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Did anyone read the same quote as me? Doesn't seem like Lamar was being a dick or she was being a dick. He tells her she's got to beep one word and she's fucking mortified that she used the N word.

Like, people are getting a bit too upset.
 

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Going by the past month, I am shocked no one called the police on him
 

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It's not what i said. But when you're used to sing a song in a way, wether it's in your head or not, it's hard to sing it differently when you do.

I mean, there's a bunch of songs i can't sing properly because i've always heard incorrect lyrics and sang it with those incorrect lyrics. Even after i learned the true lyrics, i still couldn't switch to the right ones. So it's not a hard stretch of imagination that someone that know a song perfectly will have a hard time to change the lyrics on the fly on a specific situation. Especially when the situation is on stage with the artist you're a fan of.

So no matter the good will of the people singing theses songs, the issue will still happen from time to time.
Yeah I don't think any of that applies to the word in question.
 

Halbrand

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It literally came out of her mouth. She chose to say it. I don't know a single adult white person that doesn't know the score here.

Being able to say this word is really, really important to some of you.
You're assuming bad faith about her calling her a piece of shit, which is wrong. It's reasonable to assume that she felt she was expecting to sing the words as Kendrick had wrote them. There was no bad intention. This isn't about using the word in everyday conversation. Personally, I wouldn't use half the words in the song in normal conversation or reciting the lyrics myself, but I can't blame her if she assumed she was simply expected to sing it as it was written.
 

Protome

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Did anyone read the same quote as me? Doesn't seem like Lamar was being a dick or she was being a dick. He tells her she's got to beep one word and she's fucking mortified that she used the N word.

Like, people are getting a bit too upset.
Most people in the thread are on the same page as you. There's just a couple of people who really want to defend white people's right to drop n-bombs for some reason.
 

Wamb0wneD

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It's really very easy to not use that word. And lol at the "but he tricked her!" sentiment. Maybe he didn't want to assume that a random white fan is a piece of shit.

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"It's a publicity setup!" "He baited her!" "Well if they don't want her to say it then don't use it yourself"

Ask yourself why you aren't saying that white people just shouldn't say it.

A white lady dropped an n bomb on stage and you're saying we can't blame her. He should have infantalized her and assumed she would make an error like that?
Dude this is like, the beginning of the track:

"Man down, where you from, nigga?"
"Fuck who you know! Where you from, my nigga?"
"Where your grandma stay, huh, my nigga?"
"This m.A.A.d city I run, my nigga"


Why the fuck would you invite someone on stage to rap along who is not even allowed to do so in whole sentences?
You act like she slipped it in where it doesn't belong.
It's pretty damn clear he knew what would happen.
And that's ok I guess, he made a point. Sucks for the lady but eh.
 

Azerare

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Maybe he should of told her that before she even sang the song, these people are fans of the artists and they're just reading the lyrics as they are written, he shouldn't have brought up a person that shouldn't have said that word up to sing the song

Plain and simple, end of story as I drop the mic
Yeah it definitely opens up a needed discussion on the subject. I could see both viewpoints/sides.
 

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Dude this is like, the beginning of the track:
"Man down, where you from, nigga?"
"Fuck who you know! Where you from, my nigga?"
"Where your grandma stay, huh, my nigga?"
"This m.A.A.d city I run, my nigga"

Why the fuck would you invite someone on stage to rap along who is not even allowed to rap along in whole senteces?
You act like she slipped it in where it doesn't belong.
I guess expecting white people to use common sense with saying nigga in public is too much to ask. Instead we get a whinge fest whenever someone does it and gets called out on it. Like it's the worst thing in the world for them to censor themselves.
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You're assuming bad faith about her calling her a piece of shit, which is wrong. It's reasonable to assume that she felt she was expecting to sing the words as Kendrick had wrote them. There was no bad intention. This isn't about using the word in everyday conversation. Personally, I wouldn't use half the words in the song in normal conversation or reciting the lyrics myself, but I can't blame her if she assumed she was simply expected to sing it as it was written.

