Even shotguns are pushing it at this point. Civilians don't need high caliber weapons. Hunting culture is not worth it.
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A Moderate Democrat Confesses His Sins
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I'm mostly referring to the standard 12 gauge. Something like a SPAS-12 strikes me as excessive.
Do I equate anti-immigration and anti-muslim sentiments from Trump supporters with racism? You betcha, particularly when those are among the primary reasons for fervently supporting that man? Stop with this naive nonsense.
Again, ask Kirblar for links to studies, because he's the one usually posting them.
It's kind of unbelievable you think a myriad of -isms and -obias aren't a major component for Trump's rise to presidency. I mean, what reality did you even live through?
The "purity test" is real, and ostracizing someone or berating them because they don't fit your EXACT world view is nothing but counter productive to your own movement. The Left will never win elections as long as they treat someone who associates with the "centre left" the same as a toothless redneck moron who has never not voted Republican in his/her life as if they're the same thing.
"Moderate Democrat" seems to be referring to a different thing than someone putting themselves (or getting placed) center-left on a simplified left/right spectrum, which is what the term would have meant prior to the 2016 Primaries.
Immigration concerns, in the country built by immigration, are absolutely steeped in racism especially from Trump. The Fuck?
What are your moderate views?
Amen. Rest in Power.
In every Democratic city, minorities are still getting the shit end of the stick after voting overwhelmingly Dem for decades. We are still an afterthought for them.
Most people don't behave as obnoxiously as some of era does on the topic thankfully. Happy to live in a somewhat moderate state myself.
Still pushing it. Why does a civilian need this?
They don't and if you're gonna own one, it should be as regulated as possible. They also don't need handguns, which (i believe) account for a the most amount of deaths/accidents, and they SURE AS FUCK don't need to be carrying this shit around in public, like it's some normal, rational thing.
The so-called "wild west" even had more sense then that.
I'm authoritarian as fuck and you will regularly see me say to ban all guns and even cars. If I was in control like a God of this country it wouldn't be a question of what rights you're given but which are taken away and I'm still for equality so explain to me how I'm actually more like an anarchist
I think moderates can be *wrong*, but they are not *pure fucking evil*, and I'd rather be mad at the pure fucking evil people, and steer my disagreements away from people who are still voting the good vote. Purity tests are indeed bullshit.
Nothing I'm sure hasn't been said in this thread already. Just chiming in.
Nothing I'm sure hasn't been said in this thread already. Just chiming in.
I agree but you're arguing over a different issue, alienating yourself from the conversation and inflamming the thread.
Enough with this strawman.
Moderate democrats consider minorites as people. Some moderate democrats are minorities themselves. Advocating for dialogue in political issues is not the same as dehumanizing minorities.
when i think of "moderate democrat" i think about the kind of person who yells and screams about how they're not going to vote in 2020 just to stick it to these extremists on the left
It is entirely possible to be economically moderate but very liberal on social issues. The problem is usually the left associates "economically moderate" with "Oh so you want to starve minorities of welfare and healthcare", when that is at best intellectually dishonest.
Brah Obama was basically a moderate.
You act like the left has ever run the US
Shotguns shells by their nature have highly modular ordinance so I think it's ok. Want to shoot to hurt but not kill? Shotguns can do that depending on what you fill the slug with.Still pushing it. Why does a civilian need this?
Moderate Dem accomplishments that immediately come to mind:
- 90s criminal justice and welfare reform.
- Obama admin's illegal immigration crackdown.
- cutting back the stimulus for a "balanced budget."
- the Bush administration pardons.
- nominating a Conservative for the Supreme Court.
- upholding the blue slip rule out of principal.
At least Democrats got something out of taking up these positions and it didn't just needlessly weaken the party's ability to pass actual moderate legislature. I wish we could get more bipartisan above it all moderates to help out in the future.
- 90s criminal justice and welfare reform.
- Obama admin's illegal immigration crackdown.
- cutting back the stimulus for a "balanced budget."
- the Bush administration pardons.
- nominating a Conservative for the Supreme Court.
- upholding the blue slip rule out of principal.
At least Democrats got something out of taking up these positions and it didn't just needlessly weaken the party's ability to pass actual moderate legislature. I wish we could get more bipartisan above it all moderates to help out in the future.
