This is also another perfect example of why I prefer to not jump to conclusions when questionable allegations arise around a well known person like this.
Well. Damn.A well-researched update where the accuser walks back some of his allegations:
http://observer.com/2018/05/george-takei-accuser-scott-brunton-changed-his-story-of-drugs-assault/
Oof.
Experts estimate that only 3 to 5 percent of sexual assault accusations turn out to be untrue, while only 1 in 1,000 accused rapists end up in jail. Further complicating this, victims sometimes take back their accusations for their own peace of mind.
Now that we're finally listening more to victims, we might risk not being able to finally punish the 97 percent who get away if we get act too hastily. Likewise, we'll greatly disserve justice if we use rare, complex or unclear cases as an excuse to ignore or disbelieve accusers in other cases.
One activist I interviewed while writing this story told me, "If good people like George Takei get mistakenly swept up in the net of #MeToo, perhaps that's a sacrifice they should be willing to make for the cause."
Whether it's appropriate to ask people to make those kinds of sacrifices should be up for debate itself. But one thing is clear: If we let the pendulum of justice swing too far and falsely equate lesser crimes or misunderstandings with more heinous sexual abuse accusations, such sacrifices can easily become moot anyway.
One activist I interviewed while writing this story told me, "If good people like George Takei get mistakenly swept up in the net of #MeToo, perhaps that's a sacrifice they should be willing to make for the cause."
Sounds like bullshit to me. I am open to being wrong, but it just feels like ammo to try to discredit MeToo.
To be clear, I mean that specific line, not that the accuser is walking back the accusation.
"If one innocent person is accidentally sentenced to death for the greater good then that's an acceptable cost"
Basically the exact same arguement.
Didn't Takei admit to doing this type of thing on Howard Stern?
Now I cannot say if takei is 100% innocent or not, but this statement is.. ridiculous.....One activist I interviewed while writing this story told me, "If good people like George Takei get mistakenly swept up in the net of #MeToo, perhaps that's a sacrifice they should be willing to make for the cause."
Came here to post this. I'm not sure why everyone is instantly saying this is all over, even after he blatantly went on that show that HIGHLY suggested that he did just what this accuser said he did. Heck, going back listening to it, it's not even just suggested. He blatantly admits doing things.
This is why you just don't jump on a accused with just 1 incident without any strong evidence presented.
Oh yeah, he's basically the next Bill Cosby.This. He openly admits this.
But you see the true persona of these people who say "slander slander slander!"
"Sue sue sue!!"
Fuck all of you
Came here to post this. I'm not sure why everyone is instantly saying this is all over, even after he blatantly went on that show that HIGHLY suggested that he did just what this accuser said he did. Heck, going back listening to it, it's not even just suggested. He blatantly admits doing things.
The victim walks back on parts of the accusation and you get mad that people call it slander?This. He openly admits this.
But you see the true persona of these people who say "slander slander slander!"
"Sue sue sue!!"
Fuck all of you
You mean the reaction where he flat out denied it?I am actually surprised. I thought Takeis reaction to the accusation was sufficiently strange enough to give credibility to his accuser.
The article (if you read it) points out he explained his time on Howard Stern as playing a "caricature". He was doing a bit for radio.
Didn't Takei admit to doing this type of thing on Howard Stern?
Came here to post this. I'm not sure why everyone is instantly saying this is all over, even after he blatantly went on that show that HIGHLY suggested that he did just what this accuser said he did. Heck, going back listening to it, it's not even just suggested. He blatantly admits doing things.
What did the accuser say he did again?Came here to post this. I'm not sure why everyone is instantly saying this is all over, even after he blatantly went on that show that HIGHLY suggested that he did just what this accuser said he did. Heck, going back listening to it, it's not even just suggested. He blatantly admits doing things.
And yes, he played up a bit for Howard Stern, because it's Howard Stern.
He also found himself scrambling to explain his participation in a Howard Stern radio bit from October 2017, about a month before the THR story—one of dozens of appearances on the show over the years—in which Takei joked with the shock jock about persuading shy men to have sex with him at his house. Takei apologized, writing, "For decades, I have played the part of a 'naughty gay grandpa' when I visit Howard's show, a caricature I now regret. But I want to be clear: I have never forced myself upon someone during a date."
