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Kendrick Lamar calls out white fan for rapping n-word onstage with him at concert [Read OP]
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The idea is not Orwellian if white people are not being disappeared for using the word. Literally nothing is happening to white people as a result of them disagreeing with the idea.
Getting banned on a gaming forum does not qualify as anything.
This reminds me of that time samuel Jackson wouldn't respond to his interviewer's question unless he said the word instead of a substitute. Was Jackson in the wrong here?
I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to ignore all context and just "never ever EVER say it in any situation," when that's not actually a universally agreed upon social moore, even among black folk. There are exceptions. Not many, but still. If I got called on stage by a black artist to sing their song which they know has multiple n-bombs which are awkward when ommitted (and really awkward when substituted), and they didn't give me any guidance on how to handle it, I'd be a bit lost.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to ignore all context and just "never ever EVER say it in any situation," when that's not actually a universally agreed upon social moore, even among black folk. There are exceptions. Not many, but still. If I got called on stage by a black artist to sing their song which they know has multiple n-bombs which are awkward when ommitted (and really awkward when substituted), and they didn't give me any guidance on how to handle it, I'd be a bit lost.
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No it's based on the precedent set by our law makers that posting the word on instagram amounted to that.
By avoiding that word in the first place means no one is pretending it's not in the song. The exact opposite in fact. By not using it you're acknowledging not only what you know that that word entails and respect why it shouldn't be used as a non black person.
The fact you had the gaul to call calling not saying it Orwellian makes me think you don't really understand that word let alone the other this topic is about.
Small anecdote. We went to karaoke for my cousin's birthday last November and some white guy got on stage and did both Humble and DNA without looking at the screen and bleeped himself every single time the word came up. It's not impossible to do, I've seen it happen.
Lot of people would yea.
We're really confused about "all white people" in this day and age?
If you feel targeted by someone saying "all white people" or "white people" then chances are you're part of the group they're talking about.
fair enough (and not true for all cases), but that still means that they do know the word is wrong to use like you initially implied
for some yes, but i personally dont think theres much wrong with saying a plethora of certain offensive words, but would never say them in public to strangers, and its not because im afraid of retaliation
its because i know other people dont feel the same way i do, and theres no reason for me to cause discomfort to other people for something i could remedy with a simple vocabulary swap
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10 pages for a topic that is so simple. No, you can't say nigga. Yes, please skip the word. No, it is not hard or weird to omit one word while rapping along to your favorite rapper's song.
Oh no I am talking about in general to those people trying to say it was no big deal at all because it was in the song. The girl herself made a huge mistake I am not saying she didn't. But I totally understand the context in which the mistake was made. She was most likely nervous and since its a concert possibly even inebriated so I understand her making the mistake. She was also likely so focused on the lyrics themselves that she never even thought about what they contained. It doesn't diminish the mistake itself, but it does affect my ability to give her a lil benefit of the doubt. Especially considering she owned up to it the way she did and how the artist gave her some slack as well.
The situation easily could have gotten out of hand, but since all sides realized a serious mistake was made the cooler heads prevailed. And like I said earlier I wish we had more stories like this where a potentially bad situation is resolved in such a manner.
It's based on random tweets from random people, so it's probably not true.
I read the first pages but couldn't find anyone explaining this.
As a foreigner I guess I don't understand, why is it socially acceptable for a black person to say the nigga word but not a white one? This is a real question, even if just proves I'm ignorant..
When Kendrick sings the song, does he not say the word anymore? Or if it was a black person on the stage it would be okay for him to say it? Please someone enlighten me.
As a foreigner I guess I don't understand, why is it socially acceptable for a black person to say the nigga word but not a white one? This is a real question, even if just proves I'm ignorant..
When Kendrick sings the song, does he not say the word anymore? Or if it was a black person on the stage it would be okay for him to say it? Please someone enlighten me.
Good because I never said that. I said they do know the word is wrong to use, but are still trying to fight for the right to say it anyways.
