He's not wrong about threads that have anything to do with red government (communism/socialism). It's legit scary what people try to justify. I just slowly back away from those threads.
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Film Theory: Thanos was right!
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He's not wrong about threads that have anything to do with red government (communism/socialism). It's legit scary what people try to justify. I just slowly back away from those threads.
You haven't seen the tankies say Stalin's attrocities were just "western propaganda" in the last few threads about the communism? Because they were hard to miss. Same with the people vehemently arguing that the Holodomor "didn''t count" as a genocide. Some of them are in this thread.
Pointing out that genocide denial is a recurring topic in this forum is not McCarthyism.
Thanos happens upon a civilization that has reached Type 2 on Kardashev's scale. He's a bit weirded out to see that this civilization doesn't live on a planet, but rather in a gargantuan Dyson Sphere constructed around their sun.
Thanos: "I will slaughter half of your population, so that other half might survive!"
K2 rep: "Excuse me Mr. Thanos, but survive what exactly?"
Thanos: "The horrors of overpopulation."
*Shows them the fate of Titan*
K2 rep: "That's sad and all Mr. Thanos, but do you have any idea how numerous we are? Our equivalent of a music band no one has ever heard of could fill up the entire surface area of your planet for their concert. In a mosh pit. While at it, our civilization is post-scarcity. This means we're not short of shit. Our standard of living is hilariously high. Average life expectancy here is ten dozens of centuries and we expect that to get longer as we go along. We are so big, "small groups" here could donate equivalent of 10 bucks per person to crowdfund sculpting a planet into a penis for memes. In fact, you see that disc world over there? Flat Earthers kickstarted that."
Thanos: " but..."
K2 reps: "We are also currently finishing another Dyson Sphere in the neighbouring star system and we plan to make more of these. We also considering converting our spheres into Matrioshka Brains - you know, really big solar-powered computers -and uploading our minds into simulated VR realities where we live in near-infinite utopias till the end of time. We're K2 and there's at least one K above that possible.
Thanos:"..."
K2 rep: "So uh, you feel like ramming up that glove of yours up your Malthusian ass yet?"
And that K2 representative's name? Albert Einstein.
Thanos: "I will slaughter half of your population, so that other half might survive!"
K2 rep: "Excuse me Mr. Thanos, but survive what exactly?"
Thanos: "The horrors of overpopulation."
*Shows them the fate of Titan*
K2 rep: "That's sad and all Mr. Thanos, but do you have any idea how numerous we are? Our equivalent of a music band no one has ever heard of could fill up the entire surface area of your planet for their concert. In a mosh pit. While at it, our civilization is post-scarcity. This means we're not short of shit. Our standard of living is hilariously high. Average life expectancy here is ten dozens of centuries and we expect that to get longer as we go along. We are so big, "small groups" here could donate equivalent of 10 bucks per person to crowdfund sculpting a planet into a penis for memes. In fact, you see that disc world over there? Flat Earthers kickstarted that."
Thanos: " but..."
K2 reps: "We are also currently finishing another Dyson Sphere in the neighbouring star system and we plan to make more of these. We also considering converting our spheres into Matrioshka Brains - you know, really big solar-powered computers -and uploading our minds into simulated VR realities where we live in near-infinite utopias till the end of time. We're K2 and there's at least one K above that possible.
Thanos:"..."
K2 rep: "So uh, you feel like ramming up that glove of yours up your Malthusian ass yet?"
And that K2 representative's name? Albert Einstein.
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I know of this fact. I was wondering who were the posters claiming that it didn't happen.
It's not just laziness, he doesn't fate sboyt thst period, n matter how much he insists otherwise. He just wants an excuse to kill and get revenge on a universe that he feels wronged him/his planet.
His goal isn't in even the slightest achieved by his actions because like even killing half of everything requires maintenance. And I'm not even talking about needing to do it again every century or so. I'm talking about how we wiped out half of ALL life. Not half of all humans or whatever. Half of all life period. Which means he wiped out half of food species/plants and animals as well in the universe.
Which means he accomplished fuck all other than mass murder. If he wanted to truly achieve his goals, murder would require the same amount of careful maintenance to "work" as any other method, carefully selecting which organisms live and which don't down to the last individual.
Of course, he didn't do that in the movie. Nowhere close. Because he's not just lazy. He was completely full of shit, 100% all of the way through. All he wanted was an excuse to kill and that's it, just a bunch of pretention because he refused to admit what he truly is even to himself.
They didn't show a single non-human level organism getting affected by the snap. Thanos intention was to wipe out half of sentient (for lack of a better word) life, not any livestock or vegetation. If half the "life" by your very loose definition was gone, you'd have noticed half the trees/grass disappearing at Wakanda: it didn't.
He didn't want to have to kill half the universe. Nobody offered him an alternate solution in however long he's been alive since Titan died out, thus he continued on his path. Neither did the avengers during the course of the film. If he was only in it for the killing he wouldn't have made it clear that his plan was to retire immediately afterwards to be a farmer. He's not lazy. He's aware that what you suggest is entirely impossible to do which is why he wanted to go for a purely random choice in the first place.
The parallels to the current state of the earth are obvious; climate change stands to kill a large proportion of the humans alive (likely well more than half) if we continued as is without changing anything. No one man can force the population of the Earth to stop using carbon on unsafe levels, and every step towards something better is faced with significant pushback (like the pumpkin in chief wanting america out of the paris agreements) but if the Earth had only half the population? Well, that'd cut the amount of carbon used significantly, and is possible for him to do alone.
I do legitimately expect part of the resolution of Avengers 4 being attempting to talk Thanos down, and either showing him his plan didn't have the results he expected/giving him another option, rather than dealing with him purely by force.
