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Gran Turismo SPORT | OT | Putting it all on the line

gutterboy44

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GHG said:
The fact that you need to pay a subscription, then buy cars and tracks on to of that (not to mention the need for a wheel setup) in iRacing helps weed out those who are not serious about the whole thing.

Also in iRacing you can't just hop on and race LMP1 cars from day one, you need to work your way up from the bottom in a safe manner. So when you finally get to drive higher powered cars you should be at the skill level necessary to be able to do so without wrecking yourself and other people.

The races are also far too short in GT sport which promotes "do or die" high risk manoeuvres. The "endurance" daily is the shortest they should be imo. Oh and every race should have live qualifying, not just the FIA dailies.
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During the membership sales, the rookie races can definitely feel like GTS races in terms of the skill level breadth. I am a firm believer in the consequence of damage always being there helps people get better at racing. Just like turning the racing line assist off, you will learn more about the track and how to go faster with it off. I also 100% agree that all GTS races need to be at a minimum of the "endurance" race distance. The lobby system is still super pathetic. A good shuffle mode in there with race playlists would get some rif raf out of sport mode.


On another note, it seems SR doesn't even deduct points for wall collisions, spins or off track events anymore. I didnt qualify and got stuck in the back muck at Tokyo and just said eh fuck it I'll just drift around by myself for fun. I was trying to see the limits of SR and I couldn't get it to deduct anything! I was smashing walls, doing donuts, etc and it was green SR after green SR. No wonder pretty much everyone is SR S with their DR rankings all over the place. I don't know how you can have a system where the best drivers in the game, the A+ are marked as the same sportsmanship as DR C drivers who will push you wide into the grass every time.
 
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Oghuz

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Huh? Just got a clean race notification at the end of the race yet I got a red SR?

I really want more transparency for this system.
 
Konosuke

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Welp, my wheel is fine. Really surprised by the lack of feedback. Maybe with thrustmaster is better?

I would love to have a clean race icon on the HUD during the race. That would help with understanding it better I think
 

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Konosuke said:
Welp, my wheel is fine. Really surprised by the lack of feedback. Maybe with thrustmaster is better?

I would love to have a clean race icon on the HUD during the race. That would help with understanding it better I think
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Check out AC and DR far better feedback. GTS is really week feedback with all wheels I have tried and little to no road feel.

A general rule of thumb with Logitech vs Thrustmaster is that you need to turn the feedback up for Logitech and down for Thrustmaster.
 
Azerach

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gutterboy44 said:
No wonder pretty much everyone is SR S with their DR rankings all over the place. I don't know how you can have a system where the best drivers in the game, the A+ are marked as the same sportsmanship as DR C drivers who will push you wide into the grass every time.
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http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?stat_preset=sr_distribution_sliced

10% of players are SR S. The DR C drivers can barely keep the car between the white lines let alone avoid collision while maintaining line. Best just keep a safe distance until they spin out.
 
gutterboy44

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Azerach said:
http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?stat_preset=sr_distribution_sliced

10% of players are SR S. The DR C drivers can barely keep the car between the white lines let alone avoid collision while maintaining line. Best just keep a safe distance until they spin out.
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10% still seems very high for such a large install base. I don't even know why you can get SR S without being DR A. The two systems are linked as it is. I am not even really sure what the point of either system is these days. SR still seems to match make over DR. DR is a slow grind where I guess it is about wins and not really about your hot lap history? SR is nearly impossible to lose now unless you are doing nothing but smashing into cars every sector. They are starting to feel like the pointless XP bar in Rocket League, where it is just more of a reflection of how often you play the game, not necessarily how good you are. They just need to full on copy the iRacing license and iRating system at this point. This problem has been long solved and GTS trying to stumble through their own system is a waste. As it stands, I can be against DR A drivers who drive worse than DR C drivers and I am against no one but SR S drivers and 3/4 of the field always drives like lunatics. As others have guessed it may be low player base, but I feel like I have seen nothing about how crazy well this game sold. Maybe it is a NA thing? How is it over in EU? Is it a complete crap shoot with rankings and their actual skill level / sportmanship?

