The Whitehouse Has Released An Article Regarding MS-13

JonnyDBrit · May 21, 2018

Just to warn: It is deliberately graphic.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/need-know-violent-animals-ms-13/

Following on from his recent remarks on the subject - see: here - the Trump Admin has decided to double down on the rhetoric, and in particular, the usage of 'animals', as they attempt to explain what MS-13 is.

Too many innocent Americans have fallen victim to the unthinkable violence of MS-13's animals.

At the State of the Union in January 2018, President Trump brought as his guests Elizabeth Alvarado, Robert Mickens, Evelyn Rodriguez, and Freddy Cuevas, the parents of Nisa Mickens and Kayla Cuevas. Police believe these young girls were chased down and brutally murdered by MS-13 gang members on Long Island, New York, in 2016. Suffolk County Police Commissioner stated that the "murders show a level of brutality that is close to unmatched."

In Maryland, MS-13's animals are accused of stabbing a man more than 100 times and then decapitating him, dismembering him, and ripping his heart out of his body. Police believe MS-13 members in Maryland also savagely beat a 15-year-old human trafficking victim. The MS-13 animals used a bat and took turns beating her nearly 30 times in total.

In Houston, Texas, two MS-13 members were charged after kidnapping and sexually assaulting one girl and murdering another. The two MS-13 animals laughed, smiled, and waved for cameras in court as they faced the charges.

The article goes on from there. This is how you train someone to hear a dogwhistle.

Tbm24 · May 21, 2018

Hell of a thing to have hosted on the White House website for the explicit purpose of covering for Trump's racism.

Conciliator · May 21, 2018

pretty much right from the dehumanization playbook

A Fish Aficionado · May 21, 2018

"animals"
Dude, they're "criminals" and MS-13 is a US export.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-the-u-s-fueled-the-rise-of-ms-13/

Commedieu · May 21, 2018

I don't even know what to say to this. The women and children at the border weren't Animals, or MS13..

Pathetic attempt at damage control.

meowdi gras · May 21, 2018

Projecting again

vacantseas · May 21, 2018

I'm beginning to think the people running this white house are not the best.

Skelepuzzle · May 21, 2018

Yeah, the usage of "animal" is a deliberate attempt to dehumanize immigrants by association. MS13 are murderers and criminals, it's fine to just call them what they actually are.

Deleted member 6223 · May 21, 2018

Insidious. They have (and Trump) already tried to tie MS-13 to brown immigrants so this is as loud as you can get.

MasterYoshi · May 21, 2018

I'm really unsettled by the usage of the word animal lately.

Spine Crawler · May 21, 2018

even if someone is a criminal they ahave basic human rights and are not animals.

Azuran · May 21, 2018

Trump and his cronies sure love describing their violent fantasies in graphic detail.

A Fish Aficionado · May 21, 2018

Reminds me of that guy in the Ken Burns documentary about the Vietnam War.
He says something to the effect of, " There is only one person I killed in Vietnam...and that's Racism 101"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-happened-in-vietnam/?utm_term=.291be4ec7ac6

KillLaCam · May 21, 2018

I couldn't think of anything to say about that wouldn't get me banned lol. Guess I'll go through with getting my Singaporean citizenship.

John Rabbit · May 21, 2018

"Where rats appear, they bring ruin by destroying mankind's goods and foodstuffs. In this way, they spread disease, plague, leprosy, typhoid fever, cholera, dysentery, and so on. They are cunning, cowardly and cruel and are found mostly in large packs. Among the animals, they represent the rudiment of an insidious, underground destruction – just like the Jews among human beings."

Joule · May 21, 2018

What a strange, horribly written article. But if I remember correctly, MS-13 is one of the most powerful and ruthless gangs in the world.

NinjaScooter · May 21, 2018

This is like some straight up 1920s "hide your women from the negro savages" type shit. History is not going to look back fondly on this administration or the pieces of trash that voted for and supported it.

GodofWine · May 21, 2018

I've never heard of MS13 until Trump..and I've never heard anyone say MS13 besides him or his administration.

NinjaScooter · May 21, 2018

GodofWine said:
I've never heard of MS13 until Trump..and I've never heard anyone say MS13 besides him or his administration.

It's a bullshit dogwhistle and fear mongering tactic they've been using to get racist white people scared of a threat they will likely never encounter in order to justify their blatantly bigoted immigration policies.

