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You must have been reading the wrong thread. We're not discussing whether or not the wife is allowed to have heterosexual friends. We're discussing whether heterosexual friends can take multi-day leisure trips together when they have other spouses which is a completely different situation.
No, I'm fully aware of what the thread is about. And I don't know who "we" is, because the separate discussion I was having with Mammoth Jones didn't involve you at all. What he and I were discussing was whether it's okay for your spouse to spend time with a heterosexual friend of the opposite sex. If you completely trust your spouse, as well as the person they will be spending time with, and if you've had a talk with them beforehand about it, then I see no problem with them taking a multi-day leisure trip together. So long as the matter is clearly communicated amongst all parties involved, what is the issue?
 

Filipus

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Just talk to your wife if you ever do feel some insecurities related to this.
In my opinion there is a fine balance between trust and our partner not putting him/herself in situations that could be dangerous. And it's between the couple to determine where those lines are and respect the other side.

You know, I don't think I would ever cheat on my SO but why put myself in the situation of having Shakira in my bedroom practicing her new dance routine? That's just asking for trouble. And if I felt confident enough that I would 100% not cheat but my SO asked me to not do it, I wouldn't do it out of respect (and expect her to do the same).

To illustrate my point.
 

Jadusable

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Why even take the time and effort to create and post this thread if it didn't bother you at all in the first place?
 

SideMatt

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We have people in this very thread talking about their experience with people who were faking it being gay. I think there was also another guy, didn't find his post.
I mean yeah, but still, don't fucking do that because chances are that they are probably gay and you're just being an asshole by questioning that.
 

TaterTots

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We have people in this very thread talking about their experience with people who were faking it being gay. I think there was also another guy, didn't find his post.

Hopefully I'm not dog piled, but this stuff can happen. I knew a guy once who claimed he was gay, but then fell in love with a woman and was helping raise her child. He later had sex with her brother and that was over. Some people are still trying to figure out everything is all.
 
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I have no qualms about spending time with other dudes and even sharing hotel beds to save money, because cheating on my SO is something so alien that it would never even cross my mind. "Putting myself in a situation where I could cheat" is just not even a remotely plausible thing.

If anything it is your way of doing things that are mindblowing, to be honest. I mean it's cool that you have that kind of flexibility with your SO, but to feel uncomfortable having your SO sleeping with the opposite sex in the same bed is not something that is "weird", if anything that is the more common reaction for most people.
 

NO!R

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Yeah, not buying this whole "we're comfortably committed to each other and also with checking out on 1-on-1 vacations with the opposite sex" story.

Like, why would I choose to take some girl out on a trip instead of the one I'm committed to and puts up with me on the daily? How off-putting would that be? We chose to be together. That's more than fucking each other exclusively. That means we do COUPLE stuff together. Big friends reunion/gatherings and road trips? Totally different. If I wanna go on a private, bonding trip, I'm not choosing some random friend (unless it's a bro trip), over her. She deserves the break more, and again, commitment doesn't only mean "we don't fuck other people".

Same goes vice versa.

Fuck that noise.

Sorry, but I think these more open-minded, trusting considerations only apply to more sexually fluid people. Or people in open relationships and shit.

In a straight relationship it's more red flags than minesweeper on expert.
 

xxracerxx

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Can't speak for other posters, but I find it odd that he talks as though he'd enjoy the trip, but he isn't going and instead another person is. That's what is sketchy to me. OP hasn't come back to clarify if he gets to take solo trips or not. I'd say that's a pretty important part of the puzzle.
I leave tomorrow to go on a trip with friends that my wife wants to go on but was unable to get the time off. It happens.
 

Solace

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I mean yeah, but still, don't fucking do that because chances are that they are probably gay and you're just being an asshole by questioning that.


I live in a quiet homophobic environment, and I am doing anything I can to convince people that being gay is just as normal as not being gay. Inquiring people about their sexuality would be the last thing I suggest, all I am saying is, some straight men use that excuse as a cover. And I have seen it first hand. That's all.
 

