Yeah, it's basically required in a movie like that. And the lack of it, even once, is what pulled me out of "IT" because King uses it in his novel to highlight the racism in Derry.
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Kendrick Lamar calls out white fan for rapping n-word onstage with him at concert [Read OP]
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lmao this post, somebody's looking for some shit to get upset about.
This is a forum, people have different opinions.
If we can't state our opinion (of course in a respectable, adult manner) then debating controversial subjects is useless on this forum.
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yeah, when invited on stage by the performer himself to sing the song which has that word over and over again.... I mean what the hell are you supposed to do?
I'm confused by the controversy here. Is there is a piece of the story I'm not getting? Yes, the word sucks and shouldn't be thrown around but that is sort of a pickle situation when you are a fan and excited to be on stage with a performer you admire, on the spot...
This is what it boils down to and what a lot of people from the previous thread and some from this one seem to not get. Shit is crazy reading some of the replies.
Don't.
Say.
The.
Word.
Just pause during that singular word. Just do it.
I've always wondered what about other minorities where the N-word has been used as an insult.
For example I know quite a few middle eastern guys who grew up being called sand-N and other variations.
Obviously this is after 9/11 so there is not quite as much time involved. My inclination is "no".
For example I know quite a few middle eastern guys who grew up being called sand-N and other variations.
Obviously this is after 9/11 so there is not quite as much time involved. My inclination is "no".
I'm not black so my opinion on that doesn't matter but it irks me how he's heralded as "brave" by a lot of white fans and critics for being so "bold" putting it in his scripts. Like I think a lot of the people watching his movies aren't getting whatever out of it he's intending, they just like hearing white people say the words
The same points are always brought up, then shot down. Without fail. It's a parody at this point. So yes this is a forum, but posters should really know better by now.
I think framing it in terms of being "allowed" to say or do something causes issues when what's really meant is that you "shouldn't." Telling someone they're not allowed to do something just invites an unnecessary challenge. This is probably a bit of a tortured analogy, but you're technically "allowed" to walk past a funeral procession and give the finger to the mourners. You "shouldn't" do that though because all you're doing is callously hurting a group of people who are dealing with enough already. It's kind of the same deal being white and wanting to use the N word. At least that's how I look at it.
Don't say the word like fans have been doing on Kendrick's stage before?
What is it specifically that you're wondering about?
Those uppity blacks always unnecessarily challenging institutionalized racism.
Sigh.... Ok. I don't like this video I think it makes people confused. I feel like he contradicts himself by using the word f***t in explaining why certain people should never use a word he uses a word he shouldn't say in a situation where its crucial that he uses it, this going against his whole point of it never being ok to use the n word. One could argue the difference between the n word and the word bitch, but the f word is a bit harder to make that distinction they are both ugly.
I like how some people apparently need a fucking flowchart or a YouTube tutorial on how not to use slur.
Hint: it's right next to the note that says you shouldn't have your pants on when you take a shit.
Hint: it's right next to the note that says you shouldn't have your pants on when you take a shit.
Hey now. How would that even work? It's physically impossible to not say it and you're going to deprive 35 year old kids of a timeless rite of passage. This is the beginning of the end for culture and the arts.
Alright. What are your thoughts on mixed race people saying it, or someone with really dark skin? And would you decide for yourself if someone was black or not by looking at them? I ask this because, to my surprise, I've been called a nigger on two occasions in 2 years here due to my dark skin and I guess appearance, even though I don't really consider myself black.
Oh,
They often call themselves "Sand-N" in a joking matter. Many of them also grew up being called that, so I always wonder how appropriate it is for them to use that phrase.
Was going to ask if anyone posted this. Can we just throw this in the OP for every thread like this from now on?
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I agree White people need to stop using the word, but maybe not call on a white girl to come sing on a song with lyrics that have that word multiple times in it?
How about Hip Hop artists stop using that word in songs? So we expect all white people to not sing along with the lyrics that are written? If you don't want that, then stop using the word.
How about Hip Hop artists stop using that word in songs? So we expect all white people to not sing along with the lyrics that are written? If you don't want that, then stop using the word.