Deleted member 12379 · May 21, 2018

And here I thought brown on brown violence was a staple of the 80s govt policies. Are you telling me a gang that was created in the USA first and allowed to fester for 40 years has now grown to become the largest and most violent gang in the country? Made in America. Only the best.

Let's focus on immigration tho. Cause theyre brown.

hobblygobbly · May 21, 2018

This is the first time I have heard of the gang (I'm not from the U.S), and this is on the wiki page:

According to the United States Government, members of MS-13 are not human but are in fact "violent animals."

First time I have ever read such a thing.

Netherscourge · May 21, 2018

Trump can't distinguish MS-13 gang members from perfectly law abiding undocumented immigrants.

That's why this is all bullshit.

Trump calls out the gang members as animals, but the majority of people being deported by Jeff Sessions & ICE are fine, decent, working, law-abiding immigrants. Hell, some undocumented US soldiers have been deported.

MetroidPrimeRib · May 21, 2018

With the way they talk about MS-13 you'd think they were the Zeta Cartel or ISIS, when they didn't know what MS-13 was a week ago. I mean they are horrific but the way conservatives fall in line immediately is frightening.

EdibleKnife · May 21, 2018

NinjaScooter said:
This is like some straight up 1920s "hide your women from the negro savages" type shit. History is not going to look back fondly on this administration or the pieces of trash that voted for and supported it.

Right? I hope descendents of the current Republican Party look back on these people with the disdain and shame they've earned. This is sick shit and anyone still supporting their party as vileness like this is allowed should expect to share in the sentiment of being reviled as inhuman

Kernel · May 21, 2018

"Don't mind these recent school shootings, MS-13 and immigrants are the real danger."

Greg NYC3 · May 21, 2018

GodofWine said:
I've never heard of MS13 until Trump..and I've never heard anyone say MS13 besides him or his administration.

And most people haven't and will never run across them. They're not great people but I don't see why they're attracting so much attention from Trump other than the fact that he can use them to demonize an entire culture.

And this is also just the latest example of what happens when you have someone with a narcissism disorder and an inability to admit error in the highest office in the land. Most people gave up and moved on from his latest racist outburst but he still forced his staff to prepare this to prove that he didn't make a mistake. I feel sorry for those who are working there and not true believers in his garbage.

AtomLung · May 21, 2018

I don't have much beef referring to them as animals in a vacuum, but this is a pretty pathetic move.

zer0blivion · May 21, 2018

Disgusting.

Flo_Evans · May 21, 2018

Kernel said:
"Don't mind these recent school shootings, MS-13 and immigrants are the real danger."

Yeah this is pretty much FUD to keep guns freely available.

"but what if I have to defend myself from violent gangs?"

Vas · May 21, 2018

This is like when he said "bigly" and then acted like he says "Big League" all the time.

TheGhost · May 21, 2018

NinjaScooter said:
It's a bullshit dogwhistle and fear mongering tactic they've been using to get racist white people scared of a threat they will likely never encounter in order to justify their blatantly bigoted immigration policies.

Been reading about them and their crimes for over ten years in the local paper and the news. Easy to dismiss it when you don't have to hear about it. It's very comforting to know the park I drive past on the way to work everyday had chopped up bodies or little girls bodies are found just dropped with-in proximity of the school.

I will never shed a tear for anything that happens to MS-13.

The communities MS-13 terrorizes don't want them here either. (not white communities, El Salvadorian communities)

Miggytronz · May 21, 2018

GodofWine said:
I've never heard of MS13 until Trump..and I've never heard anyone say MS13 besides him or his administration.

MS-13 have been around for years before Trump administration. Where you been at?!

GodofWine · May 21, 2018

Mikasangelos said:
MS-13 have been around for years before Trump administration. Where you been at?!

I dont doubt that, but they haven't been a national talking point...I assume they are a semi-regional threat, mostly to other gangs.

Mammoth Jones · May 21, 2018

ElectricBlanketFire · May 21, 2018

Mikasangelos said:
MS-13 have been around for years before Trump administration. Where you been at?!

I truthfully hadn't either prior to Trump and I watch and read a ton of news.

Cochese · May 21, 2018

GodofWine said:
I've never heard of MS13 until Trump..and I've never heard anyone say MS13 besides him or his administration.

MS13 been the white boogeyman since at least the Clinton days.

ItsBobbyDarin · May 21, 2018

MS13 are animals.