Edit: Just looked at that chart, there are two S columns. About 14% are S rank. The system should distribute the drivers better so S is the smallest amount. A rank seems way to thin. Basically if you make A you quickly hit S and then too many pool at the top. The most I have been able to drop in a single race, intentionally dicking around and hitting walls (keeping to my self, not fucking with others) is 3 points. My SR hit 99 easily after starting to play the game again, and I would have to get down to some where in the 70's to drop to A. That is crazy! I would have to play like a nut case for weeks to drop that many points. The last major SR rank drop I had was months ago when I intentionally didn't qualify and drive all over the course to tank my SR because the match making was so bad. It improved since then, but still needs work it seems.
 
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Mutagenic

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Really wish Bathurst would have been on the menu yesterday. I was only able to get one race in today and minimal qualifying time, but started in 12th and made it to 7th. Everyone forgot how to drive during the first lap, causing me to rear-end someone moving at half speed.
 
BradleyLove

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Konosuke said:
Anyone here use a G29? I just got one used and very stunned by the lack of feedback. I come from a Driving Force Pro and that thing was noisy and rumble-y af with GT5.

Is my wheel broken lol? I see lots of people complaining online but I didn't think it was this weak. Currently downloading driveclub to compare.
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I have a G29 and it feels fine to me, but to be fair I have no other frame of reference.

On a separate note, I had a fair few Gr.3 races @ Bathurst tonight and ended the evening with positive SR. Had some really clean racing. Top banana.
 
Azerach

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The FIA practice lobbies are pretty fun. Had a few endurance races this morning, Gr4 Maggiore. It's not very close racing though. The discrepancy of skill without matchmaking makes for somewhat noneventful races lol
 
FeD

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I really don't understand how the penalty system works. Car in #3 goes out in the gras, meanwhile I'm battling with #4 for position. #3 car rejoins the race on the racing line, hits me while I'm trying a move on #4, I get the penalty. Like why the fuck do I get the 4 second penalty when #3 shouldn't rejoin the race on the fucking racing line.
 
Kaze13

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FeD said:
I really don't understand how the penalty system works. Car in #3 goes out in the gras, meanwhile I'm battling with #4 for position. #3 car rejoins the race on the racing line, hits me while I'm trying a move on #4, I get the penalty. Like why the fuck do I get the 4 second penalty when #3 shouldn't rejoin the race on the fucking racing line.
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Yeah I got hit with a similar penalty yesterday. So annoying. Dive bomb into me and I get the penalty. SR points went from 99 to 91 :|

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Made it to SR A after a weekend of races where I didnt place over 6th.

All in all, a win imo
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Congrats! I made it to A a few days ago. Next goal is A+
 
BradleyLove

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I find the DR system a little frustrating.

If you start last and finish, say 11th, so you've made up 9 places—you lose DR. It doesn't take into account at all how many places you gain. That's a little disheartening.
 

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I've been trying to learn how to drive at tc1, usually use 2, it's incredibly frustrating :D

Have been doing the brands Hatch race and it feels faster, when I don't bin it, which is twice a lap.
 
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BradleyLove said:
I find the DR system a little frustrating.

If you start last and finish, say 11th, so you've made up 9 places—you lose DR. It doesn't take into account at all how many places you gain. That's a little disheartening.
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Yes, I also noticed that when I was losing rank despite me finishing several places ahead.
What's the point even to enter without qualifying if the game treats you like that.
 
eyeball_kid

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BradleyLove said:
I find the DR system a little frustrating.

If you start last and finish, say 11th, so you've made up 9 places—you lose DR. It doesn't take into account at all how many places you gain. That's a little disheartening.
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That happened to me often when I was in D/S. I got paired with DR B and C all the time and there was no way for me to get in the top 10 let alone top 5. I think there should be some reward for gaining places, even if it's not DR. Like cash bonuses or something.
 
