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Kendrick Lamar calls out white fan for rapping n-word onstage with him at concert [Read OP]
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No one is keeping you here and I'm sure your company would be appreciated in other circles.
Because it's not a discussion any rationale person would want to have. It's cut and dry. And whining about it is like going into a thread about abuse and finding a way to blame the victim. This shit shouldn't have to be explained.
Ahh yess the classic set up the white person to say the N Word trick
Please, explain why Kendrick is a 'fucking retard'.
Did he force her to say it? It's his fault she didn't censor herself?
User Banned (Permanent): History of racist and misogynist dialog, peddling alt-right counter-narratives, ban dodging
i don't post here anymore, but this is my second attempt at a permaban. this board is ridiculous. if you aren't super left, you're a piece of shit to these people.
Discussing the word itself, like in that samuel Jackson interview I posted earlier where he insisted the interviewer use the word. Or, like others had mentioned, reading excerpts from a literary work. Or acting in a movie. Or to use an even more ambiguous hypothetical rap example, if someone had been asked onstage to perform this song.
Fair enough. I don't think I would have been able to make such a clear judgement, but hopefully most people are savvier than I am :V
Also if you get warned or banned thats on YOU. The mod edit explicitly stated who to contact if you had issues with moderation.
Kendrick 100% could've called on a black person to hop on stage & sing with him.
Instead, he chose the white girl.
Kendrick, you know damn well your lyrics had racial slurs in them.
Kendrick should've gotten Donkey of the Day. imo
you said that not taking an action because of fear of retaliation means that the person knows the action they would take is wrong
this is an incorrect assumption since throughout history people have refrained from taking actions that they knew weren't wrong, and even thought were right because of fear of retaliation, thus demonstrating that fearing retaliation for an action doesn't necessarily mean that the person knows the action is wrong
pretty straight forward logic imo
Only person whose intelligence I am questioning right now is yours. You can do better.
User banned (1 week): Inappropriate language, ignoring the context of reclamation of offensive words.
Right, I'm just going to flat out state an opinion and I want anything that comes towards it* - I love Kendrick, but he was stupid letting this happen.
Why the fuck would you have beef with a white person saying the n-word in a song you invited them to sing when you damn well know it uses that word on every other verse?
It's retarded, it sucks that she said it, but she was damn into it and as were most of the fans, I can understand how 100% white people such as myself CANNOT appropriate that word, and it is fashionable for black folk to use it - but it doesn't detract from the fact that he was retarded to invite her onto the stage for that song or that she was stupid for using it after she self-edited...
At some point, in certain conditions and enviroments if you keep throwing that word it will normalise it, you can't dislike someone who you invited on stage for a song where you wrote it into every other verse - she wasn't trying to be racist, at all, she was enjoying herself and the song which is one of his most popular songs.
*I've been drinking wine for the past six hours.
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Let's flat out say it, this is what he bloody wrote and that is EXACTLY how it should be sang, socially conscious or not - granted she's white, she said it, she was given that platform with the dude WHO WROTE THOSE LYRICS.
Why the fuck would you have beef with a white person saying the n-word in a song you invited them to sing when you damn well know it uses that word on every other verse?
It's retarded, it sucks that she said it, but she was damn into it and as were most of the fans, I can understand how 100% white people such as myself CANNOT appropriate that word, and it is fashionable for black folk to use it - but it doesn't detract from the fact that he was retarded to invite her onto the stage for that song or that she was stupid for using it after she self-edited...
At some point, in certain conditions and enviroments if you keep throwing that word it will normalise it, you can't dislike someone who you invited on stage for a song where you wrote it into every other verse - she wasn't trying to be racist, at all, she was enjoying herself and the song which is one of his most popular songs.
*I've been drinking wine for the past six hours.
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Let's flat out say it, this is what he bloody wrote and that is EXACTLY how it should be sang, socially conscious or not - granted she's white, she said it, she was given that platform with the dude WHO WROTE THOSE LYRICS.
Here is a video of the guy who was on stage before her. Also white. Singing the same song. Didn't say it.
https://twitter.com/juliafreeman98/status/998447068938227712?s=19
As was stated multiple times already, Kendrick does this sometimes at his concert for this song in particular. He doesn't look for white people to trick them into saying it. He will bring up anybody who wants to come up and try to perform the song with him. I think he handled this so incredibly well. If you watch the video, he's sort of joking with her and the crowd. He smiles and hugs her at the end and says "she almost had it."
(https://www.resetera.com/posts/8206461/)
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How was she set up again?
Why not just request a perma instead of shitposting? However, I have a sneaking suspicion that asking that question is redundant.
Ahh yes
Dear Rap
Stop using the word. You're confusing white people.
Kthx
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You shoulda read the OP dude, don't push the blame on Kendrick
Why not just delete your account? Not saying that word isn't being "super left", it's basic decency, it's like the bare minimum you can do. In fact, you don't even have to do anything to not say it, it's easier than breathing!
People did read it though right? Non blacks and blacks alike.. If not that's pretty fucked.
I can only speak for myself but I think people here know my position about this but misunderstand the motivation. I've accepted that Respect for people is as important as consistancy and understanding but it's hard for me to shake the need for understanding and clear guidlines.
