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Spying on Linda Sarsour: Israeli Firm Compiled BDS Dossier for Adelson-funded U.S. Group Battling Her Campus Appearances

rael Cyber Shield (ICS) delivered the dossier to the pro-Israel Act.IL group, which used it as the basis of a campaign to discourage U.S. colleges from allowing the pro-BDS activist to speak on campus. Act.IL's CEO, Yarden Ben Yosef, confirmed to Haaretz that his group receives materials from ICS.
A document describing its work with the Strategic Affairs Ministry reveals its only activity is fighting the delegitimization of Israel. It has been allocated 128 million shekels ($36 million) from the ministry's coffers over three years. An equivalent amount, or more, is expected to be raised from donors, though the corporation is expected to continue operating according to the ministry's orders.
Sarsour is a well-known figure in the United States, and not only because of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. She is co-chair of the Women's March movement and spoke at its main Washington rally after Donald Trump's inauguration in January 2017. She has been harshly critical of Israel and was quoted as saying that a person can't be feminist and Zionist at the same time.
A student who volunteered with Act.IL told Haaretz that the material it received on Sarsour included a password-protected file containing information on her parents, and another file with more than 10 pages all marked "Confidential." Aside from information taken from her social media accounts and press interviews, the file also included legal information related to a court case she was involved in.

It is clear the material on Sarsour was systematically organized. The dossier concluded with an executive summary that highlighted her apparent weak points.

Act.IL used the information to prepare a letter that was distributed via its app to the heads of universities where Sarsour had appeared, as part of a broader campaign – in which IAC was also a partner – to try to prevent U.S. colleges extending invitations to the pro-BDS activist.
Allegations in the Sarsour file included a story that she applauded violence toward Israeli soldiers, and another saying she wrongly claimed Israeli soldiers had murdered a knife-wielding Palestinian teenage girl, when actually she had been wounded. Another document claimed that Sarsour was photographed next to a man who had raised funds for Hamas. She was also quoted as having tweeted, "Nothing is creepier than Zionism." Other tweets in the file showed Sarsour's alleged support for Sharia law and an attack on a woman who had undergone female circumcision.

Haaretz reached out to various people involved in Israel's anti-BDS efforts, but it was clear none wanted to discuss ICS.
Israel spying on US citizens now. Cool cool.
 

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So obvious.

We saw these attacks play out in a totally planted and state-sponsored way across conventional media, social media, and even here (even supported by certain mods, such that calling out the stories was a bannable offense).
 

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Are the allegations fake (This isn't a loaded question, I honestly don't know)?

The "allegations" are snippets of tweets taken wildly out of context and used to push a false narrative.

Without big money and reprehensible political operatives continuously pushing the stories to the front, they'd pass by without comment, let alone [manufactured] outrage.

In the East, Israel sends assassins to literally murder pro-Palestinian voices. In the West, Israel sends character assassins (and money) to discredit and blacklist them.
 
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Squarehard

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Fuck Israel tbh, if the west actually cared about human rights abuses they would be boycotting them like what happenned with Apartheid South Africa
 
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You guys are acting like this is on the level with the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to get damaging info on Hillary Clinton. Who really cares about Linda Sarsour? If you support Sharia law and Saudi Arabia's legal system then YOU ARE NOT A FEMINIST.
 

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You guys are acting like this is on the level with the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to get damaging info on Hillary Clinton. Who really cares about Linda Sarsour? If you support Sharia law and Saudi Arabia's legal system then YOU ARE NOT A FEMINIST.

If you actually believe Sarsour supports those things, then you've fallen for the propaganda campaign, at least as hard as voters fell for Russian disinformation in 2016.
 

Quixzlizx

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The "allegations" are snippets of tweets taken wildly out of context and used to push a false narrative.

Without big money and reprehensible political operatives continuously pushing the stories to the front, they'd pass by without comment, let alone [manufactured] outrage.