Jadusable

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I mean...it's in the op.


Lmao, good lord I need to go to bed.

Anyway, I'm echoing some of the sentiments in this thread - in the past when my girlfriend and I would go off and do stuff by ourselves it was typically because the other person wouldn't enjoy it (girls/guy's night, going to see a movie that the other partner isn't into, etc). Traveling out of state seems like it would be a fun thing for both of you to do together.

I'm a married woman. From my perspective it's weird. I probably wouldn't put my husband in such an odd position unless it was a friend he knew and fully trusted too. Then again, my best friend is my husband though, so I wouldnt go on a vacation without him.

^ Bingo. 100%.

Was listening to a book on tape the other day about psychology and the author mentioned a study that in the strongest relationships sampled both partners are aware that anyone can be susceptible to cheating and temptation if the absolute wrong sequence chain of events happen, so they actively take steps to avoid potentially compromising situations. The author then went on to say that those relationships have a much higher success rate than those where both partners just assume that neither will ever cheat and that they are special/above it all and then don't change/avoid anything. I'd personally say that traveling alone out of state with another man is probably a situation to avoid (do you know his whole history? Is he really gay or is he bi? Are they sharing a room?) but it's your life. I'd trust and listen to your gut if you feel insecure about it, and bring it up to your wife. Don't let it fester inside. Stand up for how you feel and approach her diplomatically if you don't feel comfortable about it.


I have no qualms about spending time with other dudes and even sharing hotel beds to save money.

oh no
 
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I'm a married woman. From my perspective it's weird. I probably wouldn't put my husband in such an odd position unless it was a friend he knew and fully trusted too. Then again, my best friend is my husband though, so I wouldnt go on a vacation without him.
 

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If anything it is your way of doing things that are mindblowing, to be honest. I mean it's cool that you have that kind of flexibility with your SO, but to feel uncomfortable having your SO sleeping with the opposite sex in the same bed is not something that is "weird", if anything that is the more common reaction for most people.
Yeah, i can't imagine many people would be okay with their OS sleeping in the same bed with someone of the opposite sex.
 

TaterTots

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I leave tomorrow to go on a trip with friends that my wife wants to go on but was unable to get the time off. It happens.

That's cool and pretty acceptable, but we still don't know OP's situation. Might not be the same as yours.

However, how long is your trip? You going on a 3 day trip because she couldn't get 1 day off? If so, did she plan something fun for herself?
 

ZackieChan

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She is a grown ass woman, if a night alone with someone else is all it takes for her to cheat on you then your relationship was shit to begin with.
So much this.
And I love the "I trust her, I just don't trust the guy" posts, as if her friends turn into rapists when they're on a road trip. If you know them well and everyone is cool, I don't see the issue.
There was a thread on the last place where a bunch of guys were getting hot and bothered about women daring to go have dinner with a male friend. Really insane insecurity on display.
 

VegiHam

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I mean yeah, but still, don't fucking do that because chances are that they are probably gay and you're just being an asshole by questioning that.
Yes, exactly, this!

I've been the gay roadtrip pal in this scenario and being quizzed about how gay you really are is uncomfortable as hell.
 

apocat

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The responses in this thread is absurd. Marriage doesn't mean you own the other person, and if you can't trust your partner that feels like the foundations of the relationship would be pretty shakey. Life is too short to demand that your partner practically give up any aspect of his or her life where you are not involved. You show trust until you actually have a reason to believe that trust is broken, and if that were to happen you deal with it like adults.

It should not matter if this friend is gay or not. I have lots of friends of the opposite sex that I like to spend time with and have no intention on getting naked with. Also, to the people of the opinion that OP should somehow verify that the guy is gay, what in the actual fuck? Do you think OP should try to seduce this guy or something? Should he send out a questionnaire to his previous partners? Stalk him for a week and document his private life? Some people in this thread need to grow up, or they need to stay away from actual relationships.
 