I have no issue with how Kendrick handled the situation it is his concert after all and he can do what he wants. As a deaf Pierson I've been to concerts before and have had interpreter a (family members) sign lyrics to me with the n word in them. My family is not black but they not not to leave anything out when it comes to interpreting music, movies, and other media. I want to see it all and to know it all,, the full totality of content with nothing substituted. If someone in the audience know sign language and happened to be black would they be offended. Maybe but I wonder why they would if they could have easily missed her sign or not know sign language. Is it better they not know? What about it is really better? And at what point do I become racists and/or insensitive?
To me it isn't about word ownership or being told what I can or can't say.. It's about censorship. And censoring ourselves. And the motivations and understanding of people. I'm sure most non lacks actually don't get this issue fully. But others may genuinely feel that there are cases that have not been explored yet where it is ok to say the word and they should stay that way. And not for the goal of having a haven where we can stick it to the black man and break the rules.
Art and education are important and we have examples of which there are conflicting ideas about what is acceptable. I bring up tarintinos movies because I feel like it's a valid question.. We have charts here saying never ever say the word but then people saying it's different in movies.. Which one is it? If it's different in movies why isn't it different in music? Or paintings or videogames? What is Coats saying the word f***t in his lecture when he's trying to make a point about words you should never say as he says a word you should never say. No wonder non black people can't get it "right".
I have never used the word because I can't use it. I don't want to use the word I don't need to use it. I don't mind being told I can't use it.. I'm not an asshole that will argue out of spite or some sense of entitlement. But language to me is very important.consistancy is important.. Censorship is important. And I feel that the attitude that this is a simple cut and dry issue is not productive. Valid discussion isn't an attack. Valid Questions aren't Trojan horses.
Forum whining because you want to tell black people how to they shouldn't use reclaimed slurs if white kids can't use the slur
the board will be better without your kind, I assure you
So..every other white person that didn't say it when he's called them up wasn't part of the setup? Or you just pulling a string of shit from the rectum?
Strange huh. A thread about not being able to say the N word is where they decide it's just too much, man.
If the word is so bad to him then him putting it in his song is dumb af. Expecting her to censor it just because she's white is dumb.
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Why the fuck do you have a different opinion on saying nigga against the wishes of black people?
What is your problem???
"I can't believe Kendrick made that white person use the n word, what an asshole."
What even is this?
You're missing context.
See white people enslaved black people and have abused them for hundreds of years in the United States. White people used the n word as a way to demean black people. Some black people have co-opted the term.
With that context in mind, do you see why 1. it's okay for a black person to use the word and 2. it's not okay for a white person to use it?
No, it isn't.
No, it isn't.
Read this thread, especially the posts by Era's Black community. So many of them have done this topic justice but people don't want to listen.
This is what I'm talking bout, 12 pages in and this same stupid argument keep popin up
But somehow were stifling debate
Think before you post. If he set her up would he have been so cool about it, or would he have used it as a way to go on a rant about white people saying the n-word? Plus, this isn't the first time he's pulled a white person on stage.
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The mod who put that in the OP is an idiot. To say he has no fault in it is just ridiculous
So your round about response is we should be all doing something else. Maybe take your own advice then.
Once again, had I or many other White people been called on the stage, we wouldn't have said it. It was a problem with this woman in particular.
Also, the song does not have racial slurs in them. That is the disconnect people seem to have. The N word between two Black people is not a racial slur. When a White person or other race uses the word it becomes a slur, hence, the lady should not have said the word.
User Banned (3 Days): Attempt to shift some blame on Kendrick despite Mod Post at OP.
Hmm yeah I'm not really happy with how Kendrick handled that and kinda shamed the girl on stage like that.
White people shouldn't fuckin say that word in conversation, but I feel like performing a song, it's different, there's no hatred behind it, I don't think there is any racism behind it either.
I feel like he totally set her up with that shit, he was waiting for it. when she's rapping a long to the song and is feeling the moment shes not gonna be up there thinking clearly to begin with, she's next to Kendrick and her adrenaline was probably through the roof.
Idk I realize this is all subjective but I'm not okay with someone being humiliated like that on stage after being invited up to sing a song that you know has the word you don't want white people saying
White people shouldn't fuckin say that word in conversation, but I feel like performing a song, it's different, there's no hatred behind it, I don't think there is any racism behind it either.
I feel like he totally set her up with that shit, he was waiting for it. when she's rapping a long to the song and is feeling the moment shes not gonna be up there thinking clearly to begin with, she's next to Kendrick and her adrenaline was probably through the roof.
Idk I realize this is all subjective but I'm not okay with someone being humiliated like that on stage after being invited up to sing a song that you know has the word you don't want white people saying
Do you just want to be banned? You're being deliberately antagonistic at this point.
Maybe you should argue your points in a more civil manner.
Why do these kind of posts always come from users with low post counts? Seems fishy.
I think most of us know whose behavior is idiotic in this thread.
Yes, because Caucasians are all mentally challenged, and just can't not say that word..the poor feeble-minded fools........
lol, I've enjoyed your posts throughout this thread.
And yeah, white folks shouldn't need to use the n-word.
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On one hand i do feel the audience member should have not said it. But the heat of the moment i don't think it was malicious. Context counts.
Also a word about the over the top moderation.
Can mods please chill. We don't need this place becoming NeoGaf 2.0 all over again. Some common sense is needed.
Also a word about the over the top moderation.
Can mods please chill. We don't need this place becoming NeoGaf 2.0 all over again. Some common sense is needed.
They're usually alts or burners created with the express intent of fucking with people and then posting the results on Voat or 8chan or wherever. Just report the dipshits and move on.
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