Still pushing it. Why does a civilian need this?
You are kind of proving the point made in the initial video.
And that's coming from someone who wants to outlaw all guns.
I kind of hate the term "minorities" and "people of color" because they group all non-whites in a category that ignores the very specific and historic inequity that black descendants of African slaves have endured and still suffer from. Many "moderate democrats" are not sensitive to issues that critically relevant to black people. This has nothing to do with "minorities," in my mind, and everything to do with what MLK said about the moderate and his feet dragging on black civil rights.
When racism, coded or otherwise, is considered a political opinion, than dialogue absolutely can be seen as dehumanizing as fuck.
My safety & human rights are not a political barganing chip.
I agree.
What are you economically moderate about?
The difference between Obama and the public is that he quietly literally was forced to compromise on issues in order to get policies passed while dealing with so much BS like the birther movement.
Right, which isn't what the term meant to the vast majority of people until recently.
It's not a term to describe a person's political views so much as a term to ridicule a hypothetical person to whom you can attach various political, moral, etc. failings.
Stated differently, there's U.S. Senator Joe Manchin, a moderate Democrat, and then there's a Moderate Democrat™, a different creature entirely.
At this juncture I could not care less about the video.
While "moderate Democrat" has numerous meanings (more than one of them valid), this is what it frequently means in practice.
Expand welfare and tax the rich harder, that much is obvious, but even as a Bernie Sanders supporter, checks and balances must be in the conversation as well, and that means even Sanders brand of Socialism needs to be reigned in somewhat. I absolutely agree with him on universal healthcare, but his talk of completely free college for everyone is over the top. Services like that cost a lot of money, and money doesn't grow on trees.
Also fuck idiots who want to bleat on about national debt as if it's the be all end all at the same time as giving tax cuts on private jets.
America has always been racist. It was racist from its birth and it'll continue being racist for the foreseeable future.
Malcolm X:"Uncle Sam's hands are dripping with blood, dripping with the blood of the black man in this country. He's the earth's number-one hypocrite. He has the audacity -- yes, he has -- imagine him posing as the leader of the free world. The free world! And you over here singing "We Shall Overcome." Expand the civil-rights struggle to the level of human rights. Take it into the United Nations, where our African brothers can throw their weight on our side, where our Asian brothers can throw their weight on our side, where our Latin-American brothers can throw their weight on our side, and where 800 million Chinamen are sitting there waiting to throw their weight on our side.
Let the world know how bloody his hands are. Let the world know the hypocrisy that's practiced over here. "
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"Don't change the white man's mind—you can't change his mind, and that whole thing about appealing to the moral conscience of America—America's conscience is bankrupt. She lost all conscience a long time ago. Uncle Sam has no conscience. They don't know what morals are. They don't try and eliminate an evil because it's evil, or because it's illegal, or because it's immoral; they eliminate it only when it threatens their existence. So you're wasting your time appealing to the moral conscience of a bankrupt man like Uncle Sam. If he had a conscience, he'd straighten this thing out with no more pressure being put upon him. So it is not necessary to change the white man's mind."
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This is the most Era of Era threads.
This doesn't sound economically moderate, just economically liberal.
The problem with the far left (and frankly some of the "left) and the far right, is that both groups are incredibly ignorant on actual policy, nuance, cause-and-effect, and other considerations when drafting legislation for grandiose pie-in-the-sky ideas.
If you want to fight us on politics I won't necessarily like it, but knock yourself out if it keeps the right out of power and keeps politicians feet to the fire, but when it comes to policy motherfucker sit your ass down, and let the actual adults do the negotiating, planning, implementation, along with talking to people at the Congressional Budget office.
If you want to fight us on politics I won't necessarily like it, but knock yourself out if it keeps the right out of power and keeps politicians feet to the fire, but when it comes to policy motherfucker sit your ass down, and let the actual adults do the negotiating, planning, implementation, along with talking to people at the Congressional Budget office.
Sanders doesn't have a brand of socialism because he isn't a socialists.
Expanding welfare and taxing the rich does not seem moderate. Being against free college is though. Diverting money away from the military and to free college would offset a lot of the cost in addition to taxes.
