If y'all are in this thread, own a PS4, and don't have Resogun, idk what you're doin tbh
HDR Voxels baby!
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HDR Voxels baby!
Hawk needs a Redbox but for TVs
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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He's literally the dude in the business case for why that Samsung 24 mo trade up program exists.
For my conundrum never mind, it was a false choice. although brickseek claimed a WM near me had 4 of the 6290 for 399, I couldn't find any, and the employee who halfheartedly checked the back for me claimed they had none and "we put all our clearance TV's out over the weekend".
It seemed too good to be true. a Samsung 65" for 399 is going to get snatched up FAST by joe average who doesn't care about HDR specs.
It seemed too good to be true. a Samsung 65" for 399 is going to get snatched up FAST by joe average who doesn't care about HDR specs.
lol. I have a very understanding wife so that helps. I have no real vices other than wanting really good TV for my Gaming/PC gaming. I have always been that way and I cant really count the number of TV's I have had. My usual upgrade was every 2 years or so, then over the last 6 years it has been yearly and within the last year or so it was even more. Again and understanding and tolerant wife is making this easier for me.
I don't know what I will do when Sony does announce the ZDF. Well, I think some of you do know what I will do!!!! LMAO
As good as the Z9 is, and even if they do improve on the next flagship LCD, it will still be an LCD and will have all the limitations of before, so I will be sticking with OLED. Once you've gone black.....
Once you have used a good LCD that has good amount of zones, good motion, good scaling and SDR/HDR brightness that cant be touched by any OLED you will understand. OLED has limitations as well, let's not get carried away here. All kidding aside, there are some fantastic OLED's and fantastic LCD's, both have certain limitations. As I stated before...if the ZD9 and the LG 8 Series could mate and produce a TV it would be the shit! :)
I love all of this OLED talk...but in my budget range (not enough for a C8, by far) and region (not North America, so yeah, forget massdrop etc) I'm strongly considering the Sony X9000F (I guess X900F in the US). Seems like it could still be a great set that's worry free for my family, and nice HDR for games, but a step back in response time compared to my W800C? I hear the app performance is still garbage though?
Yup, that's a good summary.
Still prolly the best bet in its class, unless you can find a 900E
I consider the Z9 as good as LCD is right now, and I wouldn't swap even my B6 for it. As you say, we all have different priorities and mine align with OLED more than LCD right now.
I'll keep an eye out if there's one cheap, but the HDR perf looks pretty good on the F so hard not to settle for a 2018 TV. I can't believe these guys still have app performance problems though. My W800C (or was it B?) is pre android and it was like using an iPad 1 today for web browsing. Best I've seen was a floor model E7, but (a) $2800 and (b) I'm guessing I'm probably right to be afraid of OLED floor models...
Yep. Would not do a floor model without a warranty. (Beyond mfg)
900E is 90% of what the 900F can do (except missing DV). Not sure about where you're at, but in the US 65X900F was ~2300 while the 900E was ~1500. That's where the incremental 800 gets hard to justify. Again, outside US I know things can be way different.
That being said, yep, HDR on the 900F is super solid. And yes, Android TV is a shit show (owners here can comment, plenty have felt it lacking).
If you're willing to spend for a 900F, it's really the only 2018 in it's class. TCL is amazing for the price, but will underperform the Sony. OLED and Q9 will outperform but are way more.
Could snatch a 930E if you found one cheap enough too (has DV)
Goddamn it watched Blade Runner 2049 in HDR, and wasn't impressed. I really think I won't be able to notice good HDR In movies. Only movie I was blown away by which was in Dolby Vision was Avengers Infinity War but that was in Dolby Cinema. Anyone go from LED to OLED, and were blown away by HDR?
Well just got quoted for professional calibration by Vincent for a C7 including day, night, HDR and Dolby Vision.
*gulp* it's not cheap but so so tempted. Just have no idea how I could get it past the missus. She is already 'concerned' by the amount of tweaking I been doing..