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Check his Facebook? Other social media? hang out with the guy? And NO, I don't mean ask the guy "how gay you are?" btw. If a man is going to have alone time with my girl, I will make sure to know him as much as possible. I trust my girl with all of my heart. But when it comes to men, I am not going to trust them easily.
 

Nerokis

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We have people in this very thread talking about their experience with people who were faking it being gay. I think there was also another guy, didn't find his post.

...so?

In most situations, we acknowledge that engaging in faulty, negative generalizations reflects a counterproductive cognitive error - something happening in this specific instance, this specific situation, does not mean it'll happen again and again and again, especially when most evidence points otherwise.

Obviously, we expect our significant others to have fully realized friendships, right? And we don't expect all those friendships to be with people with whom there is no potential for attraction. Usually, this all works out fine. You and your romantic partner each have your own lives, you share one another with your friends, share your friends with one another, and it is all good and healthy.

When your significant other is suddenly lying to you about their friends' sexual orientations, there are other issues at hand. Presumably, you're with someone because you see them as a good person, and your relationship with them as a good relationship. Sometimes that either turns out to be wrong or stops being right, but not trusting them to do things that are normal in most friendships (and that might be very normal in their friendships) isn't the thing that will make it better.

Also, another thing about engaging in fruitless generalizations: emphasizing the "faking it being gay" stories when we all know the vast majority (an understatement) of people who say they're gay aren't doing so with some nefarious intent is sort of bizarre.
 

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I mean, look on the bright side, if anything happens, you will never know about it! Cause you can't prove shit

Haha
 

Jyester

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Thank you. This thread is honestly mind-blowing at times.

I have no qualms about spending time with other dudes and even sharing hotel beds to save money, because cheating on my SO is something so alien that it would never even cross my mind. "Putting myself in a situation where I could cheat" is just not even a remotely plausible thing.
You're already getting a lot of replies, so forgive me for adding another one to the pile, but here's my two cents.

I trust my gf completely, but outside of intimate friendships, I do not trust men. My gf can be extremely naive when it comes to men and their intentions. There have been situations where she trusted someone, and had to be careful not to be taken advantage of, because men interpreted her friendliness as flirtatious behavior.

I'm sure your situation is different to mine, but I wanted to illustrate how a partner might not be okay with a one-on-one get-together, despite trusting their SO.
 

SideMatt

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The responses in this thread is absurd. Marriage doesn't mean you own the other person, and if you can't trust your partner that feels like the foundations of the relationship would be pretty shakey. Life is to short to demand that your partner practically give up any aspect of his or her life where you are not involved. You show trust until you actually have a reason to believe that trust is broken, and if that were to happen you deal with it like adults.

It should not matter if this friend is gay or not. I have lots of friends of the opposite sex that I like to spend time with and have no intention on getting naked with. Also, to the people of the opinion that OP should somehow verify that the guy is gay, what in the actual fuck? Do you think OP should try to seduce this guy or something? Should he send out a questionnaire to his previous partners? Stalk him for a week and document his private life? Some people in this thread need to grow up, or they need to stay away from actual relationships.
Probably one of the best responses here. I'm legitimately baffled at how so many of my friendships would utterly freak out the people in this thread.
 
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I think, regardless of whether she or her friend can be fully trusted, it's a bit weird that she puts you in an uncomfortable situation like that.
 

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Nothing wrong with the situation described in the OP. The dude is even gay. How in the world could anyone possibly see something wrong with this?
 

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Dude ERA is a hive mind of male insecurity, only slightly better than the other place. Don't trust random internet people's opinion on your personal relationship, you know it better than we do.
 

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So much this.
And I love the "I trust her, I just don't trust the guy" posts, as if her friends turn into rapists when they're on a road trip. If you know them well and everyone is cool, I don't see the issue.
There was a thread on the last place where a bunch of guys were getting hot and bothered about women daring to go have dinner with a male friend. Really insane insecurity on display.