What's the correct term for a white person that uses that word? Genuinely curious what your opinion is here. If I would have said "racist" people would have flipped the fuck out.

And yeah, good on her if she never uses the word again. Obviously. It should not take a musician telling you in person to know that though.
 

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White people, ugh.
 

Wamb0wneD

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I guess expecting white people to use common sense with saying nigga in public is too much to ask. Instead we get a whinge fest whenever someone does it and gets called out on it. Like it's the worst thing in the world for them to censor themselves.
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I edited my post before seeing yours. I'm not saying it's bad that he did it, but if you think he didn't know what he was doing with this track specifically I don't know what to tell you. So she was invited on stage to not really rap along then. Ok. Half of the damn start is basically not ok for her to say, why invite her on stage lol.
 

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I've never been called up to stage to rap with one of my idols in front of thousands of people. But I wouldn't call someone stupid for not being able to censor themselves in that situation.

I also don't blame Kendrick for asking her not to do it. He has every right to do so. Seemed like she meant no harm at all by it, kind of a shitty situation tbh.
 

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And yeah, good on her if she never uses the word again. Obviously. It should not take a musician telling you in person to know that though.
As much as it sucks, I do think there's still confusion and needed discussion about it still being wrong to use of the word when it comes to songs and lyrics. That's why I considered this story to be a good lesson.
 

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I edited my post before seeing yours. I'm not saying it's bad that he did it, but if you think he didn't know what he was doing with this track specifically I don't know what to tell you. So she was invited on stage to not really rap along then. Ok. Half of the damn start is basically not ok for her to say. Why invite her on stage lol.
Out of the 25 words in that verse, she only has to skip 4. This isn't some Herculean task. Especially when it comes at the end of the line
 

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I edited my post before seeing yours. I'm not saying it's bad that he did it, but if you think he didn't know what he was doing with this track specifically I don't know what to tell you. So she was invited on stage to not really rap along then. Ok. Half of the damn start is basically not ok for her to say. Why invite her on stage lol.
That or do a different song. He has other songs that don't drop the word as much. It was used as an opportunity to educate at least so there is that.
 

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Dude this is like, the beginning of the track:

"Man down, where you from, nigga?"
"Fuck who you know! Where you from, my nigga?"
"Where your grandma stay, huh, my nigga?"
"This m.A.A.d city I run, my nigga"


Why the fuck would you invite someone on stage to rap along who is not even allowed to do so in whole sentences?
You act like she slipped it in where it doesn't belong.
It's pretty damn clear he knew what would happen.
And that's ok I guess, he made a point. Sucks for the lady but eh.

I don't know what to tell you besides it is common sense to not say it. I have no idea whether or not he intended for this to happen, but I'm going to say we should try to do better. If you use that word it's on you. End of story. Nobody can "bait" me into using it.
 

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Yeah I don't think any of that applies to the word in question.

What applies is that people usually don't think very much when listening or singing songs. So expecting them to think enough to remove a word, no matter wich one, while on stage in front of thousands of people is a bit much. Stress is not good for thinking straight.
 

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A white lady dropped an n bomb on stage and you're saying we can't blame her. He should have infantalized her and assumed she would make an error like that?
Can't blame her cause the word is in the lyrics, quite a lot of times as well it seems. So no, we can't blame her. A fan (hard to believe I know), finally gets on stage with her big idol and can sing HIS song with him.
 

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As much as it sucks, I do think there's still confusion and needed discussion about it still being wrong to use of the word when it comes to songs and lyrics. That's why I considered this story to be a good lesson.

I mean beyond the initial usage it was handled well by both parties, so I would agree with it being a good lesson.
 