"Oh honey ignore the nice man playing around with the TV. How long will he be here? Oh about another 4 hours...How much? Tut tut how crude a question..."
*gulp* it's not cheap but so so tempted. Just have no idea how I could get it past the missus. She is already 'concerned' by the amount of tweaking I been doing..
"Oh honey ignore the nice man playing around with the TV. How long will he be here? Oh about another 4 hours...How much? Tut tut how crude a question..."
There was some kind of 3 year warranty, but it's been on the floor for probably at least six months? The built in front firing speaker was honestly pretty compelling, but I don't think I would throw more than 2 grand at a used product. I will say though, I was pretty impressed how the salesman immediately pointed me at the C8 and loaded RTINGS right on it, unprompted :lol
Yeah, in Singapore generally you can't find TCL/Vizio, and the dollar to dollar is about 1.5x more but some things like TVs are just more, period. Best "advertised" price on the 9000F here is $3000, but at a local shop I can probably negotiate down some. C7 and C8 are both $4200+. At that amount it's almost bridging the gap to the Sony OLEDs...
I really am enamored with how good OLED looks on the C7 and A1, but I don't have a dark room for it and there's definitely the kids/netflix factor. I did the whole Plasma thing back in the PS3 era (Pana TH42) but I think sitting out the image persistence might be a good idea for next time somebody leaves the TV on or paused for a few hours. And I'm wall-limited to 55" so that rules out some of the crazy stuff anyway.
Lol as they say... same game just the names are changed.
Been a fan of Vincent for a while would almost be like celeb calibration for me...
Maybe as birthday gift...to myself!
E: £400 Including travel from Manchester
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I just got the Sony 65" 930e delivered today. I sold my 55" B7 to purchase it.
So...no regrets. It was a pain in the ass to set up, but from the distance I sit and with the lighting I have (I never play in a pitch black room) the blacks are pretty much OLED level. I have local dimming set to medium-high. I am very familiar with OLED black levels and I see no perceivable difference. When something is mastered to look black, letterboxes and such, it just looks black.
Any amount of haloing/blooming I've noticed is very minor overall. No real issues with my screen really.
I am appreciating the extra brightness (I do not have maxed outside of HDR) which contributes to minimizing of clipping compared to the OLED while retaining a nice bright pic, and lack of ABL. Also the fact that I won't have to be messing with the settings a lot for gaming anymore. I was never 100% satisfied with the OLED regarding that, whereas I think with the 930e the settings seem *nearly* perfect and palatable out of the box without much need to adjust.
Also of course the 65" is more immersive, but that's independent of the actual features of the TVs.
So far I've checked out Horizon, GoW, regular TV and YouTube. Looking forward to checking out more content with this bad boy.
So...no regrets. It was a pain in the ass to set up, but from the distance I sit and with the lighting I have (I never play in a pitch black room) the blacks are pretty much OLED level. I have local dimming set to medium-high. I am very familiar with OLED black levels and I see no perceivable difference. When something is mastered to look black, letterboxes and such, it just looks black.
Any amount of haloing/blooming I've noticed is very minor overall. No real issues with my screen really.
I am appreciating the extra brightness (I do not have maxed outside of HDR) which contributes to minimizing of clipping compared to the OLED while retaining a nice bright pic, and lack of ABL. Also the fact that I won't have to be messing with the settings a lot for gaming anymore. I was never 100% satisfied with the OLED regarding that, whereas I think with the 930e the settings seem *nearly* perfect and palatable out of the box without much need to adjust.
Also of course the 65" is more immersive, but that's independent of the actual features of the TVs.
So far I've checked out Horizon, GoW, regular TV and YouTube. Looking forward to checking out more content with this bad boy.
MicroLED will shit on both from a dizzying height. Samsung just needs to get these sets out quick.
