Oh god, I can see it now, kids are going to be carrying around their 23 and me reports so they show off their 2% African DNA so they can drop the N-word.
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Kendrick Lamar calls out white fan for rapping n-word onstage with him at concert [Read OP]
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Oh god, I can see it now, kids are going to be carrying around their 23 and me reports so they show off their 2% African DNA so they can drop the N-word.
Well that's at the heart of my question.
I have 3 nieces and 1 nephew from a mixed race marriage. These children all took after their father. They're so light skinned, no one would mistake them for a black person unless they pulled out their birth certificates... But their mother is most certainly a black woman.
I'm pretty sure had any one of them been called up on that stage by Kendrick, they'd have faced the same situation as this insensitive white woman, but my nieces and nephew.... they're black.
I don't envy the position our culture has placed them in.
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Even if they're black it still doesn't matter. Just because you're (in general, not you) okay with it doesn't mean other black people should be.
I need a gif of Kratos' soon looking at him..asking "why can't I say it?" and he responds
I know it ain't him..
The white folk have used the word long enough as a derogatory term that they have lost all rights to imply how/when it is or isn't appropriate to use.
Even if you don't use it maliciously (in your mind), think of the implications it has when you say it. If you make a mistake, learn from it. It's way easier to not say it, than to do so.
Now I still think as long as it is a word regularly used, it will also be used with bad intent. But who am I to decide how you should use your words? I'll decide how I'll use mine.
Even if you don't use it maliciously (in your mind), think of the implications it has when you say it. If you make a mistake, learn from it. It's way easier to not say it, than to do so.
Now I still think as long as it is a word regularly used, it will also be used with bad intent. But who am I to decide how you should use your words? I'll decide how I'll use mine.
As a painfully white man I have no desire to say the word. It has no meaning to me as it was never used as a descriptor when I was growing up. Other words were and I stopped using those as I grew up. It's not hard. It's a racial slur. I can see getting carried away on stage as I am sure I've sang it in the shower as Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) plays but again it has no inherent meaning to me as a descriptor. Being Scottish I normally just describe everyone as cunt. Which cunt? That cunt with the stupid jumper. So fellow white people - don't say it. You may feel that privilege fucking with you but you can resist and be better.
Pausing does not kill the flow of the song, think of all the acceptable radio edits out there.
Also, you should definitely not use jigga as a substitute.
The song is not ideal to bring up a white person on stage, because the hook rhymes on the n-word and has a long emphasis on the word, which results in a long pause when you leave it out. But this isn't a excuse for a white person to use it.
I don't see how this was a setup, why would he do it now? It's a baseless assumption.
I don't see how this was a setup, why would he do it now? It's a baseless assumption.
Dude..for the most part, folks have been either commending how it all went down, or saying he set her up. If he's done this various times, why is it a setup? Were you embarrassed for those who didn't throw nigga around like they don't know better? What, exactly, is your argument here? Is the "poor dolt" incapable of doing what other white people have done on the same stage? Under the same pressure? lol..Basta..
Yeah I just google'd that actually. My bad! Didnt even realise THAT was a racial slur!.
Yeesh...glad I haven't been called on stage yet. Im seeing Travis Scott next month as well. I'm gonna duck out of any invitations to get on stage ha!
It kind of only works for ODB,
I replace the n word with motherfucker and it works fine.
I would never ever say ninja becayse I feel like I remember that being associated with ICP and those guys are super wack.
So he politely and light heartedly told her to censor it up, she apologised and agreed.
Cool?
Why has this relatively minor scenario resulted in two threads, dozens of banned users and a mod warning?
Good for Kendrick, good for her for being decent about it.
Cool?
Why has this relatively minor scenario resulted in two threads, dozens of banned users and a mod warning?
Good for Kendrick, good for her for being decent about it.
You can't say ninja because it's obvious code. Don't you remember the whole Justin Timberlake tweet to Madonna?
The girl sang again by bleeping the word after Kendrick told her to so situation is alright? Too much outrage over it.
I feel the mods went over the top in banning here. If it's just banning to the point of no discussion apart from don't say the word here at all then threads like this should be locked up as well as the only discussion to be had here is agreeing to not say it. What's the point when discussion apart from a single viewpoint is not allowed in a forum where people come to discuss.
I feel the mods went over the top in banning here. If it's just banning to the point of no discussion apart from don't say the word here at all then threads like this should be locked up as well as the only discussion to be had here is agreeing to not say it. What's the point when discussion apart from a single viewpoint is not allowed in a forum where people come to discuss.
Lol nice man
I'm not much for the "Do as I say, not as I do." mantra. I'm black and don't care to hear it from anyone's mouth, even other black people. However if the word does come from the mouth of someone not black, I look at their intent and don't personally get offended over lyrics said in a song. If someone paid money to see a black rapper, was excited to get on stage with them, and knows the words to their songs like a true fan, I wouldn't see malice there. I mean when you think about it, the way we talk and our vocabulary is largely shaped by what we consume in media or hear from people around us. If you're really into rap, then you've probably picked up some terms outside of the n-word along the way that you use on a regular basis that you don't even think twice about. It can be hard to turn that switch sometimes. However yes, please if you're white, try to be more aware of what you say around people of color.