Wamb0wneD

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Out of the 25 words in that verse, she only has to skip 4. This isn't some Herculean task. Especially when it comes at the end of the line
So she's like a walking MTV video then? Man that sounds like fun. That's why I go to concerts. The "my" doesn't make much sense either when the word isn't included. Actually scrap that. The way the word is emphazised there repeatedly is a rhyming technique and makes leaving it out sound like shit.
Also, again: I'm not saying interrupting her was wrong, I'm saying he knew what he was doing.
I don't know what to tell you besides it is common sense to not say it. I have no idea whether or not he intended for this to happen, but I'm going to say we should try to do better. If you use that word it's on you. End of story. Nobody can "bait" me into using it.
Earlier you basically stated people who say he knew what was going to happen are wrong. That's why I responded to you.
If you invite someone on stage with those lyrics right at the start it's pretty much bound to happen. Noone being invited on stage from maybe one of their favourite artists would leave out half the damn lyrics at the start when invited to rap along with him.
 
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You're assuming bad faith about her calling her a piece of shit, which is wrong. It's reasonable to assume that she felt she was expecting to sing the words as Kendrick had wrote them. There was no bad intention. This isn't about using the word in everyday conversation. Personally, I wouldn't use half the words in the song in normal conversation or reciting the lyrics myself, but I can't blame her if she assumed she was simply expected to sing it as it was written.

I don't care about her intention...?

Did anyone watch the video? When K-Dot stopped the music she had no idea at all what the problem was. Completely oblivious to what she did.

Maybe that's the problem.
 

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I feel like something should have said BEFOREHAND, otherwise it feels like an invitation or a free pass considering it's part of the song. I would've skipped the word because I'm a little bitch, but not everyone is as much a weenie as me.
 

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I didn't know the link had a video. It actually doesn't really seem absent minded at all. Also Jesus why would you ever do this? She sounds horrible up there, who is that fun for?

But yea, kinda sounds like she put emphasis on it, and the whole crowd reacted. Doesn't really seem like a slip of the tongue.
 

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I think the best way to avoid this would be for everyone, black people included, to stop using that word, especially in music.

Because yeah, when you sing along to a song you like, you don't always think about the lyrics and just say them in rythm. So the issue will happen over and over again.
I think it's best if people such as yourself, stopped viewing rappers as being the arbiters of blackness. It may come as a shock to you, but what rappers do and say aren't representative of all black people.
Just because it's in a song doesn't mean it ceases to be a slur if you're not black.

And if you're not black, who gives a shit what you think black should or shouldn't do regarding its usage among us. Stay in your lane.
 

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Looking at old videos of him doing this and yep, they all say it when they perform Maad City. Except Kendrick didn't cut the music till now lol.
 

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Can't blame her cause the word is in the lyrics, quite a lot of times as well it seems. So no, we can't blame her. A fan (hard to believe I know), finally gets on stage with her big idol and can sing HIS song with him.
We can actually, no one forced her or asked her to sing the song verbatim. Take responsibility for your own actions
 

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What applies is that people usually don't think very much when listening or singing songs. So expecting them to think enough to remove a word, no matter wich one, while on stage in front of thousands of people is a bit much. Stress is not good for thinking straight.

I'm not convinced. It doesn't take much thought at all to not say that particular word. Arguing that it's "stressful" somehow to not say a slur is completely wild to me.

At this point we're going in circles so Imma bounce. Peace.
 

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Issue was resolved in a peaceful manner but if he doesn't want certain people using a certain word he should just not put it into the song period.
Indeed. It is very hard to argue that there is a racist intent or connotation with a fan singing a song by a black musician that contains the word without removing it. Of course, singing "nigger" is not abstaining it from being racist altogether, you could, for instance, sing a song by a racist band and then it being part of the song can hardly be an excuse. But overall the sensibility that the word may be used very freely in art by the group it has been used against but needs to be censored out by other groups does not appear to be rational to me and I feel Kendrick's reaction here was rather pity, considering it was a devout fan (obviously) who was certainly, by singing the song as written originally, not intending to hurt anyone.