The article (if you read it) points out he explained his time on Howard Stern as playing a "caricature". He was doing a bit for radio.
You seem to be focusing a lot on the show still, and not on the evidence we have.Anyone who even possibly believes or buys into that explanation is just, I don't know, it's beyond me. He said what he said in the middle of a conversation about Weinstein. Even if it was a bit for radio, a caricature, it just goes to show how where his head is at. Who in their right mind would joke about doing those types of things in the aftermath of the other? Super convenient he said that after everyone started posting the clip everywhere and then after he himself was actually accused of something.
None of us know for sure, I just don't buy all of that, not for a second.
Anyone who even possibly believes or buys into that explanation is just, I don't know, it's beyond me. He said what he said in the middle of a conversation about Weinstein. Even if it was a bit for radio, a caricature, it just goes to show how where his head is at. Who in their right mind would joke about doing those types of things in the aftermath of the other? Super convenient he said that after everyone started posting the clip everywhere and then after he himself was actually accused of something.
None of us know for sure, I just don't buy all of that, not for a second.
Not necessarily.To takei? Perhaps not; he's famous enough that this should spread easily.
A well-researched update where the accuser walks back some of his allegations:
http://observer.com/2018/05/george-takei-accuser-scott-brunton-changed-his-story-of-drugs-assault/
Oof.
To shed a bit of light on that quote, since I just got through the article:
I feel like that makes it sound differently than it did at first glance.
But you see the true persona of these people who say "slander slander slander!"
"Sue sue sue!!"
Fuck all of you
http://observer.com/2018/05/george-takei-accuser-scott-brunton-changed-his-story-of-drugs-assault/
"There are drugs today that may do this, but they did not exist [in 1981]," Nelson said.
I shared the toxicologists' observations with Brunton, who admitted that this made him feel better. He was probably right all those years when he thought he was just drunk. He would still never know for sure, but, Brunton said, referring to Takei, "it makes him a little less sinister."
"So…you don't remember him touching your genitals?"
Brunton confessed that he did not remember any touching.
"He was 20 years older than me and short. And I wasn't attracted to Asian men." He added, "I was a hot, surfer, California boy type, that he probably could have only gotten had he bought, paid for or found someone just willing to ride on his coattails of fame."
Brunton told me that he didn't regard Takei as a criminal or an abuser. All Brunton really wanted, he said, was for the actor to say he was sorry.
"Did you consider it an attack, at the time?"
"No," Brunton said. "Just an unwanted situation. It's just a very odd event."
"If he came to you and he said…this was a misunderstanding," I asked Brunton, "would you believe him?"
"Yeah, I would," he said. "But I'd say, 'Are you offering me an apology?' "
And he was sad that Takei claimed not to remember him, even after they came face to face again in the mid '90s in Portland, Ore.
Brunton had told THR that he found Takei's phone number during his 1994 book tour for his autobiography and called, intending to confront him about that night in 1981. "We met for coffee," Brunton said in the THR story, but, "I just couldn't bring myself to do it."
In one of our interviews, Brunton admitted that the coffee meeting never occurred. He said he actually just called Takei's room through the hotel switchboard, and the actor had told him they could chat at a signing event for his autobiography, To the Stars.
Brunton told me. "If it just tarnishes their reputation a little bit, well, that's what you get for doing what you did."
And are hostile about it. I see FireSafetyBear has since disappeared. I anxiously await his follow-up posts. You know, after reading and comprehending this time.ITT, a bunch of people that've never listened to Howard Stern.
To be fair, it's usually the smart move rather than continuing to dig themselves into a bigger hole.And are hostile about it. I see FireSafetyBear has since disappeared. I anxiously await his follow-up posts. You know, after reading and comprehending this time.
He lost revenue streams because of this. Many people are never going to read the follow up (see how the thread title hasn't been updated). Many people still don't believe him.To takei? Perhaps not; he's famous enough that this should spread easily.