And he was sad that Takei claimed not to remember him, even after they came face to face again in the mid '90s in Portland, Ore.

Brunton had told THR that he found Takei's phone number during his 1994 book tour for his autobiography and called, intending to confront him about that night in 1981. "We met for coffee," Brunton said in the THR story, but, "I just couldn't bring myself to do it."

In one of our interviews, Brunton admitted that the coffee meeting never occurred. He said he actually just called Takei's room through the hotel switchboard, and the actor had told him they could chat at a signing event for his autobiography, To the Stars.






Brunton told me. "If it just tarnishes their reputation a little bit, well, that's what you get for doing what you did."

 
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Hopefully Takei can be exonerated fully in the court of public opinion, he is a great man and deserved to be known as such.
 
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