I'm not white nor black. Shit's nebulous. Thanks for the vague accusation tho.
thats what i meant, my bad
that doesn''t mean they do know its wrong to use like you initially implied
It's a moot point why they aren't sayin nigga
The outcome is more important, which is respecting black people
That's good but it wouldn't be the first time I heard of someone saying that. I remember one summer jam lil Wayne saying everyone sing along no matter what but I just started shaking my head and was like that won't end well.
Kinda? I dunno, maybe it was the pressure of being up called up on stage and you slipped in excitement to 'sing along' and the instinct to self-censor yourself (as much as you should) might not have kicked in. I blanked once during public speaking when I finally got up there and looks like a dummy for about 10 seconds trying to refocus.
If a person, white or not, is at a Kendrick concert, I'd assume they're a fan at the very least who don't mean total ill-will to POCs. :/ They're there for the music, sometimes said music has bad words. And it's an ugly word and shouldn't be used; specifically/especially by whites
I hope there isn't that much bad blood between what happened anyway, seems like an unfortunate slip to deal with.
It's a weird situation though, and still a pretty great learning moment I guess.
I am going to answer this in good faith.
"Nigger" is a slur that non-black people call black people. I'm not sure where you're from, but your country has slurs for women, gay folks, black folks, etc., as well.
Black people call each other that word (with the "-er" sound dropped as part of a reduced form of the word) as an act of reclaiming the word for themselves. It is (usually) used in a way to show brother or sisterhood with one another (and sometimes in anger).
If a white person uses it - being racist (historically)
If a black person uses it - reclamation
Kendrick is black. He can say it. So can black fans. White fans shouldn't since a lot of them and their family members use it to disparage black folks, not in a reclamatory way.
User banned (one week): thread derailment
Does it matter? Seems like mod just had a bad morning.
I'm not a huge fan of the South-East Asian, hip-hop artist, Nav, but I can really appreciate his response when being told to stop saying the N word in his song. He reflected on his use of the word by giving an explanation and recognizing the arguments presented against his usage. And then he said he wouldn't say it anymore.
Everyone moved on.
There's specific groups of people who find value in debating their usage of the word instead of just moving on. It makes you wonder if the word is a crucial part of their vocabulary.
Everyone moved on.
There's specific groups of people who find value in debating their usage of the word instead of just moving on. It makes you wonder if the word is a crucial part of their vocabulary.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. I just think that assuming that they are all doing it out of fear but secretly want to say it is a step backwards.
1) In short, so that we're not getting into the weeds of American history, it's socially acceptable for the black person and not a white person because the word was used by white people to denigrate and degrade and dehumanize black people for centuries in conjunction with slavery and bigotry. Now it's been reclaimed by some black people. If a white person says it they're carrying with them centuries of racial oppression, even if they're saying it in good faith or ignorance.
2) Kendrick can do what he wants with his music.
3) A black person can choose to say or not say it it's up to them.
What does the top comment say?
I find it hard to believe that you actually did if you're asking a question like this. But to answer your question there were some obscure eventsin history called imperialism, Slavery, and Jim Crow. Now given the history of those acts and the race of the ones who perpetrated it, use some critical thinking and deduce why black people (who were the victims of such acts) would not be happy that the decedents of the perpetrators of those acts would use words that were previously used to degenerate them in the past.
We're going in circles here, so this will probably be my last post, but again I don't see what is gained by censoring it in a quotation.
If I quote Hitler saying something about minorities being exterminated, it is generally understand that I am not saying minorities should be exterminated (well at least that was generally understood a few years ago, now one can't be so confident I suppose). If I quote Kendrick Lamar saying the n-word is it not generally understood that I am not saying the n-word on my own behalf?
To be clear, I'm also not saying that my right to say the n-word is so super important and I am offended by being told not to do it. But the idea that it is obviously inappropriate in the context of being invited to perform onstage at a concert, and reaction in this thread that the girl in the OP is therefor either racist or a clueless idiot or both seems extreme and unfair.