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I still maintain it would have been cool to see Thanos do all of this just for a date night with Mistress Death.
I don't really get the hate for MatPat. I see it all the time in various places.
Most of his theories just come off as fun fluff content that shouldn't be taken seriously. The only time he comes off as serious is during indie games that have mystery elements to them.
Most of his theories just come off as fun fluff content that shouldn't be taken seriously. The only time he comes off as serious is during indie games that have mystery elements to them.
Those who believe Thanos was right need to give this a watch and imagine having to justify this Malthusian malarkey to such civilizations.
I believe an advanced enough civ doesn't really give a single solitary fuck about the problems Thanos wants to fix.
A civilization we might one day become and sooner than one might think.
I believe an advanced enough civ doesn't really give a single solitary fuck about the problems Thanos wants to fix.
A civilization we might one day become and sooner than one might think.
Watching this actually made me agree with Thanos...not because he made good points but his schtick was so annoying.
I don't think the film ever sells him as "right". He is just too affected by being unable to save Titan and is delusional that he somehow is saving the world by doing this. He is utterly convinced that he is doing the right thing and I think Brolin did an outstanding job. The smile at the end of the film is so powerful because of this.
People saying that Thanos was wrong are missing the point. It's not about being "right or wrong", there is no plot hole. He is delusional and absolutely sure that he is right. And that's all that matters to him.
Would have been amazing to see a cloaked female figure just standing there in the distance when he ends up in the soul realm. No interaction, just ... There.
Thanos was a murderous tyrant that decides to eradicate half of the universe to prove his insane, genocidal idea as ultimately right - that it would have saved his home planet, and that his species was wrong to shun him. He isn't in it to help people - his goal isn't even to just eradicate half the population of planets that are on the brink of self-destruction due to resource scarcity. It's just "You think I'm crazy? Well, we'll see how crazy I am - *does something crazy*.".
Well yes. Without torturing Nebula he doesn't gain access to the Soul Stone. Without killing the Dwarves he doesn't get the gauntlet.
He didn't need to kill all the dwarves. That was just excessive cruelty on his part.
And you thinking he's justified in torturing his own daughter for "the good of the universe"... says a lot about you.
Who the fuck said I thought he was justified in torturing Nebula? I'm saying in Thanos's mind he was doing whatever was necessary in order to save the universe.
As for the dwarves I thought there was a specific reason he killed them all but I can't remember if that's correct.
It was to prevent them from using the facility to build other powerful artefacts for people who might challenge him. That's also why he took the hands of the survivor (whom he spared for helping him).
He killed them and locked Etri's hands so something like Stormbreaker or another Gauntlet couldn't be made.
And because he really likes killing. Need to stress that more.
Which is not very good writing. Rather than use his extremely powerful armies to keep systems in line and require them to regulate their populations, he sought omnipotence so that he could kill half of everyone. Even once he had the gauntlet he certainly could have used the threat of it to keep systems in line (with his fully armed and operational battle glove).
It feels like the writers were trying hard to channel Watchmen (i.e. Adrian Veidt) while incorporating elements of the original IW storyline. He has to want to kill half of everyone because that's how the story goes, but they're attempting to portray him as someone who is very pained by what they are doing, and who has a morally righteous motivation for doing his terrible things, which weigh heavily on his conscience. But for someone being depicted as that intelligent, calculating, and ultimately caring in an odd way, his plan doesn't make sense. Hence people defend it as just "oh well he's mad so that's fine", but that wasn't what it feels like people were supposed to take away from his character. They've been trying to depict him in a far more sympathetic and humanized light than, say, the villain of Kingsmen who has an otherwise similar plan (blow up tons of people to save planet). They treat him like he's "morally complex", and videos like this one seem to agree, but that's just dreck, really. [man who conquered most of the galaxy and did what nobody else ever could just didn't think of many basic solutions to problem] doesn't really read, but again, the writer's depiction of him in the story seems to be that he's not just a frothing luny.
In your initial post, you said "Thanos never comes across as a dude who has any hidden motivations other than the well being of the universe." If this is true, why is he murdering innocent people? Why is he torturing and abusing his daughters? How can that come off as well-intentioned to you?
Because there's no actual malice behind his actions. His sole purpose is to preserve life in the universe by any means within his limited scope of power. At the time he feels killing half of all life is the best way to keep life from ultimately going extinct. I viewed this version of Thanos more like Ozymandias from Watchmen more than anything.
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"I know what it is like to lose. To feel so desperately that you are right, but to fail nonetheless". Is the very first line from him in the movie.
He is set out to prove to the universe that his ideology was the right one to save it.
He believed it so much that it became a religious pilgrimage for him. Religious people always try to sound sane but you and I know they never are.
You ever sit there and watch debates between religious people and intellectual people?
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The only reason these people support these theories is more than obvious: let's cull half the population, specifically, those non-whites.
It's pathetic.
It's pathetic.
I saw Thanos as a cult leader, that's the vibe I got from him. He genuinely does care, but that capacity isn't the same as a normal person. His talk to Gamora to get the soul stone sold it for me. He says he's the only one who sees the solution and also has the will to follow through. That's some "God talked to me so I bought a plot of land in South America to take me people to" shit. Except, Thanos sees himself as God, not that God speaks to him.
It doesn't matter if he is right or wrong, because he believes he is right.
It doesn't matter if he is right or wrong, because he believes he is right.
The fact that people can even attempt to have some sort of debate on Thano's plan (and what it would look like in the real world) shows just how fucked up some people can be.
Thanos has a deviant syndrom, why is people actually arguing over the fact that he was right or wrong? Weird
uh, I'm speechless, that's as fucked up as the idiots who deny the holocaust...