Having lights on makes a huge difference in perceivable black level, sounds like it makes sense for you, personally I only use my TV at night, and always have to keep the lights off, so I'd always go self emissive, but horses for courses n all that.
Anyone have an issue with crushed blacks while using the hbo go app on the ps4 with the LG C7? It doesn't matter what picture mode I have the TV set to, only that I have the Black Level set to Low. If I turn it to HIGH, it allows me to see everything, but the picture ends up being super washed out. Every calibration setting I've found online says to keep the Black Level to Low, so I don't know if it's just the app or something else. The PS4 says it's in the 4.2.2 color mode while this is happening since the app doesn't put the tv into HDR mode, if that matters.
What RGB range is your PS4 outputting? Full or limited?
Ultimately if black level low/high doesn't fix the picture it sounds like an issue with the app.
commercially affordable mLED is likely 8-10 yrs out. That was discussed here around CES time.
It's the content.
GoT looked like shit last year. WW looks like shit this year. It's all SDR and 1080p; it's not 4K. It's noisy with compression artifacts etc.
They're just bad. I'm using hbo via the amazon prime app built into the C7 so I can tell you it's not your PS4 or what you're sending to the TV. Sonys with smooth gradients fair a bit better, but it's probably been the most disappointing part of stepping up to 4K. Hbo is behind the ball.
Not too sure friend. It does have the best of both LED and OLED in one panel. Apparently its cheaper to manufacture than OLED but we will see. New stuff is always expensive
Ah i see. Thanks for the heads up. Had no idea its a long way off.
I'll have to check tomorrow, but I thought it was set to Auto. If that's not an option, the it's probably Full.
Yeah i noticed this while watching the last episode of West World. All the night scenes were just so dark, I was missing out on half the detail.
You need to set your PS4 to limited if using Black Level Low on your TV. I find auto is unreliable. I set to limited and use BL low.
That can't be the issue though since you've changed black level.
Yep, so much of last week's episode was at night I stopped it and tried to fiddle for 30 minutes. It's impossible to raise the detail without "greying" your blacks. And when you do get a bit more detail, there's all kinds of noise and artifacts in the picture.
This was discussed here (or, at the old place "here") heavily last year when the most recent season of GoT was airing. A bunch of us compared notes and arrived at it looking frustratingly bad, regardless of app and source device.
You may be able to tweak some small things but it's honestly a real letdown, considering the output from Netflix with stuff like Altered Carbon and prime with stuff like the Grand Tour.
If new GoT airs next year and it's not in 4K/HDR (esp with S1 out on UHD disc in June), disappointed will be an understatement...
I'm kind of hoping that OLED ends up being like plasma where it just sort of goes away and LG's competitors move forward more aggressively with MicroLED.
If this industry can milk a technology for a decade and get away with it, they will. OLED is just fundamentally flawed. MicroLED is everything you want about OLED without the downsides. Burn in, weird issues with varying lifespans depending on the color, color filters, etc. Just nonsense. It's beta tech IMO. Not really ready for consumer products.
Going along with that, I'm pretty disgusted by this industry's rollout of HDR. It's just been a catastrophe. No standards, bizarre issues with having to "enable" HDR in buried settings in your TVs to even activate it (Uh, it's a TV. Why isn't it just on? So dumb.). And don't even get me started on the miserable cable bandwidth issues that have been crippling quality for over a decade. If your display can't handle the feature with lossless RGB, I don't even consider your display as having the feature. It's fake.
Im playing Horizon in HDR Game mode. Had to turn on dynamic contrast and raise the color levels to get it to look right. But it looks nice and theres hardly any imput lag. I love my E6. I can even turn on 3d and play like that.
I was not aware the 6 series could actually "add 3D" effect to games. That's cool. Does it work well enough?
£400 As he will have to travel down to London (he's based in Manchester).
I mean at that price your paying for the experience.. crack a few beers.. gossip about a few other sites...maybe a photo for the scrap book?? You know make a day out of it.