In the East, Israel sends assassins to literally murder pro-Palestinian voices. In the West, Israel sends operatives and money to discredit and blacklist them.
OK, so it's opposition research rather than fake news. Any astroturfing they do is more insidious than that.
 

Chikor

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You guys are acting like this is on the level with the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to get damaging info on Hillary Clinton. Who really cares about Linda Sarsour? If you support Sharia law and Saudi Arabia's legal system then YOU ARE NOT A FEMINIST.
So in a thread about a smear campaign that was designed to divert the discussion from an important issue toward personal attacks you're going to use the exact same oppo research to try and divert the discussion from the issue at hand?

That's almost impressive.
 

FeistyBoots

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User Banned (1 Week): Agreeing with a Conspiracy Theory about Moderation/Site being part of an Israeli plot
So obvious.

We saw these attacks play out in a totally planted and state-sponsored way across conventional media, social media, and even here (even supported by certain mods, such that calling out the stories was a bannable offense).

Wow.

Shame on those mods for abusing their power.
 
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So in a thread about a smear campaign that was designed to divert the discussion from an important issue toward personal attacks you're going to use the exact same oppo research to try and divert the discussion from the issue at hand?

That's almost impressive.

Sarsour dismissed a sexual harassment allegation by someone who works under her by saying that it couldn't have happened because she was fat? Not something a feminist would do at all.
 

Cocaloch

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Sarsour dismissed a sexual harassment allegation by someone who works under her by saying that it couldn't have happened because she was fat? Not something a feminist would do at all.

The fact that you can't understand the irony in this being your reply to what that poster said is exactly what they are talking about.

So now the mods of this forum are now involved in this grand Jewish conspiracy?

Straight to the antisemetic strawman. Truly a breathtaking display.

It's not about conspiracies, it's about this being a tough situation and the discourse around it being even more difficult than that toughness requires. Coupled with the fact that mods are humans this means mistakes will be made.
 
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jeelybeans

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Pretty obvious Israel will do anything and everything to ensure there aren't strong voices in the US speaking truth about their genocide, so this doesn't surprise me. But it is really unfortunate because a lot of people look up to Linda and the fact that there's a disinformation campaign against her is really sad.
 

Chairman Yang

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So in a thread about a smear campaign that was designed to divert the discussion from an important issue toward personal attacks you're going to use the exact same oppo research to try and divert the discussion from the issue at hand?

That's almost impressive.
If (IF) a smear campaign is accurate, and the person is reprehensible, then sorry, it's not a "diversion" from the discussion. It's an important part of that discussion.
 
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No, you have not addressed what people have actually said in this thread. I'm not sure why you think you could convince people that you did. You came in here and immediately started talking about something else.

I'm talking about how Sarsour is actually a horrible person. It is absolutely relevant to this discussion. You don't need a "dossier" for that and nothing illegal has occurred here.
 

Kirblar

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There's a Snopes page on some of this stuff with is helpful w/ disentangling it. https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/01/25/womens-march-organizer-linda-sarsour/

There are legitimate issues and concerns people have had/still have with her over the years. But they're not the bottom-feeding chain email from your racist uncle stuff in the OP that's absolutely ridiculous.

edit: the exchange where Jake Tapper called her out over a tweet commemorating a controversial figure and she responded by calling Tapper "Alt-Right" is one of those issues/concerns that very much isn't an invention of right wing propaganda.
 
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Chikor

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If (IF) a smear campaign is accurate, and the person is reprehensible, then sorry, it's not a "diversion" from the discussion. It's an important part of that discussion.
Listen, it's not like this company was hired to create a fair assessment of the BDS movement, it was hired to find dirt on people in it so that we can talk about said dirt rather of the issue at hand. And you know what, if Linda Sarsour was running for office and I had to decide about whether or not I vote for her that's one thing, I would still be very suspicious of information that comes from a source that makes Fox News seem fair and balanced, but if it might have some value. But I'm not going to play alone with yet another attempt to use this shit to divert the discussion away from an important issue, and I think the fact that foreign players are digging dirt on american citizens in order to try to discredit political positions they don't like is an important enough issue to discuss.
 

