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NYT: We Sat Down With the 'Arrested Development' Cast. It Got Raw
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Do you hear yourself? I know it's the internet but geez, man. Why are you yelling at people and saying things like 'who gives a shit about your experience'
Cursing out and belittling your opponent in an argument is unedifying
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And that is an incredibly reductive view of TDLink's posts. But beyond that, even if you're right and it's deserving of criticism, can't you people do that with a modicum of respect?
Seriously. Seems like you have to be careful what you say about a celebrity's experiences but you have free reign to downplay fellow posters' experiences while abusing them
Ugh. Exactly what my earlier post was talking about. I guess it lifted already. Not sure if it was reversed or if a 1 day ban ends at midnight or something, because TDLink is unbanned now apparently.
But either way.
This board is shockingly unkind a lot of the time. Makes it hard to participate.
Yeah, in the end Era's OT is just about as toxic as Gaf's was. I guess it's all the same users so it can't be helped, but it would be great if more people would at least try to take a step back and look at themselves.
On topic: Glad Bateman clarified and apologized. I wonder if we'll hear anything from Cross?
Well Jason Bateman did the right thing and apologize. It sounded sincere and also he didn't use the word "but" at any point in those tweets. However, part of me thinks if there wasn't an uproar about this, would he even acknowledge what he did was wrong? It goes to show you that you really can't keep tight lipped about all of the wrong doings if you want things to change.
The important thing is that I hoped he has apologized to Jessica about this personally, face to face.
The important thing is that I hoped he has apologized to Jessica about this personally, face to face.
It's pretty hard to learn from your mistakes if you don't know they are mistakes. Sometimes you just don't know you hurt someone. Everyone has their own issues and we can never really tell where someone's head is at. Bateman was caught up on a bad track here and it clearly blinded him.
Often we need to be told by others what we did was wrong. Humans have a lot of terrible impulses especially when relating to other humans. Civil behavior has to be taught, unfortunately.
I have a hard time reading this correctly. Can't listen to the audio files since I'm at work atm.
Yes, it's horrible to downplay the instance and normalize it for the sake of a clean PR tour.
But I don't feel like the public is the right place to discuss any of this. While verbal harassment shouldn't be coughed at, this incident sounds like it happened one time (correct me if I'm wrong) and should be handled by the persons involved. With a mediator or neutral person present if necessary. Especially if they not only consider each others colleagues but friends/family. They should absolutely not normalize this kind of behaviour and what Bateman did in this interview is the wrong move entirely -no matter the intention- but it sounds like Tambor and Walter would have worked that incident out themselves.
Yes, it's horrible to downplay the instance and normalize it for the sake of a clean PR tour.
But I don't feel like the public is the right place to discuss any of this. While verbal harassment shouldn't be coughed at, this incident sounds like it happened one time (correct me if I'm wrong) and should be handled by the persons involved. With a mediator or neutral person present if necessary. Especially if they not only consider each others colleagues but friends/family. They should absolutely not normalize this kind of behaviour and what Bateman did in this interview is the wrong move entirely -no matter the intention- but it sounds like Tambor and Walter would have worked that incident out themselves.
I'm glad Bateman apologized and actually addressed some of the missteps, but this bit doesn't sit well (no pun intended) with me. It clearly was insensitive to her so saying that he isn't like that in general seems pretty stupid.
Glad Bateman apologized. It's admittedly a low bar, but his apology, at the very least, appears to acknowledge how what he was doing was fucked up.
This is a brilliant post and perfectly -- and thoughtfully -- explains why rationalizing with "but this thing is normal in the entertainment business, really" is simply not good enough or warranted in this case.
That interview has an incredibly weird vibe about it. Like a child actor prepped for an interview, or everyone except Walters was replaced with Stepford Wives.
After reading the entire thread, this can't be stressed enough.
Yup. A good apology doesn't make it better, it just means you managed to not dig the hole any deeper with a bad apology.
Nobody that spends an entire interview making excuses for abuse and gaslighting the victim learns their lesson and changes overnight. I'm gonna need to see more than a nicely crafted apology before I believe he actually gives a shit about this beyond the effect on his own public image.