Yeah it's cool. Works well with some games.whats cool is that it ads AA somehow because it splits the image than upscales. I used to have a 3D monitor and used the feature a lot for the added aa. On this tv I just enable it as a novelty.
Maybe Hawk's wife just wants him to find the perfect gaming room set so he'll get out of her hair :p
EDITed post but to save you scrolling £400, would be slightly cheaper if your closer to Manchester.
It also depends on your 4k Player, they produce different outputs. But i stumbled upon a german site and used those settings for reference:
http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-145-8102-4.html
Settings are always up to personal taste and I still optimize here and there.
Got my B7 set up. It's such a huge upgrade compared to my 43 inch Sony X800D. Screen size alone is wowing me.
I had planned on going through and demoing a bunch of content. Ended up just watching the Rockets/Warriors game (I really appreciated the size bump with a basketball game) and playing Destiny 2.
Dear God, I thought the HDR on my Sony was incredible on Destiny 2 but it's a whole other level on this set. The particle effects really pop, especially when you defeat a baddie.
It almost seems too bright, though. I might need to dial the settings in.
Does anyone use their One X as both their Bluray player and console? I use an AppleTV for all my streaming, so I can safely have dedicated settings for that. But for my One X is there a way to toggle game mode on for games and leave it off if I'm watching a movie? I had it off last night and didn't notice any negative impact while playing Destiny 2 and I don't play any games competitively so I'll probably just leave it off.
As far as picture settings go.. I find Standard and Cinema look the best to me. Part of me wishes things weren't so modifiable because it's really stressing me out thinking I'm not getting the best or most accurate picture.
I had planned on going through and demoing a bunch of content. Ended up just watching the Rockets/Warriors game (I really appreciated the size bump with a basketball game) and playing Destiny 2.
Dear God, I thought the HDR on my Sony was incredible on Destiny 2 but it's a whole other level on this set. The particle effects really pop, especially when you defeat a baddie.
It almost seems too bright, though. I might need to dial the settings in.
Does anyone use their One X as both their Bluray player and console? I use an AppleTV for all my streaming, so I can safely have dedicated settings for that. But for my One X is there a way to toggle game mode on for games and leave it off if I'm watching a movie? I had it off last night and didn't notice any negative impact while playing Destiny 2 and I don't play any games competitively so I'll probably just leave it off.
As far as picture settings go.. I find Standard and Cinema look the best to me. Part of me wishes things weren't so modifiable because it's really stressing me out thinking I'm not getting the best or most accurate picture.
Yup I have a 65 930e in the living room, and it is just stupid amazing for any HDR content. I recently got a 55inch B7 in the man cave and its a beast of a tv, but I've been spoiled by the brightness in HDR game mode of the 930e (its atleast a non factor, because I do play in a dark room with black out curtains). The local dimming on the 930e is wizard work, and beats out FALD sony tvs (900e/900f) Nothing out there touches OLED in a dark rooms setting, which is perfect for my man cave. Im glad you're liking the 930e though, it really is awesome.
Hey Bud just remember that out of the box settings are not horrendous on these sets. Control the ambient light in the room, and don't lose true black thinking you are crushing details. That infinite contrast ratio creates the pop.
Also have two presets for daytime and night time viewing which you can switch on the fly.
Personally I like gamma 2.4 (which is closer to 2.2 according to calibration tests) for a dark room.
Also OLED light, the higher it is the more ABL will activate and posterization on SDR content. Personally 40 for a dark room or lower and no higher than 65 in a bright room. HDR is different so expect light and contrast to be at 100.
After all my tweaking I only deviated slightly from brightness 50 (most important setting) by 2 or 3 points either way depending on mode, gamma and environmental lightning.
I know it is easier said than done but for first few days enjoy the TV... you need a couple 100 hours under your belt before you can really tweak the panel.
Hope that helps a little.
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