If you don't say it in private it won't slip out in public. That's why all these posters saying "i'll sing along in my car but not in public" are on some dumb shit. They're just setting themselves up for the exact same situation
I'm sorry was I being vague? Cause I thought I was pretty fucking clear.
As I typed earlier in this thread, she slipped up and rightfully got called out on it. The points being brought up here that are in bad faith are usually arguing WHY shouldn't she be able to say it? That is a whole other thing.
i dont want to question the moderation staff, and i know its a touchy subject right now
but it seems like theres some confusion about what the phrase arguing in bad faith means
i thought i understood what the phrase meant from a few encounters with it, but judging by the bans in this thread its not what i thought it was
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Consequences are the main reason why a majority of white people in America(for example) don't use the word. If thats painting white people in America with a broad brush, I say thats irrelevant.
Here's what that top comment says, and a link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comm...r_gets_called_out_for_publicity_stunt/dzdf4ue
I've never been to a Kendrick concert (or really any concert in the last 10 years), so I can't confirm obviously.
I mean, I'd call it rampant douchebaggery, but those are my words, not the mods.
Or the mods are handling something that has bothered the black community on here for a long time.
I would 100% just not say it; I mean anyone who raps along at a rap concert should already have this figured out. That's what I don't get about this topic; are you throwing n-bombs around in the crowd when you rap along? At clubs if songs come on?
Since I'm not throwing the word around anyways, but do rap along.. I'd continue to do what I do if I were ever brought on stage by a rapper. I personally just skip the word.
Yes they do because otherwise they wouldn't show restraint in saying it. I don't know how often I have to repeat this.... Also considering the history of our country no America can claim not to know the history of that word and why it shouldn't be acceptable for a white person to say it.
I'm not black so while I have an idea I rather let a black person explain it. Try this video in example, it's short and does go over few of the issues. She says she doesn't use it herself but explains that to many it's a way of reclaiming that word which has been used (still is) to opress them. While obviously white people haven't been opressed with same words (This is me, not her saying it).
Ok, but Lamar didn't say here it's ok to use it, he said don't. And Lamar isn't Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne could feel differently, they are different people even if they have similar skin color. And also, it shouldn't be about waiting for a pass from your favorite rapper. There's plenty of people who take offense with a good reason too, so just don't.
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Is this actually true? I feel like this is something that could easily be verified since everybody records concerts on their phones now days....
(Not directed at you since you are providing the thread with further context after that vague post)
Sounds like something to easy verify. And I doubt Kendrick would do this since it would be trending on Black Twitter once it happened.
throughout history there have been people who refrained from doing something they thought was right (or not wrong) because of threat of violence against them
just because you're afraid of retaliation doesn't mean you think the action you might have taken was wrong
and i'll repeat that asmuch as i have to, your deduction for why you feel these people know they are in the wrong is completely unsound
Ok, that makes total sense. Thanks for the answer dude.
I guess it's a totally different culture in America. Here, at least where I am from, it has more to do with the intention behind the slurs you use than the slur itself. Like, it would be socially acceptable for me, a white person, to call my black friends social slurs to show "brotherhood". The offense would be the same if a black or white person used it as a mean to insult, the black person would just look dumb because.. he's black.
But I'm also from a big emigrant community, it's a giant melting pot. We don't have the history you guys have. We abolished slavery before the USA even existed.
If you read the first pages yourself you will see everyone just talks how the white woman shouldn't have said it, specifically mentioning the word white. That's why I asked the question.
Also, not everyone lives in the American bubble. Believe it or not but there are places where racism is not prevalent, so sorry if I didn't understand the issue fully.
lol go on up to sing and not sing.
I honestly can't blame people for unanimously and completely not knowing what social norms to work with in that situation.
Pretty sure I'd just stand there looking like this
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