A Fish Aficionado · May 21, 2018

TheGhost said:
Been reading about them and their crimes for over ten years in the local paper and the news. Easy to dismiss it when you don't have to hear about it. It's very comforting to know the park I drive past on the way to work everyday had chopped up bodies or little girls bodies are found just dropped with-in proximity of the school.

I will never shed a tear for anything that happens to MS-13.

The communities MS-13 terrorizes don't want them here either. (not white communities, El Salvadorian communities)

Because the context is immigration and the refugees that come to the US seeking asylum from gang violence in Central America. The GOP was literally fighting Obama on children, I mean fucking children! As being accepted as Refugee status.

No one is asking to treat them any less than violent sociopaths that they are. And, if you are Latino in the US, you do get reports via Univision and other Latino based news organizations.

Deleted member 29806 · May 21, 2018

I can't believe this is on the website of the US governement...when will it be renamed to Website für Volksaufklärung und Propaganda?

DarthWoo · May 21, 2018

To be fair, do many animals even really senselessly mutilate other animals? Certainly it looks rather gory when something is eating something else, but that serves a purpose in that they can't really consume in any other way. The only animals I can think of that would do similar acts are those animals we think of as cute but which are secretly violent behind our backs, like our kitties and maybe dolphins.

This kind of behavior seems more of an entirely human construct.

Miggytronz · May 21, 2018

GodofWine said:
I dont doubt that, but they haven't been a national talking point...I assume they are a semi-regional threat, mostly to other gangs.

ElectricBlanketFire said:
I truthfully hadn't either prior to Trump and I watch and read a ton of news.

They're spread all over the US. They've been here for more than 10yrs terrorizing communitities for fun or to send messages. The way they do their crimes it is extremely graphic. They are not the type of crowd you want in your community.

Nokterian · May 21, 2018

Kraid · May 21, 2018

ItsBobbyDarin said:
MS13 are animals.

No, they are not. Trump is one of the worst humans in history and I would not call him an animal.

And this is of fundamental importance if you care at all about human rights.

UltimateHigh · May 21, 2018

Willie Horton tactics. Creating boogeymen to rile up the pathetic racists.

Alimnassor · May 21, 2018

ItsBobbyDarin said:
MS13 are animals.

No they are not. They are human. Trump has never called any white gang "violent animals", the media has never done so either. Always minority gangs are animals. Either way i find it disgusting and disturbing to call humans animals. These people never had a chance at a good life.

Hagi · May 21, 2018

Animals, animals, animals and animals. This is really strange to read especially on a government website. It's not like you can't show how fucking horrific MS-13 are without delivng into facbook post territory.

Deepwater · May 21, 2018

TheGhost said:
Been reading about them and their crimes for over ten years in the local paper and the news. Easy to dismiss it when you don't have to hear about it. It's very comforting to know the park I drive past on the way to work everyday had chopped up bodies or little girls bodies are found just dropped with-in proximity of the school.

I will never shed a tear for anything that happens to MS-13.

The communities MS-13 terrorizes don't want them here either. (not white communities, El Salvadorian communities)

ItsBobbyDarin said:
MS13 are animals.

spoiler alert: when Trump says "MS-13" he really means "latino and hispanic people, usually immigrants"

Nobody here is downplaying the atrocities of various MS13 cells across the country/globe. But it's foolish and dangerous to turn a blind eye when we know for a fact that the people using the "animal" rhetoric are using it as a dog whistle for hispanic people, law abiding or not. Especially when we know that all law enforcement has to do is claim you're MS13 in order to detain and deport you.

Deleted member 6223 · May 21, 2018

I will never downplay the danger MS-13 pose, but remember this story, and how dangerous this "animal" rhetoric is when ICE profiled a Dreamer and lied about him being a gang member:

They will use the words coming from the top to violate a person's rights.

Beartruck · May 21, 2018

Commedieu said:
I don't even know what to say to this. The women and children at the border weren't Animals, or MS13..

Pathetic attempt at damage control.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

ItsBobbyDarin · May 21, 2018

Kraid said:
No, they are not. Trump is one of the worst humans in history and I would not call him an animal.

And this is of fundamental importance if you care at all about human rights.

Why don't you go down to a gang of MS13 members and show them the United Nations declaration of human rights? I would bet they don't care. Especially since they are involved in child prostitution and human trafficking, which is exactly the same thing as Daesh does to fund their "operations".

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