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Are you trolling me? I have a feeling no matter how much I define it you will still say I am not answering the question. Done with you.
So imagine instead of just naming the bill by its number, I said "GOP Senator from Idaho wants to roll back Clinton-Era banking regulations!!!"
Still the same content. Completely different reception, especially on here.
Also, and this is just one humble opinion, but it does help a certain segment of people above all others— it benefits those who believe the smaller, community institutions will do a better job at serving the community than a megabank with offices thousands of miles away.
just FYI Pistols are the weapon of choice in far more shooting deaths than all other types of firearms combined in the US. So they really ought to be at the top of the list to go.
A regular shotgun isn't a high caliber weapon.
In terms of actual harm reduction with firearms, banning semiautomatic pistols and rifles would have a far greater impact than banning shotguns.
Yeah moderate liberals sound decent if you aren't a minority in some way. Anyone who wants to be a moderate in the face of sustained anti-LGBTQ, anti-abortion, anti-ethnic minorities, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and anti-poor from the right, can seriously fuck off.
I can understand a moderate in an economic sense. We are going to disagree on certain things, but that's someone I can negotiate and compromise with. A moderate in the face of the sort of social issues facing parts of the western world, is a person who wants to appease both sides and play it safe. A moderate Democrat/Liberal is to me someone who kinda sorta doesn't like what the Right is doing, but understands that there's no skin off of their backs if they get to implement what they want. I can't support that.
I can understand a moderate in an economic sense. We are going to disagree on certain things, but that's someone I can negotiate and compromise with. A moderate in the face of the sort of social issues facing parts of the western world, is a person who wants to appease both sides and play it safe. A moderate Democrat/Liberal is to me someone who kinda sorta doesn't like what the Right is doing, but understands that there's no skin off of their backs if they get to implement what they want. I can't support that.
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This. Screw up the actual policy and you leave loop holes open for those who come to power after the blowback to undo as much as they can.
I guess I don't understand why being a conservative makes him moderate.
I am probably further to the left than most people on this site, having spent years involved in the Anti-globalization protests in the late 90's and early 21st century and then protesting against the War in Iraq and other causes. I was in support of Bernie's policies back in the 90's, before most even knew he existed.
I supported Bernie for the presidential nod for the Democratic party and was dissapointed when he lost, but nontheless I still voted for Clinton. I knew a Trump adminstration would be destructive for everything I believe in. Bernie supporters are not the reason Clinton lost, as most of them did in fact vote for Clinton.
I supported Bernie for the presidential nod for the Democratic party and was dissapointed when he lost, but nontheless I still voted for Clinton. I knew a Trump adminstration would be destructive for everything I believe in. Bernie supporters are not the reason Clinton lost, as most of them did in fact vote for Clinton.
There are many issues to be moderate about, so strawmaning the inclusion of minorities seems disingenious.
One example of this could be not believing that the privatization of public services is necesairly a bad thing.
One example of this could be not believing that the privatization of public services is necesairly a bad thing.
Nah. All i see 'moderates' doing is tone policing, making excuses and generally just standing in the way of progress.
And what 'dialogue in political issues' are we talking about here? That both sides merit the same attention? That CNN and Fox are the same thing? That Trump supporters are just economically anxious and fiscally conservative? That the alt-right is not really a bunch of fucking white supremacists and that we need to debate with them? That white people should be able to just say the n-word willy nilly and expect no criticism? That the left is truly the reason why so many people voted for a bigoted, sexist, stealing piece of shit because they're meanies? That the left is a bunch of snowflakes dealing in identity politics when in fact the entire fucking reason why the alt-right is even a thing is because of male, white, christian fragility on the right?
Because these are the 'crimes of the moderate', as the video puts it. Seems to me that you're the one not interested in discussing the topic at hand.
I don't care what 'team' people assign to themselves. Their actions and words speak louder. And fence-sitting ain't gonna cut it any more.
When it comes to college education, I think my own country has the right idea. In Australia, College is accessible to pretty much everyone. The government subsidizes your education up front, and then puts a hold on the "loan" until you have a job in the field that you studied for, then you pay it back gradually. The banks are not involved at all.