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saenima

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Oct 25, 2017
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He invited her on stage to sing though?

And she could have replaced it with literally anything else, paused or refused to go up there. All of them more valid options than saying it. He called her out, she was cool with it and the world moved on. Well, except for those white people whose heads will apparently explode if they don't say this one word among thousands of words.
 

T'Challa Shakur

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"Man down
Where you from, nigga?"
"Fuck who you know, where you from, my nigga?"
"Where your grandma stay, huh, my nigga?"
"This m.A.A.d city I run, my nigga"

what's a nonblack person supposed to say here if they're rapping along. like bleep or pause or what

Ninja, Brotha, skipping that part...I mean this isnt rocket science.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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When rappers do a clean version of their song or a freestyle in certain appearances they'd let the beat pass and pause a moment before carrying on.
I've seen this in tons of instances.

If you can't even do it for one word, you got a problem.
Don't give a bloody monkeys if the word comes up 20 times. Don't say it.
 

Stone Cold

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Oct 27, 2017
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When I'm alone in the car I'll occassionaly sing along to the whole thing, but would never do so in public. Its not my word to use. Is that a fair stance to have? Or should is it a word I should just never use even privately? Asking seriously
 

Riderz1337

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And she could have replaced it with literally anything else, paused or refused to go up there. All of them more valid options than saying it. He called her out, she was cool with it and the world moved on. Well, except for those white people whose heads will apparently explode if they don't say this one word among thousands of words.
Ok but how is just "listening" a good argument when you've been invited on stage to sing the song?
 

HiLife

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lmao the song is filled with the word. Dude shouldn't even have called the white person on the stage to sing along with him.

It's only said in the hook in the beginning and at the end. 4 in the beginning and end. Maybe once during the verse. That isn't close to being "filled".

All Day by kanye? That's filled.
 

Cels

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Oct 26, 2017
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Brother, if you need to sing it

actually, when i played football "brother" is what black teammates would call everybody...not that they couldn't use the n-word but because it feels weird to call someone that when the nonblack teammate can't use that word

so everyone calls each other "brother" and there's no problems with that cause "brother" is not off limits to anybody
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Someone posted an amazing video in a thread a month or two ago where a black author (I think?) was asked about his stance on white people saying N word in songs, and his response was damn, damn good. Anyone have a clue what video I'm talking about that can post it?

"Man down
Where you from, buddy?"
"Fuck who you know, where you from, my friend?"
"Where your grandma stay, huh, my pal?"
"This m.A.A.d city I run, my guy"

what's a nonblack person supposed to say here if they're rapping along. like bleep or pause or what
I fixed it above! All better.
 

Uzuzu

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Kendrick Lamar should have just told her before she went up on stage to clear up any confusion. If a black author asked me to be the voice of their novel for the audiobook version, and the book contained the n-word, i would say it. Similarly if i was cast in the part of a play, written by a black author, where a character said the n-word, i would assume they want me to say. So if a black lyricist wants me to repeat their lyrics, i don't think it's unreasonable to confused about whether or not to say the n-word contained in those lyrics.
 
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Kendrick Lamar should have just told her before she went up on stage to clear up any confusion. If a black author asked me to be the voice of their novel for the audiobook version, and the book contained the n-word, i would say it. Similarly if i was cast in the part of a play, written by a black author, where a character said the n-word, i would assume they want me to say. So if a black lyricist wants me to repeat their lyrics, i don't think it's unreasonable to confused about whether or not to say the n-word contained in those lyrics.
Honestly you just sound like a guy who really wants to say N-word. I mean you came into the thread theory crafting all the ways you can think it would be okay for you to say it.

Just be honest with yourself.
 

Cordy

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Oct 25, 2017
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Reminds me of this Cole concert I went to. I saw so many white kids saying "nigga" that I was beginning to get pissed off. I just don't like hearing it. Difference is, Cole let em say it. Kendrick cut that shit out.
 

NinjaScooter

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"Man down
Where you from, nigga?"
"Fuck who you know, where you from, my nigga?"
"Where your grandma stay, huh, my nigga?"
"This m.A.A.d city I run, my nigga"

what's a nonblack person supposed to say here if they're rapping along. like bleep or pause or what

Say it if you want to. Nobody is actually stopping anybody from saying it, but recognize that the word carries a ton of historical baggage, and you are not entitled to have everyone be cool with you using it. Hell there are plenty of black people who are not cool with even Kendrick or other rappers or anyone using that word, even as a term of endearment.
 

Alfredo

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I don't listen to much rap music. I didn't know it's unacceptable to quote lyrics with the n-word. Is it really a common practice among fans to self-censor yourself when singing along if you're not black?

Now I feel bad cause I would often sing along to a Kanye song in the car. :(
 

House_Of_Lightning

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He's done this before without interrupting. Obviously what was the case yesterday doesn't necessarily carry over to today.

But inviting her up there specifically to sing that specific song which makes specific use of that word and how quickly the music stopped gives me the impression that this was a bit of theater and preplanned choreography and him signaling his opinion on this going forward.

That said, if that's the case, he could have just tweeted that bit of info out instead of putting that girl at the mercy of the Twitter Moron Army.
 

Deleted member 12224

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Gold all in my chain
Gold all in my ring
Gold all in my watch
Don't believe me just watch
(THREE WORD PAUSE)

Ez.
 

xxracerxx

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When I'm alone in the car I'll occassionaly sing along to the whole thing, but would never do so in public. Its not my word to use. Is that a fair stance to have? Or should is it a word I should just never use even privately? Asking seriously
Then you shouldn't be singing it alone, in my opinion. Using it, even in private, is a great way to get yourself to use it in public, even if not intentional.
 