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It's a thread of agreeable content now , saying anything otherwise is just an issue. So either get in line and on the same page or don't post is basically what's going on
Seems like a non-issue being blown up for the wrong reason. Girl came up, said it, Lamar told her not too, apologized, everyone moved on including the girl.
If your biggest hold up is why a white person cant say the n word. I feel like your priorities are in the wrong place.
If your biggest hold up is why a white person cant say the n word. I feel like your priorities are in the wrong place.
"Damn; she said it!"
"Yep...she did, and she shouldn't have"
"Yep"
*waits for white people to ask when it's ok to say it*
"NEVER!"
again, an excited fan. on stage with world famous performer. it was an honest mistake in the situation and many people would make the same mistake. You don't have to like my opinion but you also don't have to be condescending about it
It is a setup by the mods to ban people. Just like it was a setup by Kendrick to get that white person to say the n-word.
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Don't say the word.
Mixed (black/white) people can say it because they're basically black (like Obama is called the first black President even though he's half white). Dark skinned folks with no black in them? NOPE!
Round and round we go.
How about just not saying the word if you are not black?
"you see guys, it's too hard for white people to not say the word. So how about all black people stop saying it instead!? That'll fix the whole situation"
How many times do people need to say: if you're not black don't say it?
Honest mistakes can honestly get called out, and rightfully so.
I dont know why is it so hard for some of you not to say a word. Especially a word that wouldn't even come up in regular conversation. Can you control yourself in what you say at work? With family? With kids? Why is it so hard for some of you?
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I remember artists saying that back in the day that slapping a sticker/ parental advisory label on their music ruined or compromised their artistic integrity. Isn't singing the song and leaving out words doing the same thing?
I guess my point is ... if it is made for the masses, then the masses should be able to use it. Or just don't use the word period. He is highly intelligent and can surly come up with an alternative.
I personally would feel stupid as hell to be taken on stage and asked to sing along just so I can mumble or leave out certain words... get outta here with that shit. Either way it really is a no win situation.
I guess my point is ... if it is made for the masses, then the masses should be able to use it. Or just don't use the word period. He is highly intelligent and can surly come up with an alternative.
I personally would feel stupid as hell to be taken on stage and asked to sing along just so I can mumble or leave out certain words... get outta here with that shit. Either way it really is a no win situation.
Why do you need to sing that word? Why is not being able to say a word, one that is easily substituted in a dozen different ways, such a big deal? The song will still be hot fire with or without that word being sung along to.
From the previous thread as the 2 responses I got made it seem like I was asking to understand why people couldn't use the word but I was asking the opposite:
Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand why anyone would want to use the word - I'm European caucasian from Vancouver Canada, and have never used that word personally and never heard it conversationally growing up, so I don't have context outside of US media, reading literature, and my time in the US (and only started traveling or living there in later in my 20s).
Can someone explain it to me and hopefully I don't get banned asking it? But why do black people in the US still use that word if they as a society don't want it? Doesn't it seem to be to be continuing to imbue it into the lexicon of your society when you want it removed from it? Especially for those ignorant to the historical significance. I understand systematic racism towards black people is still very strong in the US (and possibly even getting worse), but unless you are a victim of the systematic racism, then you aren't experiencing it first hand, it seems it may be hard for a lot of newer sheltered generations to learn the historical significance. So they don't get the historical significance but experience it from pop culture often - so it seems to create these kinds of situations.
I just don't understand the logic. Does it have something to do with trying to own a word and create your own cultural power on it to override the awful history of it? I just read the history on it and it never had a positive connotation and repurposed for a negative / derogatory connotation like some words to want to bring it back to the positive connotation. Because the logic of wanting to repurpose it and owning it makes sense but it seems to me to be less of a pro then the con of continuing to imbue it into the lexicon of US society to me. Is this where the difference is in thoughts because nobody using the word at all and only culture that experienced it using it?
I just don't think I see it in any other situation in the other cultures or subcultures I've experienced or lived in. I just always go by the philosophy of only using the words someone wants to be described with - and if you're not sure you ask - so you don't have these situations like you see with this girl. While that would seem obvious, I do see this not being applied by a lot of people still, especially with the newer dynamic of pronouns.
And that's probably the best example I can understand and why this doesn't make sense to me. Unless I know I always ask someone what pronoun they prefer to use the correct pronoun for their gender identification (as an example), and then I never see them use the pronoun they don't prefer but don't tell me to use the pronoun they just used - that would seem counter-productive to me.