Dehnus

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You guys are acting like this is on the level with the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to get damaging info on Hillary Clinton. Who really cares about Linda Sarsour? If you support Sharia law and Saudi Arabia's legal system then YOU ARE NOT A FEMINIST.
WOW! Hon, please read your own reply here. I am sure Linda Sarsour and her loved ones care about her. But hey, let's drive her into hiding or better yet suicide. Jeez man.... Really..... fuck off.

This is gamergater type of shit, like what they did to Anita Sarkeezian after the same kind of disinformation was spread.
 

marrec

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There's a Snopes page on some of this stuff with is helpful w/ disentangling it. https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/01/25/womens-march-organizer-linda-sarsour/

There are legitimate issues and concerns people have had/still have with her over the years. But they're not the bottom-feeding chain email from your racist uncle stuff in the OP that's absolutely ridiculous.

edit: the exchange where Jake Tapper called her out over a tweet commemorating a controversial figure and she responded by calling Tapper "Alt-Right" is one of those issues/concerns that very much isn't an invention of right wing propaganda.

She clearly shouldn't be in a leadership position of any Women's Rights organization, imo.

Any strong religious affiliation cannot square with women's rights.

Israel wasted their money trying to smear her when she's pretty effective at doing it to herself.
 

Jag

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Also, pour one out for the brothers getting banned. Y'all tried.

Tried? Tried to prove that moderation of this website was influenced by a secret Israeli plot? Is that what they tried to do?

BDS is a worldwide organized and well funded organization. There is nothing wrong with the target of BDS taking steps to protect themselves from it's hatred and bigotry.
 

Inuhanyou

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Anyone surprised? Anyone?

The first problem however is the absolute idiocy that is people thinking BDS is not a legitimate counter to Israeli war crimes and illegal occupation of other people's land

If your a supporter of Israeli's right wing government's actions to the people of Gaza, you have no grounds to talk in any measure about human rights
 

sirap

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Tried? Tried to prove that moderation of this website was influenced by a secret Israeli plot? Is that what they tried to do?

BDS is a worldwide organized and well funded organization. There is nothing wrong with the target of BDS taking steps to protect themselves from it's hatred and bigotry.

LOL. That's rich, but I guess this is better than bullets and white phosphorus.

Good one mate.
 
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WOW! Hon, please read your own reply here. I am sure Linda Sarsour and her loved ones care about her. But hey, let's drive her into hiding or better yet suicide. Jeez man.... Really..... fuck off.

This is gamergater type of shit, like what they did to Anita Sarkeezian after the same kind of disinformation was spread.

Linda Sarsour has made herself a public figure and she is not above criticism. I would never condone the kind of death threats and constant harm like that which Ayaan Hirsi-Ali has to face.
 

THE GUY

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Tried? Tried to prove that moderation of this website was influenced by a secret Israeli plot? Is that what they tried to do?

BDS is a worldwide organized and well funded organization. There is nothing wrong with the target of BDS taking steps to protect themselves from it's hatred and bigotry.
Just lol at this post.
 
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Sarsour doesn't need a government body putting in work to discredit her. She does that on her own. There's no conspiracy regarding her own words and support of disgusting people like Farrakhan.
 

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Pro Israeli groups were caught doing reprehensible shit here in the UK too, they're known to manoeuvre politically to silence or undermine legitimate Palestinian support (close or redirect funds for Palestinian causes) or critics that bring their atrocities to light. Preeti Patel, Conservative MP was caught negotiating official UK policies in Israel without notifying UK government of her trips. She has lobbied to reduce funds for Palestinians, who barely have anything. Foul women.