Adam Sadler

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"Man down
Where you from, nigga?"
"Fuck who you know, where you from, my nigga?"
"Where your grandma stay, huh, my nigga?"
"This m.A.A.d city I run, my nigga"

what's a nonblack person supposed to say here if they're rapping along. like bleep or pause or what
Why do y'all overthink this so much? Lol honest question
 

JK-Money

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even when I listen to Lamar or NWA in my car and I sing along I don't repeat the N word, its not fucking hard people.
 

HStallion

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Man down
Where you from, nigga?"
"Fuck who you know, where you from, my nigga?"
"Where your grandma stay, huh, my nigga?"
"This m.A.A.d city I run, my nigga"

what's a nonblack person supposed to say here if they're rapping along. like bleep or pause or what

Don't say it. Simple as that. The bigger question you should be asking yourself in the first place is why you need to say it in the place first?
 

Mona

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its not even remotely hard to not to say the word, and anyone who says otherwise is full of crap

i personally just substitute it with migga and migger
 

AnubisRising

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Nov 7, 2017
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While its all on her and she shouldnt have said it and not on him i do feel that once the person she chose was white he should have picked a diff song that didnt use the word that often.

i will never understand why this word is still used in general but im not black so ill never say it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Need a bloody step by step presentation at this rate.
Even then it'll take an ungodly amount of patience considering how many times you have to repeat why you can't say it.
I just picture some of you like this lol. Falling on deaf ears.
oqz2pPF.gif
 

Stone Cold

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Then you shouldn't be singing it alone, in my opinion. Using it, even in private, is a great way to get yourself to use it in public, even if not intentional.
Mm, yeah I kind of figured that was probably the case. I understand the weight of the word and I couldn't ever in a million years ever seeing myself use it outside of that instance, but going forward I don't see myself using it ever. Even for a song. Appreciate the perspective.
 

HStallion

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Can ask some of you why you need to say the word? It being a song lyric is not a reason either. Why do you want to say this word so badly?
 

Mariachi507

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Oct 26, 2017
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Damn, that other thread is a graveyard. I'm not surprised though.

For the posters that are going to come in here and ask "why can't I say the n-word when it's in the context of a song?" just do yourself a favor and check out the locked thread (or you can probably wait just a little while and check this one out). Please, just humble yourself and read the emotional reactions that come as a response to someone doing so. Even though you might deem reciting song lyrics as insignificant, there are a large number of people who are really affected by that action. This doesn't even get into the history of the word itself, but hell that should be enough.

Censoring yourself in this context is nowhere near of an inconvenience compared to what the ramifications are for the people affected by it.
 

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I thought this was well-handled by Kendrick Lamar.

There isn't even a consensus in the black community about the word. White Americans surely shouldn't say it.
 

JK-Money

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Need a bloody step by step presentation at this rate.
Even then it'll take an ungodly amount of patience considering how many times you have to repeat why you can't say it.
I just picture some of you like this lol. Falling on deaf ears.
oqz2pPF.gif
I mean starbucks is having Professional Development to teach employees not to be racist. I think we need to sit every white person down and have a powerpoint presentation ready for them.
 

Croash

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Oct 27, 2017
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Reposting myself from the other thread:

I am wondering: Are similarly sounding substitute words acceptable, such as "mega", or would that simply warrant the same reactions given that it'll surely be impossible to see a difference in such a context?

Just not certain if, if there actually is a choice between omitting and changing the word, then changing should lead to a quite different word.

All of these similar stories/threads are quite important and it's great to have more examples on how things can be handled very well by all parties. I don't listen to songs myself so I've never been in a situation like this, but my sister told me of how she learned to stop using the word after reading such stories, so clearly education like this works and it's a good thing she's now part of those spreading the word.

People who post about how it makes no sense, please take a few minutes to consider how it can negatively affect more people, and with more impact, than you.

I guess one tough part at first is understanding that "singing along" isn't literally "repeat all those words" for this scenario. You're still technically singing along but it implies being sensitive.

The act itself is as simple as a situation where you're repeating a famous quote but omitting/changing an offensive word because there's a child in the room. People do that naturally. The difference here is that this is between adults and the word is offensive only when spoken by specific individuals.

Did we ever repeat something like this 2016 GAF thread on ERA? https://www./threads/nigga-and-you-a-comprehensive-guide-to-the-n-word.1281323/
 

Lundren

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not very hard.

I think a more interesting question is "How hard it is to be a rap fan and not sing the word?". Because I think if anything can be discussed in the light of the mod post it's that. Is Kendrick writing that song thinking of white fans? Is it intellectually honest to assume this music and these lyrics are for "everybody"? Is a "white fan" an unwelcome guest of sort, basically wanted for his money but not really part of the moment?

Because other than that no, there's really nothing to discuss. White people should not say the N word. So what does that mean for Rap music and black artists who accept white people as fans?

White fans are allowed to listen to music. They are allowed to dance to music. They are not allowed to say one word.

White people don't like the fact there's a word they can't say.

What use is white privilege if you have one thing you have to worry about? It's a shame really.
 

Johnny Blaze

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Oct 29, 2017
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"Man down
Where you from, nigga?"
"Fuck who you know, where you from, my nigga?"
"Where your grandma stay, huh, my nigga?"
"This m.A.A.d city I run, my nigga"

what's a nonblack person supposed to say here if they're rapping along. like bleep or pause or what
Yes just pause.

I was at a Kendrick concert recently and had no problems pausing at gkmc and all the other songs. It's not that difficult.
 

JK-Money

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Can ask some of you why you need to say the word? It being a song lyric is not a reason either. Why do you want to say this word so badly?
probably because they know they shouldn't so they feel power from pronouncing it, sort of a "I'm forbidden to say it but fuck you all you cant tell me what to do ill say it anyways"
 
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