This is where I'm at too. I really disagree with the conclusion TDLink arrived at, but it sure is ridiculous if that's what got her banned.
Bateman was SO overt and really went out of his way to do what he did and I think that says a lot. This is all without even getting into the sexual harassment allegations, which they completely avoided, but it does make his vehement defense even more questionable.
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Bateman sounded like he was in PR mode the entire interview and wasn't sure how to reckon that with Walter actually being honest and emotional. His apology is good but there was such an uproar about it that I don't think he had any other choice but to issue an apology.
I think Bateman clearly fucked up and was right to apologize. However, I must say — and I am in no way making excuses for Bateman here — he has agency, he was clearly insensitive to Jessica Walter — but I couldn't help but wonder if the reason Bateman was so aggressively obtuse and insentive and also bizarrely fawning/overly diplomatic towards Tambor was because he was on eggshells about setting Tambor off. Like, maybe Tambor *hasn't* dealt with his shit and remains the active source of the problem. As a person with experience tiptoeing around raging alcoholics, something about all that felt unhappily familiar.
I might be totally misremembering this, but I believe I've seen an interview with Batemen where he basically said Tambor is something of a father figure to him. I think the most likely explanation is he just likes the guy.
Fair enough. That is probably the most plausible explanation.
Bateman listened to his interview. He heard his words and how he responded. That with the blowback made this a no brainer. He acknowledged is behaviour, he apologized.
I'm good.
I'm good.
Great to see Tony Hale apologizing as well. Still it sucks this was done because the fallout rather than they realized they were insensitive at that moment.
I have this suspicion that Tambor and Cross won't even comment about this publicly because of the way they are.
Do people really not see the irony in saying Batemen was wrong and then immediately turning around and excusing TDlink when they're doing literally the exact same thing? Not being able to take some brash language in an online argument is not the same as being yelled at at work and people treating me like I was "yelling" and "abusing" are being absurd. Grow the fuck up.
I admit I went overboard and this morning have cooled off so I apologize, but let's be real, if all you see when you read these arguments is tone, then you need some reflection on what you actually care about.
I admit I went overboard and this morning have cooled off so I apologize, but let's be real, if all you see when you read these arguments is tone, then you need some reflection on what you actually care about.
Weirdly given the background Tambor came off better than most of the male cast where the discussion of that specific AD incident was concerned. He spoke largely to address questions directed at him, seemed contrite and admitted his behavior was unacceptable, said he'd only hire someone with his background if they'd said they'd accepted their mistakes and made efforts to course-correct, and voiced support for Walter. Tambor in context of the interview alone comes off relatively well, while Tambor/Bateman/Arnett seem more interested in normalizing the behavior. In the larger context, Tambor and the gap between what he claims happened on Transparent and the experiences of the trans women he assaulted is a giant fucking problem that will deservedly loom in the background over his career, but I'm not sure anything he said in this interview re:Walter is something he'd need to apologize for.
The apologies from the male cast thusfar are encouraging; hopefully they are sincere and will force people to reevaluate their standards for acceptable work idiosyncracy. Some level of friction is inevitable, but accepting that things will occur doesn't mean defending them when they do or trying to normalize them when they hit extremes. Walter felt the level of hostility was outside the bounds of 'normal' unpleasantness, and there's no real gain in Bateman or Arnett trying to shrug it off as Hollywood. She has chosen to try to personally forgive Tambor, but that's no reason to pretend his actions prior were not beyond the pale and unacceptable. It is worrying that the knee-jerk reaction from some of the cast was to try to normalize it, instead of taking the Tambor route of acknowledging it happened, that it was a problem, and it was not the kind of person he wanted to or should be.
They could still all be lying, but the apologies don't try to excuse their behavior, which is a good start.
He sounds like one of those guys who'd deny that what he/they did was gaslighting until you pointed out that other people have noticed as well. Then he would either become silent or apologetic. It's kind of hard to tell if he's sincere when he originally showed lack of compassion and empathy for someone who had been abused.
It is a good start. I need to see some future actions from him to demonstrate that he gets it.