Nevermind, after reading the OP I don't know if my post follows the guidelines.
I'll just sum up what I was trying to say:
She shouldn't have said the word. I think the situation was handled accordingly.
Hopefully this being as viral and discussed as it is will inspire good change going forward.
I'll just sum up what I was trying to say:
She shouldn't have said the word. I think the situation was handled accordingly.
Hopefully this being as viral and discussed as it is will inspire good change going forward.
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Imo she was super excited, got way too familiar and said it. She's at his show, I doubt she is racist.
That being said, just don't say the word its not worth the shit its gonna get you into. Also you just look stupid every white guy that says it is just Bryan Silva now.
That being said, just don't say the word its not worth the shit its gonna get you into. Also you just look stupid every white guy that says it is just Bryan Silva now.
Some of us want to talk about the larger issue of language and its role in scociety. But mostly non black people are asking when it's ok to say the n word and the answer is never unless you are famous or a college professor reading from text, or reading Mark Twain or an artist but not imitating art and only if you are black artist or have a certain percentage of black heritage. Also if youve been given a pass by black friends but only in proximity to those friends and no extended freinds. And sign language doesn't count.. Or maybe it does.
Anyways it's really simple.
I'll likely be ignored, but I must ask. How many people in this thread of the Caucasian persuasion sing these songs with your "black friends" with no issue? Not gonna judge. Just trying to understand some of the outrage by some users who find censoring themselves as a violation..
I've never heard of the "pass" from close friends. Is this a real thing?
Two threads and 16 more pages after and these fools are still making dumbass posts... And of course the alts are everywhere.
The Lawnmowers are out in full force today.
Is there anyone here actually doing that though?
The Lawnmowers are out in full force today.
Is there anyone here actually doing that though?
I didn't get an answer before. In your opinion, do you think a white sign language concert interpreter can sign it (even for black fans)? Genuinely curious.
My step-father loves certain sports players that are Black, but yes, he's a racist. That shit doesn't matter.
But, I doubt anybody is arguing that she's racist, or that she had ill intentions. It's more about not saying the word at all than trying to argue when a use of the word is racist or not when there shouldn't be any use to begin with. Black people don't want us saying the word. All there is to it.
My feeling is, if some Black people are cool with White folks in their circle using that word around them (and vice versa), hey do you...i can't tell you what to do...but I ain't in your circle...so don't try including me in all that.
I ain't going for it.
I ain't going for it.
IIRC i think there was a little bit of it in the last thread
Black person asks white person to not use the n-word. White person agrees. Everything is fine.
What is the other viewpoint?
Yes; and even further I've had people urge me to say it and it seemed to be a sort of kinship building thing. Maybe an extension of the ownership concept for some.
I know the above sounds super clinical and whatnot but it's the truth lol.
If you're given a pass, you should understand that's not a pass for all black folks. just the one individual.
show some respect and never ask for it, never want the pass
show some respect and never ask for it, never want the pass
I'd feel really weird about that as a white dude. I'd probably be like Larry David and be like "are you my caucasian?"
I personally would understand if that person is not comfortable signing that word but at the same time I would feel somewhat cheated from getting the full experience. In my opinion you job is to interpret everything, not just what you want.. But this setting is very informal. I have family members that would do this for me. If someone has a problem with them signing to me.. They have a problem with me being there.
Because there is no father to his style and unique so when he does it, it makes sense for that song.
You try to apply that to any other rap song from the 90's it falls flat.
So if you are white and find yourself in a scenario where someone who will take offense to it is within ear shot, you're better off doing the "pause" and catching your breath to continue on the rest of the verse after the spot passes.
I was sorta thinking about that the other day; with the amount of incredible black athletes in US sports (and yeah worldwide), I'm surprised how quickly that gets 'shut down' against the amount of racism.
I know it was posted earlier in the thread but it bears watching again.
Ta Nehisi Coates on the n word
Ta Nehisi Coates on the n word
Nope nope nope. That was not the context of my post.
My post clearly refers who I'm talking about. NotAllWhitePeople™ is not the focus.
Yep, by default all white people should be in the "Never use the word, ever" category. But, I do have an anecdotal experience, hanging out with one of my black friends we're singing lyrics in the car, and I censor myself when the N word comes up. My black friend says something along the lines of "Dude, you don't need to censor yourself around me, we're friends..." I was still very hesitant and I told him I still wasn't very comfortable saying it but he insisted. I didn't want to ruin a friendship over this.
People love their sports. They don't care who plays as long as they are good and helping their team win. It overrides their racism in that regard, and also qualifies for "some of the good ones" qualifier.
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