Thoughts? Again hopefully not banned for trying to understand. Mods please understand the ignorance when you don't have US context.
Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand why anyone would want to use the word - I'm European caucasian from Vancouver Canada, and have never used that word personally and never heard it conversationally growing up, so I don't have context outside of US media, reading literature, and my time in the US (and only started traveling or living there in later in my 20s).
Can someone explain it to me and hopefully I don't get banned asking it? But why do black people in the US still use that word if they as a society don't want it? Doesn't it seem to be to be continuing to imbue it into the lexicon of your society when you want it removed from it? Especially for those ignorant to the historical significance. I understand systematic racism towards black people is still very strong in the US (and possibly even getting worse), but unless you are a victim of the systematic racism, then you aren't experiencing it first hand, it seems it may be hard for a lot of newer sheltered generations to learn the historical significance. So they don't get the historical significance but experience it from pop culture often - so it seems to create these kinds of situations.
I just don't understand the logic. Does it have something to do with trying to own a word and create your own cultural power on it to override the awful history of it? I just read the history on it and it never had a positive connotation and repurposed for a negative / derogatory connotation like some words to want to bring it back to the positive connotation. Because the logic of wanting to repurpose it and owning it makes sense but it seems to me to be less of a pro then the con of continuing to imbue it into the lexicon of US society to me. Is this where the difference is in thoughts because nobody using the word at all and only culture that experienced it using it?
I just don't think I see it in any other situation in the other cultures or subcultures I've experienced or lived in. I just always go by the philosophy of only using the words someone wants to be described with - and if you're not sure you ask - so you don't have these situations like you see with this girl. While that would seem obvious, I do see this not being applied by a lot of people still, especially with the newer dynamic of pronouns.
And that's probably the best example I can understand and why this doesn't make sense to me. Unless I know I always ask someone what pronoun they prefer to use the correct pronoun for their gender identification (as an example), and then I never see them use the pronoun they don't prefer but don't tell me to use the pronoun they just used - that would seem counter-productive to me.
Thoughts? Again hopefully not banned for trying to understand. Mods please understand the ignorance when you don't have US context.
fair enough, but there are better cases to focus in on if you want to be the word police. christ. what is the point of this? To demonize a fan?
It's strange to me that so many of these conversations end up boiling down to "when can I say it?". Like I imagine a scenario where you push a black man out of the way of a speeding car and he reveals to you that he's a high ranking member of the black council and hands you a gold punch card that allows you ten free uses of the n-word in return for saving his life. Like do you expect black people of ERA to give you the okay to say the word in certain contexts? When you get called out for while singing along to Kendrick on the train are you going to say "but people on a video game message board told me this was okay!"? The answer is there is no answer. You have to be an adult and decide whether or not you want to say it. Period.
just dont say it, how hard is that?
seeing people pissed at this on reddit and alike is so disheartening. "Its a catchy song used on the radio constantly and they just sung along to words HE wrote! Asking a fan to come on stage and then improvise on top of a song they've heard a thousand times is a high order" Like bruh, the radio edit I guarantee doesn't have the word and asking someone to mute a single word is not asking them to re-write the song. Like fuck have you seen your faves perform on TV? How is K himself rapping it on Fallon, Colbert, Grammys, etc.
like when kids are in the car and a clean version of a song comes on are you making sure to fill the gaps?
this was a weird story to wake up to this morning
seeing people pissed at this on reddit and alike is so disheartening. "Its a catchy song used on the radio constantly and they just sung along to words HE wrote! Asking a fan to come on stage and then improvise on top of a song they've heard a thousand times is a high order" Like bruh, the radio edit I guarantee doesn't have the word and asking someone to mute a single word is not asking them to re-write the song. Like fuck have you seen your faves perform on TV? How is K himself rapping it on Fallon, Colbert, Grammys, etc.
like when kids are in the car and a clean version of a song comes on are you making sure to fill the gaps?
this was a weird story to wake up to this morning
Why don't you just post the actual point you're trying to make and save all some time here. Do you want a pass because you have been called it twice?
Charlie Sheen used to call Denise Richards a nigger, should she get a pass too?
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