Oghuz

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BradleyLove said:
It's my experience that crossing track limits (when it results in a penalty) reduces SR.
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Same thing happened again yesterday. I had no penalties whatsoever. No track cutting either. Other cars drove into me but they were the ones who got a penalty. Yet in the end I also got a red SR.

I genuinely miss GT Sport of 2017. I enjoyed the game so much more back then despite its faults, at least the penalty system wasn't this inconsistent and disproportionate.
 

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BradleyLove said:
I stick with TC2 for most cars tbh. I could either spend what time I have learning better throttle control, or I can have fun instead. Fun wins.
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It's part of me trying to learn to be more gradual with my inputs, 25 years of using controller buttons as on off switches means I'm incapable of gradual breaking and steering etc, which means I get smashed in our group races!
 
eyeball_kid

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moley moley moley said:
It's part of me trying to learn to be more gradual with my inputs, 25 years of using controller buttons as on off switches means I'm incapable of gradual breaking and steering etc, which means I get smashed in our group races!
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Needing precision trigger inputs is compounded by the fact that GTS introduced a non-linear throttle. It's completely bizarre that PD did that, but it means depressing the trigger by 40% does not equal 40% throttle application.
 
Konosuke

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Using the right stick for throttle has served me well. Getting used to a wheel is hard, my SR is tanking
 

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moley moley moley said:
It's part of me trying to learn to be more gradual with my inputs, 25 years of using controller buttons as on off switches means I'm incapable of gradual breaking and steering etc, which means I get smashed in our group races!
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I only use controller too, but think that the Xbox does a better job with the rumble triggers in Forza. You can feel when brakes are starting to lock up or tires are spinning to help you learn where to feather the inputs.
 
BradleyLove

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eyeball_kid

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The only thing I wanted from that app is to see the current races. And yeah, having the Discover feature on mobile would have been great to browse through liveries.
 
Mush

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I thought we'd see the 787B way before any of those Group C cars since it's arguably the most famous of all.
 

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moley moley moley said:
I'd love a wheel setup but I think my wife would kill me :D
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The Playseat challenge is what you need.

My wife hated my wheel setup until I got one of those. Folds away discreetly into a cupboard within a minute, folds out within a minute and doesn't look like a metal contraption like the wheel stand Pro (what I previously had) does. She's not once complained about the challenge but she used to complain all the time about the wheel stand pro and as such I wouldn't use it much (honestly, I think how it looked and the fact I used to have to take a chair from elsewhere in the apartment had something to do with it).
 
JamboGT

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I think in retrospect the 787B is maybe more infamous due to the rotary but the other cars were a lot more successful against their peers.
 
Kaze13

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Still no S2000 makes me sad. Also, I tried the VR time trial yesterday and was instantly faster. Beat my fastest times by a second or so. Also, I had a horrible time with the F40 before this. If felt like it had terrible brakes and just got loose everywhere. Best time I put down on Tsukuba was a 1:58. With VR? 1:52. Everything just felt better! I could feel the car do it's dance. The boost kicked in and I "felt" it. The brakes felt manageable. So, my question is this, is there a lot of aide's built in with VR mode?!
 
Kaze13

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Mush said:
The lack of Honda's in the updates we've had thus far has been a surprise frankly. I'm surprised we've haven't seen a NA1/2 NSX, DC2/5 Integra or the EK Civic Type-R as well as the aforementioned S2000. Or even the S660.
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...Holy shit. Those cars didn't even register even though I own both the S2 and the Integra!!!! Now I'm even more sad.
 
tmkn

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Idk, first time driving the RB Junior, pretty fun actually, was the slowest to qualify since I only had 2 laps but managed to finish 15th.
 
BradleyLove

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Man, today's Monza endurance race is a real SR killer (S > B), but is it ever great fun. So satisfying starting at the back and working the way through the field.
 
Mutagenic

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I heard degree of rotation for the t300 is supposed to automatically change with the class of car driven, but mine seems to stay the same. I'd prefer less degrees with the faster cars.
 
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