Can you help me understand where this is coming from? I agree with the rest of the post, this is extremely shitty behavior from the male members of the cast and Jessica Walter deserves absolutely none of what she experienced, but I'm not really sure what they're doing to give the implication that they don't support trans-women.
User banned (3 days): Attempting to religitate prior ban
Thank you to all the people who have been kind and supportive of me in this thread.
I guess the one day ban was either lifted or only lasted a few hours or something -- whatever the case, I think it's pretty ridiculous that I was banned for my posts in this topic. Unlike some other posters, I didn't personally attack anyone or try to dismiss their personal experiences. Just discuss the subject of the topic in a civilized manner using my own experiences to support my arguments.
But it's clear that the moderation team here doesn't want a real discussion with differing viewpoints to take place, just a dog pile of judgment.
One poster on the last page said I shouldn't have to "recede out of the internet", but I think it'd be unwise of me to stay here in this topic any longer -- because it's simply not worth it, I don't want to catch additional bans over this discussion. And I think my continued presence is derailing the thread, and for that I truly apologize. So I won't be replying (other than this general reply) to each of the people who quoted me, even though I normally would.
On the actual topic, the last thing I'll say is that Bateman's apology is about the best anyone could reasonably hope for. I don't know what else people would want out of him at this point.
And now I'll let you guys get back to your dog pile.
I guess the one day ban was either lifted or only lasted a few hours or something -- whatever the case, I think it's pretty ridiculous that I was banned for my posts in this topic. Unlike some other posters, I didn't personally attack anyone or try to dismiss their personal experiences. Just discuss the subject of the topic in a civilized manner using my own experiences to support my arguments.
But it's clear that the moderation team here doesn't want a real discussion with differing viewpoints to take place, just a dog pile of judgment.
One poster on the last page said I shouldn't have to "recede out of the internet", but I think it'd be unwise of me to stay here in this topic any longer -- because it's simply not worth it, I don't want to catch additional bans over this discussion. And I think my continued presence is derailing the thread, and for that I truly apologize. So I won't be replying (other than this general reply) to each of the people who quoted me, even though I normally would.
On the actual topic, the last thing I'll say is that Bateman's apology is about the best anyone could reasonably hope for. I don't know what else people would want out of him at this point.
And now I'll let you guys get back to your dog pile.
Is there any more information regarding the outburst Tambor had with Jessica Walter? This interview was the first time I had heard of it.
If it was lifted, that means only one moderator had that opinion and the moderation, as a team, actually found that you had done nothing wrong. Your voice is officially as welcome here as it is anywhere else.
The only good thing in this entire interview is that Alia Shawkat is there and she's awesome.
The three female characters are my favourite part of the show, even though Maybe is regularly pushed on the side. I hope the three actresses won't have to suffer mansplaining douches in the future.
As for the others behaving like assholes and then apologizing on twitter... I guess the PR team of Netflix is having a busy busy day.
The three female characters are my favourite part of the show, even though Maybe is regularly pushed on the side. I hope the three actresses won't have to suffer mansplaining douches in the future.
As for the others behaving like assholes and then apologizing on twitter... I guess the PR team of Netflix is having a busy busy day.
What the hell is this suppose to mean? Am I to expect Tarantino to be a serial killer? Maybe Fincher does it as well? Or what about Christian Bale? Ridiculous thought process, jesus...
Bateman seemed to believe pretty convincingly about what he was telling her so I'm not buying the apology as anything more than trying to save his ass. As for what I expect him to do other than apologize, well I don't expect him to do anything more. I see this as him being exposed and apologizing to save face that's all. This show is done the funny is gone imo.
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Wow I had not kept up and just listened to the audio...
Woof.
I'm shocked at how they did not have more empathy for Walters, I don't understand it.
It was hard to listen to.
Before looking into the thread I thought it was just a case of Bateman sticking up for a friend but that became very dark.
They all seemed like fine people I'm not sure what's going on.
Woof.
I'm shocked at how they did not have more empathy for Walters, I don't understand it.
It was hard to listen to.
Before looking into the thread I thought it was just a case of Bateman sticking up for a friend but that became very dark.
They all seemed like fine people I'm not sure what's going on.
Tambor himself brought it up first in the Hollywood Reporter piece not long ago.