Surely you remember why we left the old place? People get drunk and do stupid shit.

Do you believe that people are 100% in control of thier actions at all times? It's not really clear if we actually decide to do anything or not.

I'm not worried about my partner planning to cheat. Shit is pretty much over at that point. The worry is some dude tries an awkward pass and then hopefully that's the end of it. How many stories have we heard about women being afraid to say no or leave a bad situation for fear of being hurt? Again this probably will not happen, but why store fire next to gasoline?
 

xxracerxx

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I don't know the dynamic there, but if I missed a long trip because I had to work a day and sat around the house I'd probably be jealous.
Sure, jealousy can happen but it isn't serious or damaging to the relationship. Them's the breaks and we wouldn't make the other miss out on a good time because one of us couldn't go, that would just breed contempt over time with us.
 

Nerokis

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I trust my gf completely, but outside of intimate friendships, I do not trust men. My gf can be extremely naive when it comes to men and their intentions. There have been situations where she trusted someone, and had to be careful not to be taken advantage of, because men interpreted her friendliness as flirtatious behavior.

That might be true, but I sort of hate this logic. I've been told all this as justification for having distrust projected on me. "You're naive, I'm sure you aren't being direct enough that you aren't interested, I'm sure you've let people flirt with you," etc., etc. In truth, I don't think I'm naive, and all of that sounds like code for "I don't trust you." There is a difference between naivete and not erecting barbed wire around myself at all times that I'm out of the sight of my romantic partner.

Surely you remember why we left the old place? People get drunk and do stupid shit.

I really, really hope that isn't your point of reference here. Frankly, if it turns out I'm with the female equivalent to Evilore right now, I hope she cheats as soon as possible and saves me the time.
 

Macs

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My girlfriend/wife going on a trip alone with another man?

Yeah, not gonna happen, not even if he's gay.
 

mrpookles

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If you're happy with the situation, then go for it OP. Who cares what other people think?

For me, I wouldn't be cool with it.
 

Rosenkrantz

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I can't imagine any of my past girlfriends being ok with me going on a trip with a female co-worker, but we're from a completely different culture that still believe in a traditional family values.

That being said, you don't have to go to a trip to cheat on someone, you can do it anytime, why create such an elaborate scheme? So, unless your wife has sadistic tendencies I think everything is ok.
 
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Wouldn't bother me. I trust my wife, why would I care that she has male friends? And if I trust her, why would I care if she spends time with them?

I also have no issue with my wife doing stuff without me and the kids. Everyone is allowed time to themselves to do something off routine.

If you don't trust your spouse you need to take a look at your relationship.
 

Flo_Evans

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Insecurity and distrust are very unattractive.



The only people who pretend otherwise are making excuses to avoid responsibility. And getting shitfaced is a choice, so its fair to place blame for anything you do while drunk.

People love to tell themselves a long list of stuff they would never do. I told myself I was going to bed an hour ago!
 

TaterTots

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The responses in this thread is absurd. Marriage doesn't mean you own the other person, and if you can't trust your partner that feels like the foundations of the relationship would be pretty shakey. Life is too short to demand that your partner practically give up any aspect of his or her life where you are not involved. You show trust until you actually have a reason to believe that trust is broken, and if that were to happen you deal with it like adults.

It should not matter if this friend is gay or not. I have lots of friends of the opposite sex that I like to spend time with and have no intention on getting naked with. Also, to the people of the opinion that OP should somehow verify that the guy is gay, what in the actual fuck? Do you think OP should try to seduce this guy or something? Should he send out a questionnaire to his previous partners? Stalk him for a week and document his private life? Some people in this thread need to grow up, or they need to stay away from actual relationships.

Or maybe they are grown up and have had their own experiences that have shaped their beliefs? Just because things have been A-OK for you doesn't ring true for others. People in this very thread have given examples as to why they are sketchy about this. If you disagree then that's because you haven't experienced it yourself. Good for you.
 
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