Overall, my point is: It is fine to be against people using a word that has been used, historically and also currently, to demean a group of people, but if you want to reserve the right to continue using it yourself (which I do not understand at all, but I see no big issue in it either), there is one instance, where from my perspective, you need to accept all people to use the word, which is, when they cite you. Singing exactly the lyrics he or his team wrote to exactly the musical track he or his team wrote counts as a citationand not as a liberal usage of the word, so it should be acceptable from my perspective. To be clear here: Just "citing the word" instead of the whole context as a crazy loophole to get to use the word in arbitrary ways, is of course inacceptable.
 

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Am I the only one who doesnt feel comfortable around that word, like at all? No matter who says it?

Maybe because I'm french and in Quebec, raised in the 80s and 90s, I never heard that thing.
 
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And if you're not black, who gives a shit what you think black should or shouldn't do regarding its usage among us. Stay in your lane.
But you don't seem to give a shit what certain black people think about it's usage if they disagree with you.

It's the opinion itself that matters. Like, you don't have to give a shit that I agree with you that white people probably just shouldn't say it, but, my opinion is valid.
 

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We can actually, no one forced her or asked her to sing the song verbatim. Take responsibility for your own actions

It's a song with the word, multiple times in the lyrics. You sing a long as to how the song goes. I would do the same no matter the words that written down. Thinking? Sure, the presumably amazing experience that I got on stage. Luckily I don't give a shit about this kind of music, so it simply doesn't ever come along for me. Still, it's a song, she sang the song, Done. Nothing more and nothing less. People that truly believe there's more behind all of this really seem lost to me.

It's not about "us white people" want a reason to say the n-word. I for one couldn't care less. Words are words and don't hurt me in the slightest. That black artists really seem to like the word to express whatever they want, is their good right to do so. But then don't expect that a random (big time) fan who happens to be white, sings along with your song when it's playing at home, in the car or whatever and then censoring some words. That's like singing along to Limp Bizkit on VEVO where half the lyrics are censored, and you do the same.
 

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I think a lot of people forget that white people see the N-word as more of a slur more akin to fuck, shit or cunt and really don't think about the history behind the word.
Did anyone read the same quote as me? Doesn't seem like Lamar was being a dick or she was being a dick. He tells her she's got to beep one word and she's fucking mortified that she used the N word.

Like, people are getting a bit too upset.

yeah like. people are allowed to fuck up guys, if she is genuinely sorry then whats the problem?
 
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It's a song with the word, multiple times in the lyrics. You sing a long as to how the song goes. I would do the same no matter the words that written down. Thinking? Sure, the presumably amazing experience that I got on stage. Luckily I don't give a shit about this kind of music, so it simply doesn't ever come along for me. Still, it's a song, she sang the song, Done. Nothing more and nothing less. People that truly believe there's more behind all of this is lost.

It's not about "us white people" want a reason to say the n-word. I for one couldn't care less. Words are words and don't hurt me in the slightest. That black artists really seem to like the word to express whatever they want, is their good right to do so. But then don't expect that a random (big time) fan who happens to be white, sings along with your song when it's playing at home, in the car or whatever and then censoring some words. That's like singing along to Limp Bizkit on VEVO where half the lyrics are censored, and you do the same.

Already posted but I might as well do it again to drive the point since it clearly hasn't sunk in.

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But you don't seem to give a shit what certain black people think about it's usage if they disagree with you.

It's the opinion itself that matters. Like, you don't have to give a shit that I agree with you that white people probably just shouldn't say it, but, my opinion is valid.
Where did I mention anything about how black people feel about its usage?

Discussion about whether or not black people should or shouldn't be using it, is a discussion black and only black people get to be a part of.

Who gives a shit what you think we should be doing when it comes to its use among us if you are not black.
Also, it's not just white people who shouldn't say it. If you're not black, you shouldn't say it.
 

Skade

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I'm not convinced. It doesn't take much thought at all to not say that particular word. Arguing that it's "stressful" somehow to not say a slur is completely wild to me.

At this point we're going in circles so Imma bounce. Peace.

I did not say it's stressfull to say or not the word on stage. I said it's stressfull to sing a song on stage, leading to mistakes one would not make in "real-life".
 
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